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- GDawgs88 - 01-19-2005 10:13 PM
I say it's absurd.
- cbfranchise3 - 01-19-2005 10:55 PM
I agree. What is the difference between $13.5 mil and $22 mil at this point. It's not like he is gonna have problems putting food on the table. The point is that if Clemens really wants to win, he will sign for $13.5 mil and let the Astros spend the difference to give them a better team. Money should not matter at this point in his career, especially since the Astros are already doing him a favor by letting him stay in Houston on road trips.
- flyingswoosh - 01-19-2005 11:35 PM
you guys are not being fair. clemens feels that he should get paid based on how much other pitchers got. if kris benson can get over 8, then the reigning cy young winner deserves 22. 13.5 is an insult.
- flyingswoosh - 01-19-2005 11:37 PM
and here's a question. why should he care about winning? maybe now he just wants to leave his great grand children a lot of money.
for people that thought clemens was all noble for staying home during road trips, you guys have sure turned against him quickly.
- flyingswoosh - 01-19-2005 11:38 PM
cbfranchise3 Wrote:especially since the Astros are already doing him a favor by letting him stay in Houston on road trips.a favor? he had the upper hand in the negotiations when he signed a year ago.
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 03:32 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:you guys are not being fair. clemens feels that he should get paid based on how much other pitchers got. if kris benson can get over 8, then the reigning cy young winner deserves 22. 13.5 is an insult.I couldn't disagree more. 13.5 million is an insult? Are you kidding me? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I would think that would have to make him one the 5 or 10 top paid pitchers in the game. Kris Benson should not be a part of how much he makes. If the Mets want to overpay for him, that's their problem. But it certainly shouldn't be used as leaverage for Clemens to get a ridiculous salary. It's no wonder that baseball has driven fans away with this out-and-out greed. But I can't say that this shockes me. Roger Clemens has always been about stroking his ego. If he isn't the highest paid pitcher in the game, he won't play. That just sucks.
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 03:38 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:and here's a question. why should he care about winning? maybe now he just wants to leave his great grand children a lot of money.Yeah, swoosh, I'm sure Clemens needs this 22 million or else his grandchildren will be hurting for money. They'll be broke if he only gets 13.5. :rolleyes:
for people that thought clemens was all noble for staying home during road trips, you guys have sure turned against him quickly.
For the record, I did not defend Clemens staying home on road trips.
- flyingswoosh - 01-20-2005 03:45 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:actually, this is all about kris benson and other pitchers. arbitration is a comparison. arbitration judges compares the player to other players and their salaries.flyingswoosh Wrote:you guys are not being fair. clemens feels that he should get paid based on how much other pitchers got. if kris benson can get over 8, then the reigning cy young winner deserves 22. 13.5 is an insult.I couldn't disagree more. 13.5 million is an insult? Are you kidding me? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I would think that would have to make him one the 5 or 10 top paid pitchers in the game. Kris Benson should not be a part of how much he makes. If the Mets want to overpay for him, that's their problem. But it certainly shouldn't be used as leaverage for Clemens to get a ridiculous salary. It's no wonder that baseball has driven fans away with this out-and-out greed. But I can't say that this shockes me. Roger Clemens has always been about stroking his ego. If he isn't the highest paid pitcher in the game, he won't play. That just sucks.
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 03:51 PM
And I don't think that's the way it should be. Guys should not be able to get more money based on what other guys got. They should get what they deserve, although I know that that's fantasy.
- flyingswoosh - 01-20-2005 06:41 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:And I don't think that's the way it should be. Guys should not be able to get more money based on what other guys got. They should get what they deserve, although I know that that's fantasy.i partially agree with you. there should be no arbitration. it's awful. but on the flip side you said "players should get what they deserve." well doesn't that mean they should be compared to other players? in order to determine what someone deserves, you should look at what his peers got, right?
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 08:06 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:but on the flip side you said "players should get what they deserve." well doesn't that mean they should be compared to other players? in order to determine what someone deserves, you should look at what his peers got, right?No, you're right. I just don't like how players use what other guys got as a tool to inflate their contract. It really hurts small-market teams or teams that are cash-strapped.
- flyingswoosh - 01-20-2005 08:14 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:sports is a business. that's all i can say. also, the MLBPA is the strongest union in the world.flyingswoosh Wrote:but on the flip side you said "players should get what they deserve." well doesn't that mean they should be compared to other players? in order to determine what someone deserves, you should look at what his peers got, right?No, you're right. I just don't like how players use what other guys got as a tool to inflate their contract. It really hurts small-market teams or teams that are cash-strapped.
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 08:18 PM
I understand that sports is a business. Athletes take advantage of that fact. Instead of signing for less to help their team, they do whatever they can to get as much money as possible. MLB and all professional sports are very "me" oriented. That's just the way it is, and as I said earlier, it would be fantasy for me to expect that to change.
- flyingswoosh - 01-20-2005 08:36 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:I understand that sports is a business. Athletes take advantage of that fact. Instead of signing for less to help their team, they do whatever they can to get as much money as possible. MLB and all professional sports are very "me" oriented. That's just the way it is, and as I said earlier, it would be fantasy for me to expect that to change.it's not the players' fault.
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 08:42 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:How?GDawgs88 Wrote:I understand that sports is a business. Athletes take advantage of that fact. Instead of signing for less to help their team, they do whatever they can to get as much money as possible. MLB and all professional sports are very "me" oriented. That's just the way it is, and as I said earlier, it would be fantasy for me to expect that to change.it's not the players' fault.
- flyingswoosh - 01-20-2005 08:51 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:the fans have done this. they glorify the modern day athlete. but it doesn't really matter to me. i don't care what pro sports are like. i still love watching baseball. i djust don't see why people care that a-rod is getting 25 million. it doesn't hurt them in any way.flyingswoosh Wrote:How?GDawgs88 Wrote:I understand that sports is a business. Athletes take advantage of that fact. Instead of signing for less to help their team, they do whatever they can to get as much money as possible. MLB and all professional sports are very "me" oriented. That's just the way it is, and as I said earlier, it would be fantasy for me to expect that to change.it's not the players' fault.
- GDawgs88 - 01-20-2005 09:11 PM
Sorry, I just don't see what you mean when you say the fans are the reason for the huge contracts. The players still have to sign on the dotted line. And, believe me, I don't fault A-Rod one iota for signing a 252 million dollar contract. If they offered me that, I'd take it in a New York minute. But this topic wasn't about A-Rod. It was about Roger Clemens, and it just bothers me that he is holding the Astros hostage. "If you don't give me what I want, I'll retire." Take the 13.5 million and be happy, Roger.
- flyingswoosh - 01-20-2005 09:30 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:Sorry, I just don't see what you mean when you say the fans are the reason for the huge contracts. The players still have to sign on the dotted line. And, believe me, I don't fault A-Rod one iota for signing a 252 million dollar contract. If they offered me that, I'd take it in a New York minute. But this topic wasn't about A-Rod. It was about Roger Clemens, and it just bothers me that he is holding the Astros hostage. "If you don't give me what I want, I'll retire." Take the 13.5 million and be happy, Roger.why should roger take less than he deserves? if your boss suddenly told you he would be paying less than what you deserve, what would you say?
- cbfranchise3 - 01-20-2005 10:27 PM
flyingswoosh Wrote:why should roger take less than he deserves?To give the Astros more money and a better team, thus giving him a better shot at winning another World Series, which should be worth more than an extra $8.5 mil to him.
- cbfranchise3 - 01-20-2005 10:29 PM
GDawgs88 Wrote:It's no wonder that baseball has driven fans away with this out-and-out greed.I agree. I love following baseball, especially in the playoffs, but my one problem with it is the greed. I think this represents what is wrong with baseball.