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Your HOF vote on today's players and very recent retirees - flyingswoosh - 08-07-2006 04:22 PM
try to keep it to a simple yes or no.
clemens- yes
maddux- yes
glavine- yes
smoltz- yes
bonds- yes
bernie williams- no
thomas- yes
griffey- yes
mussina- no, but 20 wins this season might do it
rivera- yes
hoffman- yes
johnson- yes
rogers- no
thome- no, not yet
piazza- yes
chipper- no, but he's still only 34
edmonds- no
kent- yes, by the skin of his teeth
bagwell- yes
biggio- yes
McGwire- yes
pedro- yes
vizquel- yes
schilling- no, just barely misses
anybody else?
- GDawgs88 - 08-07-2006 04:30 PM
Clemens - Yes (lock)
Maddux - Yes (lock)
Glavine - Yes
Smoltz - Yes
Bonds - Yes
Bernie Williams - No
Big Hurt - Yes
Mussina - No
Rivera - Yes (lock)
Hoffman - Yes (lock)
Rogers - No
Thome - Yes
Piazza - Yes (lock)
Chipper - Yes
Edmonds - No
Kent - Um...very tough call, but I'll say no
Bagwell - Yes
Biggio - Yes
McGwire - No
Pedro - Yes (lock)
Vizquel - No, not even close
Schilling - Yes
- JFlight21 - 08-07-2006 04:34 PM
Vizquel in the HOF??? What has he done?
- GDawgs88 - 08-07-2006 04:36 PM
JFlight21 Wrote:Vizquel in the HOF??? What has he done?Other than win a bunch of Gold Gloves and being a great bunter, not enough to make it to Cooperstown.
I guess it depends on how much you value Gold Gloves. I just don't value them that much. I mean, I look at it if you've had a potential Hall of Fame career with the bat, but to me it can't stand alone as the reason you make it in.
- JFlight21 - 08-07-2006 04:38 PM
Clemens-yes
maddux-yes
glavine-yes
smoltz-yes
bonds-yes
bernie-hell no
big hurt- no, very close
mussina-yes
rivera-yes
hoffan-yes
rogers- not even close
thome- no, barely
piazza-yes
chipper-no
edmonds- no
kent- no
baggwell-yes
biggio-yes
mcgwire- no
pedro- yes
vizquel- are you serious??
schilling- yes
griffey- yes
manny ramirez- yes
- GDawgs88 - 08-07-2006 04:39 PM
Yes, ManRam's a lock.
- flyingswoosh - 08-07-2006 07:37 PM
i'm sorry, but you're crazy if you think vizquel won't get in. following your logic, ozzie smith, phil rizzuto and luis aparicio don't deserver to be in. IMO, defense is enormous, that's why Papi isn't my pick for MVP. 358 SB's, .276 average and the 2nd best fielding SS of all time. you'll feel like a fool when he gets inducted.
- flyingswoosh - 08-07-2006 07:40 PM
are you guys nuts? mcgwire had 583 HR's. how can you not put him into the hall, yet one of you includes thomas, who was a much worse fielder than big mac.
BTW, i forgot about Sosa. he's a definite yes.
- GDawgs88 - 08-07-2006 09:25 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm sorry, but you're crazy if you think vizquel won't get in. following your logic, ozzie smith, phil rizzuto and luis aparicio don't deserver to be in. IMO, defense is enormous, that's why Papi isn't my pick for MVP. 358 SB's, .276 average and the 2nd best fielding SS of all time. you'll feel like a fool when he gets inducted.I don't think Rizzuto should be in the Hall. Aparicio I'm not sure of either. Ozzie I could possibly make an exception for, since he was the greatest fielder to ever live and did steal 580 bags.
- GDawgs88 - 08-07-2006 09:27 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:are you guys nuts? mcgwire had 583 HR's. how can you not put him into the hall, yet one of you includes thomas, who was a much worse fielder than big mac.No way on God's green Earth the voters will put McGwire or Sosa in. They have the numbers, but just about every voter I've heard from says they wouldn't vote McGwire or Sosa in after what they said (or didn't say) at Congress.
BTW, i forgot about Sosa. he's a definite yes.
BTW, Big Hurt was a much better hitter than McGwire. Not even close.
- flyingswoosh - 08-07-2006 09:56 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:flyingswoosh Wrote:are you guys nuts? mcgwire had 583 HR's. how can you not put him into the hall, yet one of you includes thomas, who was a much worse fielder than big mac.No way on God's green Earth the voters will put McGwire or Sosa in. They have the numbers, but just about every voter I've heard from says they wouldn't vote McGwire or Sosa in after what they said (or didn't say) at Congress.
BTW, i forgot about Sosa. he's a definite yes.
BTW, Big Hurt was a much better hitter than McGwire. Not even close.
i didn't ask what the voters would do, i asked what you would do. this thread has nothing to do with the stupid media.
big hurt was a better hitter, but mcgwire was a better HR hitter and a better fielder. of course i don't see why that matters.
- GDawgs88 - 08-07-2006 11:02 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:i didn't ask what the voters would do, i asked what you would do. this thread has nothing to do with the stupid media.Guess I didn't read the thread title. Sorry.
- flyingswoosh - 08-08-2006 12:08 AM
GDawgs88 Wrote:flyingswoosh Wrote:i didn't ask what the voters would do, i asked what you would do. this thread has nothing to do with the stupid media.Guess I didn't read the thread title. Sorry.
no problem. that being said, are you gonna change any of your picks?
- Cajunman02 - 08-08-2006 08:45 AM
Kinda interesting that me and my roommate had a discussion about this very topic the other day. There are a lot of good players in the majors today that we both enjoy watching play, but I just don't think a lot of them are HOF worthy.
clemens- yes
maddux- yes
glavine- no
smoltz- no
bonds- yes (but i don't think he gets in on a 1st ballot)
bernie williams- no
thomas- no
griffey- yes
mussina- no
rivera- yes
hoffman- yes (when he passes lee smith, he'll be a lock)
johnson- yes
rogers- no
thome- no
piazza- no
chipper- no
edmonds- no
kent- no
bagwell- yes
biggio- yes
McGwire- yes (see bonds)
pedro- yes
vizquel- no
schilling- yes
- flyingswoosh - 08-08-2006 09:21 AM
again, this is your vote, not what you think the committee will do.
i'm not sure how you can say piazza won't get in. the guy is definitely the best hitting catcher ever.
BTW, at the old age of 39, omar vizquel is hitting .314, which is third in baseball amongst shortstops.
- TailgateTiger - 08-08-2006 10:49 AM
If Barry Bonds is not a first ballot Hall of Famer then the whole hall of fame is a JOKE and i wouldnt care about the rest
- jrhessey - 08-08-2006 04:54 PM
Think Ozzie Smith should be in the hall guys?
- GDawgs88 - 08-08-2006 05:57 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:no problem. that being said, are you gonna change any of your picks?Eh...I'd probably put McGwire in.
- GDawgs88 - 08-08-2006 06:00 PM
Cajunman02 Wrote:smoltz- noHow is Schilling a Hall of Famer but Smoltz isn't? Their numbers as starters are practically identical, but Smoltz was also one of the most dominant closers of all time. Schilling was/is a great big game pitcher, but Smoltz is arguably the best big game pitcher to ever live.
schilling- yes
- Cajunman02 - 08-08-2006 06:20 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:are you guys nuts? mcgwire had 583 HR's. how can you not put him into the hall, yet one of you includes thomas, who was a much worse fielder than big mac.
BTW, i forgot about Sosa. he's a definite yes.
First you ask for our opinion and we have given it to you. Now you say we are nuts and question our opinion. I have my opinion about who is worthy of being in the HOF. I have no reason to justify why. Some are HOF worthy, some aren't. Don't get me wrong, every guy you listed is a GREAT baseball player. But what makes the HOF so special is it takes those great players and takes the elite of the great players.