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- GDawgs88 - 08-10-2004 04:15 PM
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Edgar was a fun hitter to watch and a professional guy. I'll miss him.
- baseballstud - 08-10-2004 05:26 PM
seattle will miss him deeply. if u ever go to safeco field, when hes up to bat u can hear "eddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddgarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" over and over again. he lives in the same town as me!
- tysramm1 - 08-10-2004 08:52 PM
I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?
- flyingswoosh - 08-10-2004 10:28 PM
tysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?i completely agree.
- jjburtzel - 08-11-2004 08:02 AM
tysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?No doubt. I know some of the Mariners fans probably want this to happen, but no way. It hurts that he didn't become a full-time major leaguer until he was 27. He ends up with a pretty nice career batting average, but not playing a position for most of his career and not ending up with one of the glamour stats (3000 hits or 500 hr) gives him virtually no shot. Good hitter...just not a HOF'er.
- jrhessey - 08-11-2004 09:47 AM
tysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?what about guys that play defense and don't play offense, like relief pitchers?? Eck just got in and in no way did he ever help his teams score any runs... he got in on his defensive (pitching excellence)...
I'm not sure if Martinez should be in there or not, I'm just posing a question...
BTW his averaged numbers aren't that bad, over 12 years he averages over 40 doubles a season, 100 rbis, 25 homers, over a 100 walks, and a .312 average... that's pretty dang good, I just don't know if it's good enough for the HOF...
- flyingswoosh - 08-11-2004 10:06 AM
jrhessey Wrote:they're pitchers! there's a difference. Also, i want to ask you if pitching is the same thing as defense? Because i don't think it is. Baseball has three categories. Offense, defense and pitching.tysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?what about guys that play defense and don't play offense, like relief pitchers?? Eck just got in and in no way did he ever help his teams score any runs... he got in on his defensive (pitching excellence)...
I'm not sure if Martinez should be in there or not, I'm just posing a question...
BTW his averaged numbers aren't that bad, over 12 years he averages over 40 doubles a season, 100 rbis, 25 homers, over a 100 walks, and a .312 average... that's pretty dang good, I just don't know if it's good enough for the HOF...
- tysramm1 - 08-11-2004 10:53 AM
jrhessey Wrote:Thats like saying that only pitchers from the NL should be able to go to the hall, because they have to bat while AL pitchers dont. There's a big difference between the responsibilities of pitchers and hitterstysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?what about guys that play defense and don't play offense, like relief pitchers?? Eck just got in and in no way did he ever help his teams score any runs... he got in on his defensive (pitching excellence)...
I'm not sure if Martinez should be in there or not, I'm just posing a question...
BTW his averaged numbers aren't that bad, over 12 years he averages over 40 doubles a season, 100 rbis, 25 homers, over a 100 walks, and a .312 average... that's pretty dang good, I just don't know if it's good enough for the HOF...
- jjburtzel - 08-11-2004 11:07 AM
jrhessey Wrote:You missed the point...when your one and only job is to hit, and you don't playe a position that requires you to be in the field, you better have stats that compare to the greatest hitters of your era and of all time. He finished in the top 10 of the MVP balloting twice and never won it...didn't reach 3000 hits...didn't hit 500 home runs...won 2 AL batting titles. That's a good player, not an HOFer.tysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?what about guys that play defense and don't play offense, like relief pitchers?? Eck just got in and in no way did he ever help his teams score any runs... he got in on his defensive (pitching excellence)...
I'm not sure if Martinez should be in there or not, I'm just posing a question...
BTW his averaged numbers aren't that bad, over 12 years he averages over 40 doubles a season, 100 rbis, 25 homers, over a 100 walks, and a .312 average... that's pretty dang good, I just don't know if it's good enough for the HOF...
Now I agree that, let's say someone with Barry Bonds' stats stays at DH all of their career...you can't keep them out. But a guy who is a borderline case for his bat AND he rarely took the field. Nope. Good player, but not in the Hall.
If Dave Parker can't get close to the Hall, there is no way in hell Edgar Martinez should.
- jrhessey - 08-11-2004 12:23 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:no I don't think pitching is the same thing as defense, I think it is part of defense though, each seperate that go together hand in hand... I think that might be confusing...jrhessey Wrote:they're pitchers! there's a difference. Also, i want to ask you if pitching is the same thing as defense? Because i don't think it is. Baseball has three categories. Offense, defense and pitching.tysramm1 Wrote:I definitely think that he does NOT deserve to go to the hall of fame. One his stats arent that great compared to other power position players, 2, he was never consistentantly dominant enough for the hall, and finally and most importantly someone who only plays offense and not defense has not place in the hall IMO. What do you guys think?what about guys that play defense and don't play offense, like relief pitchers?? Eck just got in and in no way did he ever help his teams score any runs... he got in on his defensive (pitching excellence)...
I'm not sure if Martinez should be in there or not, I'm just posing a question...
BTW his averaged numbers aren't that bad, over 12 years he averages over 40 doubles a season, 100 rbis, 25 homers, over a 100 walks, and a .312 average... that's pretty dang good, I just don't know if it's good enough for the HOF...
tysramm...
I didn't say all pitchers, I just said relief pitchers... there's a difference because relief pitchers rarely ever bat in the NL either... The AL has the DH for the whole game, the NL only 3-4 innings if they take the starter out... I took your comment as this "guys who only play one side the game have no place in the Hall of Fame." Now it's ok for relief pitchers to only have to play one way and get in, but no one can just play on offensive side and get in?? Especially when most of these guys are coming in and pitching one inning a game for say 70 games??
- GDawgs88 - 08-12-2004 03:25 PM
Hall of Famer? No. But that shouldn't ruin his legacy.