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Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - TripleA - 02-26-2025 06:07 PM
Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - shere khan - 02-26-2025 06:11 PM
Magnificent Orange Bastard
Got what he wanted and handed the globohomos the problem
Ukraine is fricked
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - bullet - 02-26-2025 06:13 PM
(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - shere khan - 02-26-2025 06:17 PM
(02-26-2025 06:13 PM)bullet Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
Its over
Ukraine lost
Bigly
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - TripleA - 02-26-2025 06:18 PM
(02-26-2025 06:13 PM)bullet Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
Then I didn't make myself clear. The US is NOT going to be involved in ANY security agreement for Ukraine, now or at any time in the future.
The understanding is that Europe and Europe alone will provide 100% of any security.
I cannot make it any clearer than that.
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - CrimsonPhantom - 02-26-2025 06:31 PM
(02-26-2025 06:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:13 PM)bullet Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
Then I didn't make myself clear. The US is NOT going to be involved in ANY security agreement for Ukraine, now or at any time in the future.
The understanding is that Europe and Europe alone will provide 100% of any security.
I cannot make it any clearer than that.
Now if we could just get Europe to take care of its self.
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - Attackcoog - 02-26-2025 08:21 PM
(02-26-2025 06:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:13 PM)bullet Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
Then I didn't make myself clear. The US is NOT going to be involved in ANY security agreement for Ukraine, now or at any time in the future.
The understanding is that Europe and Europe alone will provide 100% of any security.
I cannot make it any clearer than that.
Not sure if thats correct or not. I agree its definitely not part of the REM agreement. Might it potentially be part of an eventual peace settlement? Idk. I do know the president was not willing to take that possibility off the table at the Cabinet press conference when asked directly about it and seemed to in fact say the US could be part of a security/peace keeping operation if necessary. Frankly, the answer was a little twisted----so Im not sure Trump was addressing Ukraine or NATO. Later it was clear the question was about Ukraine and Trump declined to rule it out insisting that---that he'd already answered that question earlier and that we first need to get a peace agreement.
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - TripleA - 02-26-2025 09:23 PM
(02-26-2025 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:13 PM)bullet Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
Then I didn't make myself clear. The US is NOT going to be involved in ANY security agreement for Ukraine, now or at any time in the future.
The understanding is that Europe and Europe alone will provide 100% of any security.
I cannot make it any clearer than that.
Not sure if thats correct or not. I agree its definitely not part of the REM agreement. Might it potentially be part of an eventual peace settlement? Idk. I do know the president was not willing to take that possibility off the table at the Cabinet press conference when asked directly about it and seemed to in fact say the US could be part of a security/peace keeping operation if necessary. Frankly, the answer was a little twisted----so Im not sure Trump was addressing Ukraine or NATO. Later it was clear the question was about Ukraine and Trump declined to rule it out insisting that---that he'd already answered that question earlier and that we first need to get a peace agreement.
All I can tell you is what Fox reported. I got that right. They were quite clear about it, b/c they made an issue of it. Maybe Fox meant just in the REM deal, but they certainly didn't say that.
I watched most of the Cabinet presser and must have missed that question.
RE: Zelensky sends final documents to Trump to complete REM deal. No security guarantee. - TripleA - 02-27-2025 12:33 AM
(02-26-2025 08:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:13 PM)bullet Wrote:(02-26-2025 06:07 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox reported that the papers arrived in DC today, and Zelensky will be there to sign on Friday.
Fox was clear that the agreement does NOT include any security guarantee, and that Europe is now assumed to be providing all security going forward.
This is strictly for a rare earth economic partnership between the US and Ukraine.
It would be stupid to do a security guarantee before the war was over.
That would make no sense at all.
Then I didn't make myself clear. The US is NOT going to be involved in ANY security agreement for Ukraine, now or at any time in the future.
The understanding is that Europe and Europe alone will provide 100% of any security.
I cannot make it any clearer than that.
Not sure if thats correct or not. I agree its definitely not part of the REM agreement. Might it potentially be part of an eventual peace settlement? Idk. I do know the president was not willing to take that possibility off the table at the Cabinet press conference when asked directly about it and seemed to in fact say the US could be part of a security/peace keeping operation if necessary. Frankly, the answer was a little twisted----so Im not sure Trump was addressing Ukraine or NATO. Later it was clear the question was about Ukraine and Trump declined to rule it out insisting that---that he'd already answered that question earlier and that we first need to get a peace agreement.
I found the video of the presser today. The question on Ukraine starts at about the 30:10 mark.
I paraphrased Trump's answer, but it's pretty close.
Quote:I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much, because we're going to have Europe do that, we're talking about, Europe is their next door neighbor.
But we're gonna make sure everything goes well, b/c you know we're making, we'll be partnering with Ukraine in terms of rare earth...
...it's a great deal for Ukraine, too, b/c we'll be over there, we'll be working on their land, so it's sort of automatic security, b/c nobody's gonna mess with us.
The UK and France have said they will put peacekeepers on the site so I think that's a good thing.
That's it. I didn't stick around to find any later reference, but I don't think what he said was the least bit ambiguous.
Trump basically said we're going to make a rare earth deal with Ukraine, we'll be there working, so that is kind of auto security, and the UK and France will provide troops on site.
Seems clear to me.
Here is the video. Start at 30:10.