(08-29-2025 06:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I realize Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and even Kentucky aren't always considered southern states, but who will be the first school to join the SEC that is truly outside the south? Would the Big Ten expanding into the southeast possibly drive the SEC to look northward or westward?

(08-29-2025 06:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I realize Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and even Kentucky aren't always considered southern states, but who will be the first school to join the SEC that is truly outside the south? Would the Big Ten expanding into the southeast possibly drive the SEC to look northward or westward?

(08-29-2025 06:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I realize Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and even Kentucky aren't always considered southern states, but who will be the first school to join the SEC that is truly outside the south? Would the Big Ten expanding into the southeast possibly drive the SEC to look northward or westward?

(09-08-2025 09:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-29-2025 06:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I realize Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and even Kentucky aren't always considered southern states, but who will be the first school to join the SEC that is truly outside the south? Would the Big Ten expanding into the southeast possibly drive the SEC to look northward or westward?

The question could have been posed as which would be the first school from a state that sided with the Union in the Civil War. In that case, Kansas is the obvious first choice. They are more or less equally north compared to Missouri, but Missouri, while officially remaining in the Union, was more supportive of the Confederacy, and launched frequent guerrilla style raids into Kansas.

(08-30-2025 12:21 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  Kansas. That would be a strategic addition even if the SEC can keep BIG out of south

ASU would be my second vote. IMO a better fit than Colorado, although neither are good fits. Something about the Rocky Mountains being in the SEC makes CU corrupt the brand for me, despite CU being contiguous and shared history with the Big 12 division. My brain can see last year’s UT-ASU playoff game as having a SEC vs SEC taste

(10-12-2025 11:23 PM)Lush Wrote:  the nasti. a qausi southern town peopled with the riff raff from the west virginny/tucky hills. you get an ohio presence, a football team with historical plus hoops. we win at a high level wherever we go, have sick jerseys. we'll say yes. do it to stick it to big state

(10-13-2025 05:11 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(10-12-2025 11:23 PM)Lush Wrote:  the nasti. a qausi southern town peopled with the riff raff from the west virginny/tucky hills. you get an ohio presence, a football team with historical plus hoops. we win at a high level wherever we go, have sick jerseys. we'll say yes. do it to stick it to big state

Agree with Cincy. They were hot the year they made the Playoff out of the AAC, cooled once they joined the B12 but are now 5-1. Definitely a great choice in Big Ten territory.

(10-13-2025 11:05 PM)Lush Wrote:  another point. it's a driveable game. columbia, knoxville, lexington, nashville, i dunno, fayetteville...who else is in the sec?

(11-09-2025 04:53 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  It all depends on who wins when the P2 raids the ACC. The SEC wins if it gets UNC, UVa, Duke, Clemson and FSU. If that happens, then maybe the SEC stays Southern and adds VT, NCSU and GT. That gets it to 24. Bringing in VT and NCSU silences state politians over separating the systems from each other. They are also the most Southern schools in those states. Which helps deliver the last two Southern states not in the SEC. That brings tons of cable subscriptions and tons of streaming subscriptions. That move blocks the BIG from a move into the South by grabing most of the schools the BIG would want (BIG would want UNC, UVa, Duke, GT and daU). In this scenario, the SEC doesn't need any Northern or Western school.
If the BIG wins the ACC raid, which is less likely but could still happen. It will get UNC, UVa, Duke and maybe GT & daU. That splits out VT and NCSU from their sister schools. Which will be a problem IF the SEC still doesn't take them. If my math is correct, this leaves the BIG at 23, so it invites Kansas to get to 24. KU brings basketball with a national following and provides Nebraska with the traditional rival it has been missing since joining the BIG. But it leaves KSt outside looking in.
So here it is. The SEC still expands by taking all the remaining Southern schools worth having. Than means VT, NCSU, Clemson and FSU. That gets the SEC to 20. Where it could stay. Or it could continue to expand by taking OkSt, KSt, ASU and UA. That would make those three B12 schools the firsthand only "non Southern" schools to get invited to the SEC.

(11-10-2025 05:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 04:53 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  It all depends on who wins when the P2 raids the ACC. The SEC wins if it gets UNC, UVa, Duke, Clemson and FSU. If that happens, then maybe the SEC stays Southern and adds VT, NCSU and GT. That gets it to 24. Bringing in VT and NCSU silences state politians over separating the systems from each other. They are also the most Southern schools in those states. Which helps deliver the last two Southern states not in the SEC. That brings tons of cable subscriptions and tons of streaming subscriptions. That move blocks the BIG from a move into the South by grabing most of the schools the BIG would want (BIG would want UNC, UVa, Duke, GT and daU). In this scenario, the SEC doesn't need any Northern or Western school.
If the BIG wins the ACC raid, which is less likely but could still happen. It will get UNC, UVa, Duke and maybe GT & daU. That splits out VT and NCSU from their sister schools. Which will be a problem IF the SEC still doesn't take them. If my math is correct, this leaves the BIG at 23, so it invites Kansas to get to 24. KU brings basketball with a national following and provides Nebraska with the traditional rival it has been missing since joining the BIG. But it leaves KSt outside looking in.
So here it is. The SEC still expands by taking all the remaining Southern schools worth having. Than means VT, NCSU, Clemson and FSU. That gets the SEC to 20. Where it could stay. Or it could continue to expand by taking OkSt, KSt, ASU and UA. That would make those three B12 schools the firsthand only "non Southern" schools to get invited to the SEC.

There is little economic gain to the SEC regarding cable subscriptions by adding North Carolina and Virginia.
The dominant cable provider (Spectrum) has been broadcasting the SEC network for years, and has recently added the B1G network (as well as multiple streaming options) in an attempt to keep subscribers.