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- GDawgs88 - 07-28-2003 12:06 PM
The Reds have fired manager Bob Boone and G.M Jim Bowden.
The Reds are in 5th in the NL Central with a 46-58 record.
Not a lot of info yet. All I can tell you is that both reportedly have been canned.
HerdFan?
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-28-2003 06:07 PM
Gee, where should I start?
I couldn't be happier with this move. Good riddance!!!!!
The Reds got rid of GM Jim Bowden, Manager Bob Boone, hitting coach Tom Robson and third base coach Tim Foli. Robson and Foli were fired because they came in with Boone. Bench coach Ray Knight ran the team today during a make-up game they had vs the Phils. Thank God he will only coach for one day or they might as well have kept Boone in there.
Boone is an idiot in my book. He has mishandled the pitching staff so bad that he drew criticism from fans and players alike. He decided halfway through the season to bat Adam Dunn, the teams leading HR hitter in the leadoff spot. DUH!!
He came back after the All Star break and went 1-7 on a homestand to drop the Reds 10 games back. They never recovered. The pitchers began complaining about the way they were being handled. He never had a winning record while in Cincy, going 190-238.
Of course...alot of the Reds problems were caused by Bowden. He made a mockery of the franchise. He fired Tony Perez after just 44 games in 93 (I think it was). Perez was always a favorite in Cincinnati during and after his playing days. All the players from The Big Red Machine will tell you that Perez was the backbone of the team. He was shafted by Bowden and made to look like a scapegoat. Bowden should have been run out of town then!!!!
Bowden tried to cover for his good buddy Marge Schott (I won't even go there....my blood pressure is already rising :mad: ) and was suspended himself for inflammatory comments.
The Reds had the second highest payroll in 95 and got beat by your Braves (swept) and have NEVER, I say again, NEVER made it back to the post season.
He would rather sign 20 outfielders and keep all 20 on the roster than spend a buck for *QUALITY* pitching. He would invite over the hill pitchers to camp and pay them minimum salary and hope they recovered from their 5th Tommy John surgery in time to become the Staff Ace. Look at their opening day pitcher for this year. Jimmy Haynes. WOW!!!! He SUCKS. They rewarded him for all the wins (snicker snicker) he got last year....overlooking the fact he lost 15 I think it was.
Boone and Bowden were both in the last year of their contracts. Boone will be replaced by Triple-A (Louisville) Manager Dave Miley for the remainder of the year. Miley has been with the Reds for 23 years.
Oh yeah, back to Bowden. He insisted that Boone keep Willy Mo Pena, an inexperienced outfielder no doubt...on the roster this year. If he got sent down they would lose him. Well, lose him then. He clearly isn't ready for the Pro's and we need pitching help.
Also, IMO the Reds will soon part ways with Aaron Boone now that they canned Daddy. They got rid of Brett Boone a few years ago in another bonehead move. Scott Williamson, the closer will probably also be shipped off.
OK...I'm finished ranting. Back to baseball. :D
PS The Reds have a very storied and proud history. Hopefully these moves are just the beginning of the slow process of getting back to the glory days!
- Terpy - 07-28-2003 07:33 PM
Wow thats a rant worthy of Terpyness :laugh:
But anyways I think this is a much needed move for the Reds. While Bowden has a reputation for being a competent (if outspoken) GM this team needed a change and while Boone seems to be fairly respected as well he hasnt and never has gotten the job done as a manager. I wouldnt be suprised to see Bowden pursued by the lousy Mets in the offseason and Boone will (even if he doesnt deserve it) will probably find a job elsewhere as well.
As I said this seems to be a much needed move for the Reds and will probably be followed by several other moves...I was wondering is there any chance that Griffey gets traded? I dont know if he would accept a trade but I think a move may do him alot of good to get his career back on track.
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-28-2003 09:51 PM
Well Terpy, Griffey getting traded is unknown. The Reds will probably wait and see how his off season healing process is going before they make any decisions. Also, Jr will have a say so in the matter, as will the new coach and GM. We will just have to wait and see.
I am a little frustrated at the injuries and how his career has turned out while in Cincy. We all know how awesome he was when he was in Seattle, but for some reason he just can't get untracked as a Red.
In all fairness to Jr.....he took a HUGE paycut to come home. He also took it so the Reds could sign other quality players. That is almost unheard of in any sport these days.
- GDawgs88 - 07-29-2003 11:02 AM
I don't think anybody wants Griffey. Why would they.
- Terpy - 07-29-2003 12:17 PM
I would take a chance on Griffey, if he even gets back to half the player he used to be he's a bargain at what he is making and well worth the risk. I was very excited when there were rumors about the O's trading for him before the season started. Also, he could probably be had for fairly cheap, prospect wise. Despite his decline I think a more appropriate question would be who wouldnt want Griffey?
- GDawgs88 - 07-29-2003 03:04 PM
I don't want him!
Then again we have a great outfield. Your O's really need a slugger that people will pay to see.
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-29-2003 06:27 PM
The American League might suit him better as he could be a DH. I don't know how that would go with him as he was always awesome with the glove!!
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-29-2003 10:17 PM
Looks like I was right about the Reds trading their closer, Scott Williamson. He was shipped to the Red Sox in exchange for minor league LHP Phillip Dumatrait, a player to be named later and $$$$$.
Terms were not disclosed and any other details unknown at this time.
I look for the rookie (Wagner) or maybe Gabe White to step in as closer....although with the Reds anything is possible.
- Terpy - 07-29-2003 11:19 PM
The Sox are loading up. Their offense is one of the best around and with all these trades their bullpen is a getting better everyday, beyond Pedro however I think their starting pitching is shaky at best. Looks like they are trying to go for it like the Angels did last year...
- GDawgs88 - 07-29-2003 11:27 PM
Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:Looks like I was right about the Reds trading their closer, Scott Williamson. He was shipped to the Red Sox in exchange for minor league LHP Phillip Dumatrait, a player to be named later and $$$$$.Hate to say it, but I think that's a bad move Herd Fan. I've always been a big Williamson fan.
Terms were not disclosed and any other details unknown at this time.
I look for the rookie (Wagner) or maybe Gabe White to step in as closer....although with the Reds anything is possible.
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-30-2003 12:44 PM
Me too!!!
We have tickets to see the Cards at the End of August. By the time that game rolls around who knows what the line-up will look like.
- GDawgs88 - 07-30-2003 01:05 PM
The last thing the Reds needed to do IMO was break up the bullpen. That was a big strength for the Reds.
- GDawgs88 - 07-30-2003 01:06 PM
Also, I don't know if Gabe White will be a Red much longer. The Yankees want to help thier 'pen, and White has been rumored to go there for a while now.
- JoltinJacket - 07-30-2003 11:27 PM
Now Jose Guillen has been shipped off to Oakland and Aaron Boone is now on the trading block. Looks like everyone except Casey, Dunn and Kearns are up for grabs. :thumbdown:
- Terpy - 07-30-2003 11:42 PM
I honestly think that the Reds are doing the right thing, what they were doing obviously wasnt working to well, they were a great offensive club but they had no pitching and it wasnt working for them. The Reds were the National League version of the Rangers. Kearns and Dunn seem like they could be great guys to build a team around. It may hurt for a couple years but I think they are doing what they had to do.
As far as Sean Casey, he's a great guy but I believe he would be on the block if he had any value but the truth is nobody wants a 1st baseman with limited power anymore and the Reds probably couldnt get much for him if they wanted to trade him.
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-31-2003 12:24 AM
Casey is from Pittsburgh (I think) and has said he would accept a trade to the Pirates.
I predicted Williamson and Boone would get traded. Boone is being asked about by the Dodgers and Mariners and maybe more teams.
Guillen may help spark the A's, adding more lumber to that potentially dangerous lineup.
- Herd Fan 4-Life - 07-31-2003 02:19 PM
Boone is now a Yankee!!
The Reds shipped him to New York for minor league pitcher Brandon Claussen, a lefty who was recently sent down to AAA.
According to ESPN (who has recently fired Jim Bowden on the show) the Reds aren't finished. 45 minutes until the deadline.
- Terpy - 07-31-2003 02:43 PM
Also, I guess this should go in another thread but ill put it here, The Redsox got Suppan and Brandon Lyon from the Pirates for prospects. The interesting thing about this is Brandon Lyon is the same guy the Redsox traded to the Pirates for Sauerbeck a week or so ago. Kinda odd if you ask me. :laugh:
- GDawgs88 - 08-01-2003 11:43 AM
Claussen should hep Cincy's pitching staff by 2004. That's a good trade IMO.