(10-22-2013 11:22 AM)TomThumb Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're doing poorly. The Big 12 schools won't want to go to a conference where fewer people are watching and most watching are on the west coast. And I haven't seen any summary of this year, but last year the Big 12 had considerably better ratings than the Pac 12.

How are the B12 games doing on Fox?

Why in the world would you compare last year's B12 ratings to this year's PAC ratings when you can compare this year's B12 ratings to this year's PAC ratings?

TCU-Oklahoma(ranked) tied the lowest rating of the season on Big Fox this Saturday. The previous lowest rated game on Big Fox was last week's Baylor-KSU game.

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/sk...gs-21.html

So if you would describe the PAC ratings this year as "doing poorly", how would you characterize the B12's tv ratings this year?

Read the post. I was comparing last year's Big 12 ratings to last year's Pac 12 ratings. And this year's Pac 12 ratings are far down from last year.

What I see from your link is that #18 OU vs. a lousy Kansas team drew nearly identical rankings to #1 Alabama vs. a lousy Arkansas team, both on ESPN. The worst rating in the listing is the Pac 12 game, but in fairness, that is on FS1. Its not surprising that poor matchups (like Alabama/Arkansas) draw lousy ratings, but the Pac 12 has had some good matchups draw poor ratings.

The PAC ratings are pretty crappy because Fox is using their games to try to attract viewers to FS1. But B12 ratings aren't exactly setting the world on fire either. It is kind of funny to see a PAC game on FS1 beat a B12 game on Big Fox like what happened last week, though.

I can totally see a B1G or SEC fan talking down to the PAC about their ratings. But a B12 fan? Meh.

I heard today that Luck to Texas is a done deal and will be announced within two weeks. Whit Babcock from Cincy seems to be the replacement name being thrown around the most but that's far from a lock.

(10-22-2013 12:54 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  The PAC ratings are pretty crappy because Fox is using their games to try to attract viewers to FS1. But B12 ratings aren't exactly setting the world on fire either. It is kind of funny to see a PAC game on FS1 beat a B12 game on Big Fox like what happened last week, though.

I can totally see a B1G or SEC fan talking down to the PAC about their ratings. But a B12 fan? Meh.

You do have serious reading comprehension issues:
AL-AR 1.33 ESPN
OU-KU 1.19 ESPN
TCU-Okie St. 1.1 Fox
Oregon ST.-Cal FS1 0.73

(in case its just that you are a liberal arts person, 1.1 is greater than 0.73)

(10-22-2013 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 12:54 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  The PAC ratings are pretty crappy because Fox is using their games to try to attract viewers to FS1. But B12 ratings aren't exactly setting the world on fire either. It is kind of funny to see a PAC game on FS1 beat a B12 game on Big Fox like what happened last week, though.

I can totally see a B1G or SEC fan talking down to the PAC about their ratings. But a B12 fan? Meh.

You do have serious reading comprehension issues:
AL-AR 1.33 ESPN
OU-KU 1.19 ESPN
TCU-Okie St. 1.1 Fox
Oregon ST.-Cal FS1 0.73

(in case its just that you are a liberal arts person, 1.1 is greater than 0.73)

Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the previous week:

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013/10/...beats-fox/

"In other cable action, the Oregon/Washington game earned a 1.3 overnight on Fox Sports 1 — easily the network’s highest college football overnight. Oregon/Washington topped the Baylor/Kansas State game on FOX (1.0) head-to-head."

(10-22-2013 12:59 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I heard today that Luck to Texas is a done deal and will be announced within two weeks. Whit Babcock from Cincy seems to be the replacement name being thrown around the most but that's far from a lock.

I have heard that too but, is the source from the dude?

(10-22-2013 01:33 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 12:59 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I heard today that Luck to Texas is a done deal and will be announced within two weeks. Whit Babcock from Cincy seems to be the replacement name being thrown around the most but that's far from a lock.

I have heard that too but, is the source from the dude?

Nah a much more reliable source. I don't worship at the altar of the Dude. Whit will definitely be considered and a top candidate

(10-17-2013 06:44 PM)TyBull Wrote:  If TV is about Revenue then how about "TV Market" size.......

3. Chicago - NIU
4. Philly - Temple
5. Dallas-Ft Worth (SMU-TCU)
10. Houston
13. Tampa-St Pete (USF)
19. Orlando-Daytona-Melbourne (UCF)
24. Charlotte, NC (Charlotte, some ECU fans say there is a large contingent there but probably wouldn't be counted towards their TV market)
30. Hartford-New Haven, CT (UCONN)
34. Cincinnati
37. San Antonio (UTSA)
38. WBP-Ft Pierce (northern ends of FAU territory, Miami-FTL is like #15 but is split with FIU and Miami obviously owns that coastline)
40. Birmingham (UAB)
43. Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News, VA (lots of ECU fans claim the southeastern portion for their fanbase, not sure how accurate)
48. Memphis
53. New Orleans (Tulane)
60. Mobile-Pensacola (USA, or UWF one day?)
61. Tulsa
62. Ft Myers-Naples (FGCU)
65. Charleston-Huntington, WV (Marshall)
91. Colorado Springs-Pueblo (Air Force)
98. El Paso (UTEP)
112. Boise
123. Lafayette, LA (UL-L)
136. Rockford - NIU
163. Biloxi-Gulfport (kinda USM territory)
167. Hattiesburg (USM)

Louisville is #50, btw.

Fixed it...NIU is in the Chicago TV market and an air broadcast from 136. Rockford also reaches DeKalb without an issue.

Skipped Atlanta

(10-09-2013 04:31 PM)DBpirate Wrote:  My prediction is it will be a p5 conference until 1) the grant of rights end and 2) pac12 expands. Once that happens it will be a war between the other 4 conferences to add the best team they can from the big 12. I doubt whatever is left there could keep the conference going and will join the American or mw.

Interesting to note that the big 12 and CFp tv contract ends the same year in 2025. Could we see the d4 come to life with 4 conferences of 16 teams competing for whatever championship they make up next? Possibly

Bingo. The B12 may expand but not without the understanding (with the additions) that they will be around for a long while.

In the meantime, they only dissolve if the Pac12 moves first.

In the end (like another poster said), TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, WVU, KU and KSU would possibly be left without homes for a short while . If this scenario were to come to fruition, they would get scooped up pretty quick.

Kansas seems like a natural fit for the B10 (paired with UConn). You would think that both Kansas State or TCU would go to the SEC along with WVU; I think that the SEC would take Kansas State instead of TCU.

TCU, Baylor and Iowa State would come over to the AAC before they would move to the MWC. At this point, the AAC could offer BYU for football only; we might get a "yes".

Worst case scenario is you get a new form of SWC. The Texas schools are enough to form a core to form around and have a conference with some filler.

(10-22-2013 10:17 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Bingo. The B12 may expand but not without the understanding (with the additions) that they will be around for a long while.

In the meantime, they only dissolve if the Pac12 moves first.

The PAC already tried to dismember the Big 12. How did that work out?

When the SEC made the Big 12 its partner in the Sugar Bowl, that ensured Big 12 stability for at least the next 7 or so years. And there's little use in speculating about what might happen that far out. Way too much can happen between now and then.

(10-22-2013 02:03 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 01:33 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 12:59 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I heard today that Luck to Texas is a done deal and will be announced within two weeks. Whit Babcock from Cincy seems to be the replacement name being thrown around the most but that's far from a lock.

I have heard that too but, is the source from the dude?

Nah a much more reliable source. I don't worship at the altar of the Dude. Whit will definitely be considered and a top candidate

WVU will try to pry away a bigger name first I bet. Like the Oregon dude that has ties to the area.

Chris Bains‏@cinbinbains
"@TuxedoYoda: Talk of B12 going to 14 with UCF, USF, Cinci & BYU (fball only) popping up in Bellmont in Austin this week, I was told." OTAY.

oh please let this be true :)

My guess is if Luck becomes the new AD of Texas, the Big 12 expands. I still believe the top candidates are: UCF, USF, Cincinnati, BYU, and UConn in no particular order.

(10-23-2013 04:59 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  My guess is if Luck becomes the new AD of Texas, the Big 12 expands. I still believe the top candidates are: UCF, USF, Cincinnati, BYU, and UConn in no particular order.

"The Dude" and MHver3 are not on the same page with this one. The Dude says Big-12 expansion is dead unless the playoff or D-4 heavily weights or requires a championship game. He claims the existing B-12 teams would take a pay cut with the current list of possible expansion candidates.

MHver3 disagrees. He says that there is a clause in the ESPN and Fox contracts that will keep all existing members whole if they expand to 12. Expansion to 14 would require a pay cut.

Personally, I suspect that expansion to 12 (or even 14) might be possible and even result in a slight increase in existing payouts to existing members. But that is only possible if the new teams come in at a reduced half-share. Is UCF, Cinci, USF, BYU, or UConn going to say "no" to a power conference invite becuase they only receive a half share? I doubt it. Especially since that half share will represent 5 times the pitiful amount they currently are set to earn from media rights (to be accurate, its probably only 2-3 times what BYU makes--but for everyone else, 5X is fairly close).

(10-23-2013 10:16 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Chris Bains‏@cinbinbains
"@TuxedoYoda: Talk of B12 going to 14 with UCF, USF, Cinci & BYU (fball only) popping up in Bellmont in Austin this week, I was told." OTAY.

First off...its Tux Yoda. Secondly, similar lines to this have been posted too many times to count for the past 2 years.

It will be hilarious if it actually happens.

(10-18-2013 11:25 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 11:20 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 11:08 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Louisville had a number of advantages but one significant flaw, it wasn't located in Texas. For the remaining B12 schools, this was an important requirement.

TCU was absolutely the right team at the right time. Those arguing against it, simply do not comprehend that TCU was VITAL to saving the very TV contract that held the Big 12 together while they regrouped.

I’m not disputing your post. However, I can’t find any info that substantiates TCU was necessary for the B12’s contract. If you have a link to this info, please provide it and I’ll be done with this discussion.

Sorry, never saw this post. Fox told the Big 12 that if they wanted to keep their new contract, they had to approve any additions. TCU was consider by Fox an acceptable replacement for Texas A&M. While they did not expressly say so, it was obvious they wanted another Texas team to replace them. When Missouri left, when the Big 12 was looking at Louisville again and at WVU, Fox, who only televises Big 12 football, more or less demanded they add WVU (oddly even with that, it was still not a unanimous vote) as part of Louisville's value, as a brand at whole, was irrelevant to Fox since they did not televise any other Big 12 sports.

(10-22-2013 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 12:54 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  I can totally see a B1G or SEC fan talking down to the PAC about their ratings. But a B12 fan? Meh.

You do have serious reading comprehension issues:
AL-AR 1.33 ESPN
OU-KU 1.19 ESPN
TCU-Okie St. 1.1 Fox
Oregon ST.-Cal FS1 0.73

(in case its just that you are a liberal arts person, 1.1 is greater than 0.73)

Bullet, a 0.73 rating on FS1 is about the equivalent of a 1.1 rating on Fox when you factor in availability. FS1 is in 73% of the homes that Big Fox is in and the rating for that game was a factor of 67%. Add in the time difference, the OU/TCU game at 7:00.

If you want to see hwo ratings compare for games on Fox this year between the two, here is how they stack up thru week 7 (October 12):

_________________Big Fox________________Fox Sports 1________
Conf_____Gm______Rat_____ Viewers____Gm____Rating____Viewers
Big 12____3_______1.37_____2,283,333__12____ 0.25_____392,833
PAC12____3_______1.433____2,320,000__9_____0.39_____657,000
C-USA____0_______0.0______0000000___6_____0.13_____172,666

The Big Fox games are a pretty straight forward comparison, as they are all prime time 7:00 games save for the 3:30 Baylor/KSU game. With FS1, of the Big 12 games 6 are noon games, 1 is an afternoon game (4:00), 2 are early evening games (6 or 6:30) and 3 ar east coast prime time. For the PAC 12 3 were afternoon games, 1 was east coast prime time, and 5 were west coast primetime (after 10:00).

You might want to rethink your post there hoss.