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- KlutzDio I - 11-06-2003 02:37 PM
I kind of admire the guy for saying whatever the hell he wants to say, something that is rare in the political scene these days. Nonetheless, the guy is courting Rebel flag-waving country boys and it's got him in hot water!
Now, why aren't the Republicans' Rebel flag waving constituents coming to his aid?
I tell you, Dean isn't a liberal, but a trojan horse! He wants to look liberal, middle of the road, McCain-ish, just to get elected, then we'll go to war with North Korea and anyone else who's brown and has a beef with us!
- Rebel - 11-06-2003 02:50 PM
He is so out of touch with the South that he still thinks the KKK still lynches people down here. I don't hear him saying anything about Robert Byrd BEING a former grand lizard of the klan.
- KlutzDio I - 11-06-2003 02:59 PM
RebelKev Wrote:He is so out of touch with the South that he still thinks the KKK still lynches people down here. I don't hear him saying anything about Robert Byrd BEING a former grand lizard of the klan.When did he say the KKK was still active down here?
- Rebel - 11-06-2003 03:10 PM
KlutzDio I Wrote:You must have failed to deduct exactly what he was hinting at with his statements.RebelKev Wrote:He is so out of touch with the South that he still thinks the KKK still lynches people down here. I don't hear him saying anything about Robert Byrd BEING a former grand lizard of the klan.When did he say the KKK was still active down here?
In a nutshell, we are a bunch of rednecks that still drive on dirt roads, have segregated facilities, and hate blacks.
Oh, but he wants to bring the poor white suthuhna'a to the table with the culuh'ed folk and git 'em to vote democwat.
- KlutzDio I - 11-06-2003 03:36 PM
Wait dude, I think you are confused. See, Dean was trying to reach out to Rebel flag waving Southerners. He wasn't dissing them. He was saying it's o.k. to wave the Rebel flag and he wanted those folks to vote for him.
He eventually caved to pressure and apologized for courting the Rebel flag waving dudes.
You wrote: "In a nutshell, we are a bunch of rednecks that still drive on dirt roads, have segregated facilities, and hate blacks. "
I've never heard Dean say this. I haven't heard him say anything that remotely conveys this sentiment. Then again, if he did have this perception of the South, then you can't really blame him. After all, he's from Vermont and it's Yankee country up there. Coming down South the Yankees see stuff like dudes in pickup trucks with Rebel flags on stickers, or license plates, or the actual cloth flags hung in the back. I mean, I see these folks daily, especially in north Mississippi and in South Carolina! I've seem them in Georgia and Tenn. If one sees this, and they don't understand us down here, then how could they draw any other kind of conclusion?
How on earth could a Yankee ever understand Southern culture?
You have to admit, the Southern culture is foreign to the Yankee yellow belly. Seeing how that is, it is understandable uneducated and uncultured Yankees could misconstrue the way things really are down here.
- joebordenrebel - 11-06-2003 04:41 PM
Okay okay, this is what he really said:
Howard Dean is in middle of Confederate flag flap
Published November 2, 2003
POLB02
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A comment by Howard Dean about Confederate flags has embroiled the leading Democrats in Iowa's presidential caucuses in a donnybrook.
"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks," the former Vermont governor said in a telephone interview quoted in Saturday's Des Moines Register. "We can't beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats."
Dean said on Saturday that he was intending to encourage the return of Southern voters who have abandoned the Democrats for decades.
But his rivals competing in Iowa's leadoff Jan. 19 caucuses saw the comment differently.
Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri accused Dean of making a blatant move to win the votes of people "who disagree with us on bedrock Democratic values like civil rights."
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts contended that Dean's "pandering" to the National Rifle Association gave him an inroad to "pander to lovers of the Confederate flag."
The flag comment was reported in a story about Kerry's criticism of Dean's record on guns. Kerry claimed that Dean was an NRA favorite who opposed a 1994 law that banned assault weapons to civilians.
In response to the criticism, Dean released a statement saying: "I want people with Confederate flags on their trucks to put down those flags and vote Democratic -- because the need for quality health care, jobs and a good education knows no racial boundaries."
Candidate and civil rights activist Al Sharpton -- who has accused Dean of having an "antiblack agenda" -- said he was "surprised and disturbed" by the Confederate flag remark. "If I said I wanted to be the candidate for people that ride around with helmets and swastikas, I would be asked to leave."
The two Southerners in the race, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards and retired Gen. Wesley Clark of Arkansas, also protested.
"Some of the greatest civil rights leaders, white and black, have come from the South," Edwards said. "To assume that Southerners who drive trucks would embrace this symbol is offensive."
Said Clark: "Every Democratic candidate for president needs to condemn the divisiveness the Confederate flag represents."
Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's campaign weighed in as well. "Governor Dean ought to be more careful about what he says," said campaign director Craig Smith. "It is irresponsible and reckless to loosely talk about one of the most divisive, hurtful symbols in American history."
And then he clarified with this release:
Governor Dean's Opening Remarks at Cooper Union
NEW YORK--Democratic presidential candidate Governor Howard Dean, M.D., today made the following remarks here at Cooper Union:
"We're at a space today that's rich in our nation's history, a place where citizens have gathered for more than a century to debate the great issues of the day. From this platform and from this very podium Abraham Lincoln spoke nearly 150 years ago as a presidential candidate and when Lincoln came here, he did not shy away from talking about the greatest threat that our republic faced at that time which is the terrible institution of human slavery. I will not shy away today either.
"The issue of the confederate flag has become an issue in this presidential race. Let me make this clear. I believe that we have one flag in this country, the flag of the United States of America. I believe that the flag of the Confederate States of America is a painful symbol and reminder of racial injustice and slavery, which Lincoln denounced from here over 150 years ago. And I do not condone the use of the flag of the Confederate States of America. I do believe that this country needs to engage in a serious discussion about race, and that everyone must participate in that discussion. I started this discussion in a clumsy way.
"This discussion will be painful, and I regret the pain that I may have caused either to African-American or southern white voters in the beginning of this discussion. But we need to have this discussion in an honest open way.
"In 1968 the Republican Party embarked on a strategy to divide white people from black people in the south just as they were divided when Abraham Lincoln stood at this podium 150 years ago. That is intolerable. Ending that is what this campaign is all about.
"I am determined to find a way to bring white Americans and black Americans--as Dr. King said--to the same table of common brotherhood. As I said, we have started in a difficult way, but there is no way to escape the pain of this discussion. To think that racism was banished from the face of this country--even after the success of the civil rights movement is wrong.
"Today in America, you have a better chance of being called back for a job interview if you're white with a criminal record than you do if you're black with a clean record--never having been arrested or convicted. Institutional racism exists in this country not because institutions are run by bigots or racists, but because of our unconscious bias towards hiring people just like ourselves. I am determined we will overcome this. I am also determined that we will not leave anyone behind in this discussion--no matter what their color, no matter where they live.
"I understand Senator Edward's concern last night that we not have people from the north telling people from the south how to run their states--but we all need to understand that we are in this together and that it will be a difficult and painful discussion, and feelings will be hurt. And what we must do is that people of good will must stay at the table.
"If we are ever to vanquish the scourge of racism left over from 400 hundred years of slavery and Jim Crow, only 40 or 50 years ago [did] the Civil Rights Movement begin to see relief from that. We can't think it is over; we must have the dialogue Bill Clinton promised us; we must continue that dialogue, and we must all be at the table. Many of the people in the African American community have supported what I have said in the past few days, because they understand. Some have not, so I say, to those, I deeply regret the pain I have may caused. Many of our white supporters have understood, but to those who do not, I regret the pain that I have caused. I will tell you, there is no easy way to do this. There will be pain as we discuss it; we must face it together--hand-in-hand, as Dr. King and Abraham Lincoln asked us to do.
"Because this is about taking back our country and when white people and brown people and black people vote together in this country, that's when we get social justice in America."
Governor Dean's remarks as prepared for delivery are available at http://www.deanforamerica.com.
- nate jonesacc - 11-06-2003 05:10 PM
Don't mind RebelKev... He's such a bitter person in general you really can't have reasonable discussion with him.
- joebordenrebel - 11-06-2003 06:18 PM
No no, Nate, you've got it all wrong. Only Liberals and Commies are bitter people. That's why we whine all the time about victims--because we love to play the victim card!
Circular logic is always so neat. :laugh:
- KlutzDio I - 11-07-2003 12:37 AM
joebordenrebel Wrote:No no, Nate, you've got it all wrong. Only Liberals and Commies are bitter people. That's why we whine all the time about victims--because we love to play the victim card!You got that right, JBR!
Circular logic is always so neat. :laugh:
Libruls are some pinko, malcontented scum. They love their malcontented, unAmurcan crap like soccer and beer that's brown. They also like to wear them brown plastic glasses that are kind of rectangular around the eyes. They like to dress in all black and sip there brown or black beer and watch soccer, those malcontented scum. They are bitter, bitter that someone like Saddam isn't in charge over here. That's what Dean will establish if he cheats his way to proletariat revolution and becomes our premiere. He'll be just another of them durn commie, yellow-bellies sippin' on unAmurcan black beer and watching commie sports like soccer.
Those durn commie bastages don't watch no good Amurcan sport like golf! or football, or basketball, or baseball
- georgia_tech_swagger - 11-07-2003 04:30 PM
KlutzDio I Wrote:I kind of admire the guy for saying whatever the hell he wants to say, something that is rare in the political scene these days. Nonetheless, the guy is courting Rebel flag-waving country boys and it's got him in hot water!As if Dean wasn't going to get his arse kicked bad enough in the south, he stereotyped the South while alienating black voters.
Now, why aren't the Republicans' Rebel flag waving constituents coming to his aid?
I tell you, Dean isn't a liberal, but a trojan horse! He wants to look liberal, middle of the road, McCain-ish, just to get elected, then we'll go to war with North Korea and anyone else who's brown and has a beef with us!
It'll be funny if he greated with "Yankee Go Home" doing campaign stops in the South.
- georgia_tech_swagger - 11-07-2003 04:36 PM
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- joebordenrebel - 11-07-2003 05:45 PM
Yep, that was one can of worms I'm sure he'd wished he hadn't opened. . .
Maybe he can woo the skinhead Aryan nation in Ohio next. . ."I want guys with swastikas to vote for me too!"
Just another reason I'm glad I'm not a Democrat.
- KlutzDio I - 11-07-2003 06:42 PM
That cartoon summed it up: today, you can't say anything good or bad about the CSA flag or else you'll be vilified!
BTW, Georgia Tech Swagger, how did Dean stereotype the South or Southerners. I've seen countless Rebel flags in Mississippi, TN, AR, LA, GA, SC, KY and even in friggin Indiana! Whe I see them, I see them all over the place, on cars, hats, shirts, cellphone jackets, motorcycle gas tanks, dice hanging from the rear-view, underwear, umbrellas
- metro6775 - 11-07-2003 07:29 PM
It is funny how a colorful banner can cause so much controversy. I think whenever my generation gets old enough to have political power no one will care and think back "what the heck was that all about"?
- joebordenrebel - 11-07-2003 07:40 PM
metro6775 Wrote:I think whenever my generation gets old enough to have political power no one will care and think back "what the heck was that all about"?Hey, when Generation X hits the White House, all bets are OFF!
And yes, I see more Dixiecrat flags here in the "Land of Lincoln" (that's Illinois) than I ever saw in Mis'sippi. Based on the way the heartland voted in the last election (and the majority of the KKK still resides) maybe Dean could rephrase that for the Yanks over heah.