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Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - WoodlandsOwl - 07-12-2007 04:03 AM
Now check this out... doesn't it seem someone in DHS is in a "CYA mode" just in case something bad happens???
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.
The conclusion suggests that the group that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to rebuild despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.
Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document pays special heed to the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.
They seem to be fairly well settled into the safe haven and the ungoverned spaces of Pakistan,"[u] Kringen testified. "We see more training. We see more money. We see more communications. We see that activity rising."
OK.. let me beat everyone to it., because I see it coming...
"Pakistan is Cambodia spelled in Pashto."
What's the quickest: Re-activiating the 7th Infantry (Light) or training some National Guard Brigades?? Because I have a feeling we are going into the Tribal Areas..and I be damned what we are going to use to do it...
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-12-2007 07:27 AM
WMD Owl Wrote:What's the quickest: Re-activiating the 7th Infantry (Light) or training some National Guard Brigades?? Because I have a feeling we are going into the Tribal Areas..and I be damned what we are going to use to do it...[/b]
Training and arming some national guard brigades. The deactivation of the 7th doesn't mean there's a division-level number of people from that unit on standby. The 10th, along, with an SF contingent and elements of the 160th, should be the ones to handle this situation.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - WoodlandsOwl - 07-12-2007 04:34 PM
RebelKev Wrote:WMD Owl Wrote:What's the quickest: Re-activiating the 7th Infantry (Light) or training some National Guard Brigades?? Because I have a feeling we are going into the Tribal Areas..and I be damned what we are going to use to do it...[/b]
Training and arming some national guard brigades. The deactivation of the 7th doesn't mean there's a division-level number of people from that unit on standby. The 10th, along, with an SF contingent and elements of the 160th, should be the ones to handle this situation.
Is it time to use that "R word" and Recall some NCO's in critical MOS?
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-12-2007 09:14 PM
WMD Owl Wrote:Is it time to use that "R word" and Recall some NCO's in critical MOS?
25B. I'm ready to go.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - EastStang - 07-13-2007 09:40 AM
Maybe a few cruise missles could miss Afghanistan and land in those remote areas of Pakistan. Ooops, gyro malfunctioned, we missed, sorry. Oh did it land on Osama bin Laden's head? War's hell.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - blazr - 07-13-2007 09:50 AM
EastStang Wrote:Maybe a few cruise missles could miss Afghanistan and land in those remote areas of Pakistan. Ooops, gyro malfunctioned, we missed, sorry. Oh did it land on Osama bin Laden's head? War's hell.
Unless a MOAB triggered an earthquake 9.0 on the Richter scale that flattened the entire region, mountains and all, then it wouldn't do any good. If you remember, Clinton tried this strategy...we see how successful that was.
Oh wait, the goal of those cruise missile strikes wasn't to eliminate terrorist camps but to distract from "issues" at home. In that case they succeeded, but AQ obviously wasn't affected one bit...
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Sophandros - 07-13-2007 10:46 AM
I thought that we should have done the job in Afghanistan and followed it up with hunting down Osama in Pakistan. Iraq should not have been a target for us. Oh, well.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - CD11 - 07-13-2007 11:27 AM
EastStang Wrote:Maybe a few cruise missles could miss Afghanistan and land in those remote areas of Pakistan. Ooops, gyro malfunctioned, we missed, sorry. Oh did it land on Osama bin Laden's head? War's hell.
Sorta off-topic for a second........I'm starting to wonder if bin Laden might actually be dead already. Granted I probably don't follow it nearly as closely as a lot of you guys do, but it seems like we haven't gotten any videos or tapes with him in them lately. All the tapes and things have had his deputies or others in them. And wasn't he supposed to have some kind of fatal kidney cancer or disease? He's just been quiet for so long, I can't help but wonder if the guy croked.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-13-2007 12:47 PM
Sophandros Wrote:I thought that we should have done the job in Afghanistan and followed it up with hunting down Osama in Pakistan. Iraq should not have been a target for us. Oh, well.
We're still doing that in Afghanistan. The region of Pakistan he's, more than likely, in is essentially lawless. Correction, there is law, Shar'ia. It would be totally different than Iraq. Al Qaeda would fight us because we are Americans, and Pakistan would fight us because we invaded their sovereign nation. The only way victory could be achieved is all out war with Pakistan. No nation building, no peace-keeping, and no diplomacy. We would have to carpet bomb the hell out of'em and mop up later. Not to mention it's a nuclear power.
This is also going to be the mission for decades to come. There will be no peace until we eradicate all of Al Qaeda, and their supporting organizations. If this means we'll create more, so be it. Eventually they'll get the point or they'll be extinct. It's the only option. We just want to live, they want us to live, under their rule. You decide which one better suits you.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Sophandros - 07-13-2007 01:00 PM
RebelKev Wrote:Sophandros Wrote:I thought that we should have done the job in Afghanistan and followed it up with hunting down Osama in Pakistan. Iraq should not have been a target for us. Oh, well.
We're still doing that in Afghanistan. The region of Pakistan he's, more than likely, in is essentially lawless. Correction, there is law, Shar'ia. It would be totally different than Iraq. Al Qaeda would fight us because we are Americans, and Pakistan would fight us because we invaded their sovereign nation. The only way victory could be achieved is all out war with Pakistan. No nation building, no peace-keeping, and no diplomacy. We would have to carpet bomb the hell out of'em and mop up later. Not to mention it's a nuclear power.
This is also going to be the mission for decades to come. There will be no peace until we eradicate all of Al Qaeda, and their supporting organizations. If this means we'll create more, so be it. Eventually they'll get the point or they'll be extinct. It's the only option. We just want to live, they want us to live, under their rule. You decide which one better suits you.
That's the thing. I think that the "nation building" thing in Iraq is another of a long stream of problems with the policy regarding that country.
And I posted this long, long ago. If we ever want to end the so-called war on terror by military means, we're going to have to become extremely unpopular both at home and throughout the world, which would probably lead to another world war.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-13-2007 02:06 PM
Sophandros Wrote:That's the thing. I think that the "nation building" thing in Iraq is another of a long stream of problems with the policy regarding that country.
And I posted this long, long ago. If we ever want to end the so-called war on terror by military means, we're going to have to become extremely unpopular both at home and throughout the world, which would probably lead to another world war.
True, but I contend that we are creating an entire group of Muslims in the ME that is essentially grateful to the United States for what it has done for them. The press just doesn't show it. If we leave Iraq, and let Al Qaeda take over, we will have NO allies in the ME. No one will trust us and no one will fear us. Now, what I believe would happen is the entire ME would implode. The Sunnis and Shi'ites, on both sides of the Persian Gulf, would go to war. The Sunnis and Shi'ites I referred to earlier as being grateful to us would side with their own people and set aside their political differences for the sake of survival. I also contend that you have not seen bloodshed like that which would take place, nor have I. This operation wasn't just about kicking Sadaam's ass. It was about securing the ME and moving them towards the, dare I say, 21st century....because the people are still stuck in 600AD. Yes, in this case we need to be very liberal with the situation, but don't get too hung up on the term. Liberalism to that society is no where near liberalism in this country. Using the strict literary definition, it is change, and it's something of which they're in desperate need.
So, we can either ignore it and hope it doesn't amount to anything, which would be foolish, or let is escalate and grow to the point that instead of the decades I contend it would take to handle, it would take 1000 years. Islam isn't exactly growing at a snail's pace, if you know what I mean. Again, 1.81 billion Muslims in the world. If only 10% are radical, that's 181 million people and none of us can take the chance that the other 90% are peaceful and abhor the actions of the other 10%.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - uhmump95 - 07-13-2007 02:08 PM
When did Pakistan become nuclear?
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-13-2007 02:15 PM
By the way, it doesn't disturb you that, out of ALL major religions on the face of the planet, there's only one that is engaged in hostilities with all others? Jews aren't fighting Christians. Christians are fighting Hindi. Hindus aren't fighting Buddhists. Muslims are fighting them ALL. All over the globe, on just about every continent, there are Muslims killing other religions.
...and here in this country, the folks at Democrat Underground only hate one religion, Christianity. Funny. It also shows some sort of mental disconnect.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-13-2007 02:15 PM
uhmump95 Wrote:When did Pakistan become nuclear?
Years ago. India's nuclear as well. Didn't know that either?
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - GGniner - 07-13-2007 02:42 PM
uhmump95 Wrote:When did Pakistan become nuclear?
we'd probably have Osama if they weren't, the fear/risk has been since he got into the Al-qaeda friendly tribal area of Pakistan that if we did what we had to do to go in and get him it would likely be the final straw to cause a revolution and take over the govt. by the radicals there. Then Pakistan which is Nuclear falls into the hands of Radicals like what run Iran.
this appeasement strategy appears to have failed and hopefully they are making their move now? it was an understandable strategy, Bush's approval ratings aren't as important as keeping nukes out of the hands of terrorist.
Quote:...and here in this country, the folks at Democrat Underground only hate one religion, Christianity. Funny. It also shows some sort of mental disconnect.
the entire worldview of the left is built upon a logical fallacy, especially with moral relativism. dealing with that explains their insanity.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - NIU007 - 07-13-2007 11:13 PM
I won't be around for a week to respond on this thread but anyway.....
What makes you think Democrats hate Christians? That's a pretty blanket statement that kind of destroys credibility. I tend to vote Democratic, but I grew up Christian. Can't argue that it seems like its always Muslims that are fighting someone. Christians in Africa (various countries). Jews in Middle East. Hindus in India. That's partly why I consider it to not be the "Iraq war" but simply one battle in the war against terrorism. Which is why I think pulling out is not really losing the war. We went there to get rid of Hussein and we did that.
I'm not sure Al Qaeda would really be able to "take over" in Iraq. They're still very much outnumbered by the Shia. Plus they're doing us a favor by being so radical and violent that even some other tribal Sunnis have turned against them. Let's hope that continues. And Iran, like it or not, will have a major say in what happens in Iraq. As soon as the US pulls out, the various factions will be fighting each other instead of us. I'm not sure how to take a religion like Islam and bring it into the 20th, never mind 21st century.
It might just be the large-scale bloodshed in the middle east that RebelKev refers to that would be required for the people in the Middle East to finally say enough is enough.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-13-2007 11:35 PM
NIU007 Wrote:I won't be around for a week to respond on this thread but anyway.....
What makes you think Democrats hate Christians?
I didn't say all Democrats, homeslice. I said the ones that participate at Democrat Underground. Read it sometime. I know you, you wouldn't fit in and would probably be banned. Wanna try it? I've already won a bet from a Dem who's an AD Navy member at my site. There are only two here that would be accepted with open arms, The Other Greg Childers and RobertN.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - WoodlandsOwl - 07-14-2007 01:28 PM
Since the area where AQ is reforming is in the Semi-Autonomous “zones”… does the Pakistani government really “govern” them?
There is a deal in which the Pak Army stays out of the region Therefore, doesn’t this make it outside the regulation of the Pak Central Government?
If the Paki Army stays out, isn’t the area outside their jurisdiction, meaning we could conduct air strikes and special operations without any retaliation from Islamabad??
If they complain, simply remind them that if they did something about it.. the US wouldn't have to...
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - Rebel - 07-15-2007 12:01 AM
WMD Owl Wrote:Since the area where AQ is reforming is in the Semi-Autonomous “zones”… does the Pakistani government really “govern” them?
There is a deal in which the Pak Army stays out of the region Therefore, doesn’t this make it outside the regulation of the Pak Central Government?
If the Paki Army stays out, isn’t the area outside their jurisdiction, meaning we could conduct air strikes and special operations without any retaliation from Islamabad??
If they complain, simply remind them that if they did something about it.. the US wouldn't have to...
That region of Pakistan isn't ran by Pakistan. It's an unspoken truce. However, it's going to be either us or them that stops the ****. It IS a haven for Al Qaeda and don't think we aren't assaulting complexes near the border. It's a tricky situation. We're dealing with a country that's a nuclear(UHMump) power and we damn sure don't need those raining down on our troops. I know too many there.
RE: Next stop in War on Terror- Tribal areas of NW Pakistan - WoodlandsOwl - 07-15-2007 12:16 AM
RebelKev Wrote:It's a tricky situation. We're dealing with a country that's a nuclear(UHMump) power and we damn sure don't need those raining down on our troops. I know too many there.
"According to some reports, Pakistan's nuclear weapons in an unassembled state, with the fissile core kept separate from the bomb assembly. The bomb components and the wider infrastructure are under military control.
An estimate published in late 2001 suggested that Pakistan might have accumulated between 40 and 45 nuclear weapons by 2000, primarily using highly enriched uranium (HEU), but with small additions beginning in 1999 of plutonium from Khushab. These figures suggested that Pakistan could have been adding nuclear weapons from uranium and plutonium, respectively, at the rate of about 5.5 and 1.5 annually."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/pakistan/nuke-stockpile.htm
Not good... But I don't think they be crazy enough to go nuclear..But with those people, they defy logic.
Maybe Mr. MOAB can make an encore appearance...