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Our govt. provides Iran with Nuke know how. - Machiavelli - 11-03-2006 12:11 PM
U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer.
New York Times Story. Here's the basics.
Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to "leverage the Internet" to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.
But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.
Now can we stop talking about Kerry's comments and get to the real news.
- Ninerfan1 - 11-03-2006 12:39 PM
Dogger your headlines kill me. To read it you'd think Bush hand delivered nuke documents with a ribbon around them to Iran. There's exactly zero evidence Iran even ever saw them. The NY Times just makes that jump on their own.
That being said I want to see more of the story come out before I make a judgement.
Re: Our govt. provides Iran with Nuke know how. - OptimisticOwl - 11-03-2006 12:45 PM
Machiavelli Wrote:U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer.
The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.
My understanding is that all the information needed to build an atomic bomb is on the net, and your basic sixteen year old geek could build one with easily available amterials IF he had the nuclear material.
So who is making this nuclear material? North Korea, Iran ... not those HS geeks.
I am willing to believe Kerry's comments were a botched joke. But even they were , I think they show two things.
1. If he can't handle that little task, i am glad he isn't talking to the NKoreans or other enemies of our state. Botching is not good.
2. i think it does show his attitude that if people had better options, they wouldn't possibly opt for military service. I don't think the words are what he planned to say, but the attitude is straight from the heart.
Re: Our govt. provides Iran with Nuke know how. - Rebel - 11-03-2006 12:47 PM
Machiavelli Wrote:U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer.
New York Times Story. Here's the basics.
Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to "leverage the Internet" to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.
But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.
Now can we stop talking about Kerry's comments and get to the real news.
This can't be true. Saddam posed no threat to us nor did he have WMD's nor was he working to build WMD's. /sarcasm
You can't have it both ways Dogger. If you'd read INTO this, you'd see that it absolutely backs up the Bush Admin claims. You guys on the left ***** about openess, yet use it to further your own agenda.
Well, it backfired.
Re: Our govt. provides Iran with Nuke know how. - Ninerfan1 - 11-03-2006 12:48 PM
OptimisticOwl Wrote:My understanding is that all the information needed to build an atomic bomb is on the net, and your basic sixteen year old geek could build one with easily available amterials IF he had the nuclear material.
This is very much true. It's not hard to build a nuke per say, it's getting the materials to do it, specifically the radioactive material.
Iran has been importing scientists and technology from Russia for years. Trust me they don't need those web documents to advance their plans.
- Machiavelli - 11-03-2006 12:55 PM
Quote:Dogger your headlines kill me. To read it you'd think Bush hand delivered nuke documents with a ribbon around them to Iran. There's exactly zero evidence Iran even ever saw them. The NY Times just makes that jump on their own.
Sometimes I use headline to generate a response. Other times I should be more careful. This time I I tried to generate a response, but I do see I need to be less sensational if I want others to take some of the things I say more seriously. I'll work on it.
- Ninerfan1 - 11-03-2006 01:01 PM
Quote:Sometimes I use headline to generate a response.
Since when have you ever had a problem generating a response? ;-) lmfao
Re: Our govt. provides Iran with Nuke know how. - DrTorch - 11-03-2006 01:59 PM
Ninerfan1 Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:My understanding is that all the information needed to build an atomic bomb is on the net, and your basic sixteen year old geek could build one with easily available amterials IF he had the nuclear material.
This is very much true. It's not hard to build a nuke per say, it's getting the materials to do it, specifically the radioactive material.
I think you guys do a disservice to the Manhattan project and others in this field.
There is alot of craftmanship that needs to be put into the most basic A-bomb. Even if the "know how" literature was posted, it would still take time, resources and skills (electronics, machining, mechanics/mechanical enigneering) to do this.
Maybe I'm jealous of 16 genius year olds, but I don't think any could do it, even w/ the blueprints in front of them.
Could a state find the talent to get this done? Sure...but even that would take some time, trial&error, and components that are challenging to obtain. And obsolescence runs both ways, so you aren't going to find many COTS components that would be called out in such diagrams.
Obviously, those aren't compelling enough by themselves to say "were safe," but the 16 year old illustration grates on me.
Re: Our govt. provides Iran with Nuke know how. - Ninerfan1 - 11-03-2006 02:01 PM
DrTorch Wrote:Ninerfan1 Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:My understanding is that all the information needed to build an atomic bomb is on the net, and your basic sixteen year old geek could build one with easily available amterials IF he had the nuclear material.
This is very much true. It's not hard to build a nuke per say, it's getting the materials to do it, specifically the radioactive material.
I think you guys do a disservice to the Manhattan project and others in this field.
Note I said, per say. My comment isn't meant to say it's not hard, it's damn hard. But scientists and those trained in the field, given the materials, can construct one without much difficulty. We churned them out at a rate of 10's of thousands per decade.
- Machiavelli - 11-03-2006 02:47 PM
Quote:Dogger your headlines kill me. To read it you'd think Bush hand delivered nuke documents with a ribbon around them to Iran.
They probably gave a lifetime supply of Starbuck's with it too!! ;-)
- SouthGAEagle - 11-05-2006 02:13 PM
Wanna see translations of some of the documents?
A poster on FreeRepublic.com has been translating from Arabic to English. Here's a list of documents that demonstrate the threat Saddam was:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~jveritas/