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- rickheel - 05-27-2003 04:52 AM

<a href='http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?vts=052720030250' target='_blank'>How long will it take Hamas to **** this up?</a>

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 06:54 AM

It depends what Sharon is willing to offer.

- rickheel - 05-27-2003 07:10 AM

He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 04:54 PM

rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.

- Rebel - 05-27-2003 05:05 PM

nate jonesacc Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.
Barak offered him MORE than he asked for and he turned him down. Why? They don't WANT peace. They want the destruction of the Israeli State.

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 05:33 PM

RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.
Barak offered him MORE than he asked for and he turned him down. Why? They don't WANT peace. They want the destruction of the Israeli State.
LOL... yeah, they do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

- Rebel - 05-27-2003 05:55 PM

nate jonesacc Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.
Barak offered him MORE than he asked for and he turned him down. Why? They don't WANT peace. They want the destruction of the Israeli State.
LOL... yeah, they do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Using any logic you choose shows that the Palestinians don't want an Israeli state. This is also the reason why the other Arab states are financing them. The ALSO don't want an Israeli state in the Middle-East. Hmm, and who was there first? Wasn't Islam created in 610 A.D.? Ask yourself this, "Why is Jordan supporting the Palestinians now when they kicked them out of their country?"

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 06:03 PM

RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.
Barak offered him MORE than he asked for and he turned him down. Why? They don't WANT peace. They want the destruction of the Israeli State.
LOL... yeah, they do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Using any logic you choose shows that the Palestinians don't want an Israeli state. This is also the reason why the other Arab states are financing them. The ALSO don't want an Israeli state in the Middle-East. Hmm, and who was there first? Wasn't Islam created in 610 A.D.? Ask yourself this, "Why is Jordan supporting the Palestinians now when they kicked them out of their country?"
Palestine is not a Muslim territory. If you knew anything about the situation, you would know that Palestineans, or Philestines, whichever name you prefer, have been on that land for thousands of years.

To think that Palestine has always been a Muslim territory just proves further your ignorance.

- just say no roy - 05-27-2003 06:12 PM

RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.
Barak offered him MORE than he asked for and he turned him down. Why? They don't WANT peace. They want the destruction of the Israeli State.
Exactly!!!!!

- just say no roy - 05-27-2003 06:16 PM

nate jonesacc Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:He is willing to give back quite a bit. He does not have to give back anything if he does not want to. He has taken the step. Let see what Arafat's fellas do.
If it's really as good as everyone thinks (which I highly doubt) then it will be accepted. However, I seriously doubt it's as good as you think.
Barak offered him MORE than he asked for and he turned him down. Why? They don't WANT peace. They want the destruction of the Israeli State.
LOL... yeah, they do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Using any logic you choose shows that the Palestinians don't want an Israeli state. This is also the reason why the other Arab states are financing them. The ALSO don't want an Israeli state in the Middle-East. Hmm, and who was there first? Wasn't Islam created in 610 A.D.? Ask yourself this, "Why is Jordan supporting the Palestinians now when they kicked them out of their country?"
Palestine is not a Muslim territory. If you knew anything about the situation, you would know that Palestineans, or Philestines, whichever name you prefer, have been on that land for thousands of years.

To think that Palestine has always been a Muslim territory just proves further your ignorance.
This conflict is fueled by the radical Muslim community.Their hatred towards Jews and their occupation of Israel will keep this conflict alive long after you and i are gone from this world little buddy.

- just say no roy - 05-27-2003 08:11 PM

Nate Jonsacc.I'm still waiting for your response sir.All picking aside make your case and lets talk about it.

You are avoiding my side of this argument because you are to emotional about you're cause and that is not what i would expect from you.

- Rebel - 05-27-2003 09:36 PM

nate jonesacc Wrote:Palestine is not a Muslim territory. If you knew anything about the situation, you would know that Palestineans, or Philestines, whichever name you prefer, have been on that land for thousands of years.

To think that Palestine has always been a Muslim territory just proves further your ignorance.
Damn, I know, I need to buy some Q-Tips. Thanks. I always thought they were screaming in the streets, "Allah Akbar", but I guess they were saying, "Jesus Loves Me". :rolleyes:

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 09:40 PM

Rebel... your ignorance grows even deeper. What is your point? Yes there are a lot of Muslim Palestinians. Palestine IS NOT an Islamic nationality, however. There are Christian, Buddhist and BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JEWISH Palestinians.

- Rebel - 05-27-2003 09:56 PM

nate jonesacc Wrote:There are Christian, Buddhist and BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JEWISH Palestinians.
One word....bull****. I have a question for you, since you think the Jews are the bad guys, who is it that walks into coffee shops loaded with explosives and detonates them? Oh right, we all know that would be the Jews.

...and by the way, I will invite you to rid the world of "people like me". I will give you my address or meet you. Matters not one bit to me. Your insipid rantings about how ignorant I am are becoming a bit annoying as I don't think you have the intelligence of a stack of roofing shingles. I will gladly match my B.S. in Biology, my 180+ College hours, my numerous Cisco Network, Bay Networks, Tadiran, Checkpoint Firewall, Microsoft, Nortel, Novell, Marconi, and Solaris Certifications, my 30 on the ACT, and my Private Pilot's license with you any day. Hell, I have a scanner, you wanna match'em up? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're ignorant you stupid ****.

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 10:00 PM

RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:There are Christian, Buddhist and BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JEWISH Palestinians.
One word....bull****. I have a question for you, since you think the Jews are the bad guys, who is it that walks into coffee shops loaded with explosives and detonates them? Oh right, we all know that would be the Jews.

...and by the way, I will invite you to rid the world of "people like me". I will give you my address or meet you. Matters not one bit to me. Your insipid rantings about how ignorant I am are becoming a bit annoying as I don't think you have the intelligence of a stack of roofing shingles. I will gladly match my B.S. in Biology, my 180+ College hours, my numerous Cisco Network, Bay Networks, Tadiran, Checkpoint Firewall, Microsoft, Nortel, Novell, Marconi, and Solaris Certifications, my 30 on the ACT, and my Private Pilot's license with you any day. Hell, I have a scanner, you wanna match'em up? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're ignorant you stupid ****.
Did I say that the Jews are the bad guys? HELL NO. Jews ARE NOT the enemy here. It is VERY important to realize that this IS NOT a Jew vs. Muslim conflict. This is an ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN conflict.

Ya know what? Good for you. You ARE ignorant in this discussion. Don't take things so personally. I didn't say you are an ignorant person in general, you just have no f'ing clue on this topic.

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 10:00 PM

BTW, mind scanning a picture of yourself?

- Rebel - 05-27-2003 10:01 PM

nate jonesacc Wrote:BTW, mind scanning a picture of yourself?
I'm not gay.

- Rebel - 05-27-2003 10:02 PM

....and I do have a clue on this topic as I have been researching this topic for years.

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 10:03 PM

RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:BTW, mind scanning a picture of yourself?
I'm not gay.
Neither am I... just curious to match name w/ face.

- nate jonesacc - 05-27-2003 10:04 PM

RebelKev Wrote:....and I do have a clue on this topic as I have been researching this topic for years.
Have you been to the West Bank or the Gaza Strip?

Researching is never objective. Seeing things with your own two eyes is always objective.