(10-08-2013 07:49 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 06:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Three more names I saw announced on Gameday this morning:

Steve Weiberg - former USA Today sportswriter
Tom Osborne - former Nebraska HC and AD
Tyrone Willingham - former Notre Dame and Washington HC

Oh where is TerryD when you need him. Guess Willingham is out of the running for USC HC?

The Tom Osborne pick up is a great one.

He's terrible. Not objective.

Definitely overflowing with ND connections. Is Jack Swarbick picking the committee?

Right, because you know him personally enough to make that kind of statement about him in regards to how he will act on the committee?

Sure thing Texas fan, sure thing.

I've seen his public comments for decades. He's a more under control Bo Pellini.

(10-08-2013 06:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Three more names I saw announced on Gameday this morning:

Steve Weiberg - former USA Today sportswriter
Tom Osborne - former Nebraska HC and AD
Tyrone Willingham - former Notre Dame and Washington HC

Oh where is TerryD when you need him. Guess Willingham is out of the running for USC HC?

The Tom Osborne pick up is a great one.

He's terrible. Not objective.

Definitely overflowing with ND connections. Is Jack Swarbick picking the committee?

This is what you're getting with Osborne on the selection committee:

In the 1990 season, Colorado was #1 in both polls before the bowls and Georgia Tech was #2. CU and GT both won their bowls. CU finished first in the AP poll, but GT won the coaches' poll by one point because Osborne dropped CU down to #10 on his final ballot.

The blowback on Condi Rice's selection from Pat Dye/David Pollack types is amusing.

(10-08-2013 06:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Three more names I saw announced on Gameday this morning:

Steve Weiberg - former USA Today sportswriter
Tom Osborne - former Nebraska HC and AD
Tyrone Willingham - former Notre Dame and Washington HC

Oh where is TerryD when you need him. Guess Willingham is out of the running for USC HC?

The Tom Osborne pick up is a great one.

He's terrible. Not objective.

Definitely overflowing with ND connections. Is Jack Swarbick picking the committee?

Ty Willingham is a lazy individual and may rank as one of the worst head coaches in modern day college football history.

He spent more time at ND's Warren Golf Course than anywhere else when he was ND's "head coach".

His recruiting rankings at ND were abysmal. The guys he did "recruit" ended up transferring to play at places like Delaware.

If anyone thinks he will be pro-ND, they are kidding themselves. He has no positive feelings towards the Irish, and it is astronomically mutual.

I sure hope that Jack Swarbrick is picking the committee. If he is, though, he needs to do a better job of it (like picking himself).

(10-08-2013 11:27 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The blowback on Condi Rice's selection from Pat Dye/David Pollack types is amusing.

And what "type" is that? I think they speak for themselves, or are you trying to stereotype Southerners again? If it is ignorant for someone to do it, then it is ignorant for anyone to do it. So in essence your comment attempts to do the very thing of which you are accusing Dye and Pollack. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it is well reasoned or not. You can't prevent ignorance, but you can try to enlighten it. And, if we all accepted that every group of people has individuals in it that do not represent the views of the group as a whole, and just recognized this fact instead of trying to knock the group they are a part of, we would all live in a better world.

I chose to respond to this because I hear that from some of your posts often enough, even though it is usually mild and sometimes humorous and sometimes not, and because this board has had way to much of it lately.

Type as in ex jock/coaches who have an absurdly elevated sense of their own importance and intelligence.

Terry -
"He (Willingham) spent more time at ND's Warren Golf Course than anywhere else when he was ND's "head coach".

You've earned all of your respect on this board, so I'm surprised to read this hyperbole. More time at the golf course than his office? The practice field? The stadium? Combined?

Keep on keepin' on with the standard good posts (the above grievance exceptetd)...

(10-08-2013 11:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Type as in ex jock/coaches who have an absurdly elevated sense of their own importance and intelligence.

And yet there are ex jocks and ex coaches who are wonderfully reasonable people. Dye and Pollack both spoke only for themselves and Pollack recanted the same day. Dye is now an old guy who grew up in the 50's and 60's and has chosen to cling to the attitudes of that era for his world view. And that's about the extent of it.

Unfortunately we chose to select 4 teams instead of taking the top 4 conference champions. I regret we need a committee at all. I wanted a structural change to 4 super conferences for only 1 reason. It could yield 4 champions decided by conference play so that the kids who actually invest themselves into the game could decide their own fate on the field and so those young people didn't have to place their body of work into the hands of a committee where, based upon past history, political decisions are made which have proven at times to be unjust.

(10-04-2013 09:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People need to let go of their ideals. Live in the real world and you will be much less disappointed when reality happens.

Condi Rice is more than just a previous Secretary of State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

Quote:At Stanford, in 1992, Rice volunteered to serve on the search committee to replace outgoing president Donald Kennedy. The committee ultimately recommended Gerhard Casper, the Provost of the University of Chicago. Casper met Rice during this search, and was so impressed that in 1993, he appointed her as Stanford's Provost, the chief budget and academic officer of the university in 1993[21] and she also was granted tenure and became full professor.[22] Rice was the first female, first minority, and youngest Provost in Stanford history.[23] She was also named a senior fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a senior fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.

Provost promotion

Former Stanford President Gerhard Casper said the university was "most fortunate in persuading someone of Professor Rice's exceptional talents and proven ability in critical situations to take on this task. Everything she has done, she has done well; I have every confidence that she will continue that record as provost."[24] Acknowledging Rice's unique character, Casper told the New Yorker in 2002 that it "would be disingenuous for me to say that the fact that she was a woman, the fact that she was black and the fact that she was young weren't in my mind."[25]

Balancing school budget

As Stanford's Provost, Rice was responsible for managing the university's multi-billion dollar budget. The school at that time was running a deficit of $20 million. When Rice took office, she promised that the budget would be balanced within "two years." Coit Blacker, Stanford's deputy director of the Institute for International Studies, said there "was a sort of conventional wisdom that said it couldn't be done... that [the deficit] was structural, that we just had to live with it." Two years later, Rice announced that the deficit had been eliminated and the university was holding a record surplus of over $14.5 million.

She is a specialist in Political Science. If you don't think that correlates into a position on the Playoff Committee then you don't understand just how difficult it will be for those Committee members to choose just four teams.

She was the Provost at Stanford. That is a position that really says something about a person. When that person takes a 20 million deficit and turns it into a 14 million dollar surplus in two years? Yeah, that is F'n impressive, period.

Folks need to sometimes put their politics aside and see the other facets of fellow Americans. She is a very talented and intelligent individual. In my opinion they are actually facing the task of filling that committee in an intelligent way. They are getting people that can face the fire and not be easily compromised. Of course each of the Major Conferences would get a biased representative so that is not who I am talking about. Their more independent choices seem to be good ones too.

I don't see what the problem is? Some folks seem to have been half cocked and ready to jump on this no matter whom would be announced.

I have the greatest respect for Dr. Rice and her intergity and intelligence, as well as her accomplishments. But how much does she really know about the finer points of playing college football.

I just would like to see more people on the committee that have personal experience with the game. People like Roger Staubauch, John Robinson and Grant Teaff.

Dr. Rice is as knowledgeable about college football as anyone.
Great choice for this.
And this is coming from someone that despises most everything about Dubya and his admin

(10-04-2013 12:48 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 12:11 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:37 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Tranghese? What the hell does he know about football, other than how to run a football conference into the ground?

You've got to be kidding me...

Trainedgeese is the most laughable member of this committee by far. If you were putting him on a basketball tourney selection committee sure.

He did run a BCS conference, so its not like he is a joke. So far, he is the closest thing to a G-5 point of view on what looks to be a pretty incestuous committee.

The BCS program he ran no longer exists, primarily because he was running it. So yes, he is a joke on this committee...

Maybe it was all part of a secret P5 master plan.

(10-08-2013 11:57 AM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  Terry -
"He (Willingham) spent more time at ND's Warren Golf Course than anywhere else when he was ND's "head coach".

You've earned all of your respect on this board, so I'm surprised to read this hyperbole. More time at the golf course than his office? The practice field? The stadium? Combined?

Keep on keepin' on with the standard good posts (the above grievance exceptetd)...

http://www.webgolfer.com/spring04/spring0304-10.pdf




"Work Ethic

Tyrone Willingham was lazy, with a capital L-A-Z-Y. I'm sure he has a lot of other fine qualities, but working hard wasn't among them during his ND tenure.

Don't believe me? A[b]sk the operators of Warren Golf Course and other courses around the South Bend area, who were asked not to record the number of rounds Willingham was playing on a daily basis, to shield him both from a handicap adjustment and criticism from ND fans who might have been disturbed about how much time he was spending there. [/b]Or ask golfers on the course, who would find Willingham joining their groups around the third hole and leaving them on the 16th or 17th (and not speaking to them during the round, of course), all to avoid the already-mentioned recording of rounds. By all estimates, Willingham was playing four to six rounds of golf per week during seasons where his teams were getting steamrolled on the field and his coaches were getting steamrolled in recruiting off of it.

Or ask the coaches of high school prospects Willingham pursued. Instead of spending an hour or two getting to know them and showing them why their charges would benefit from his tutelage at Notre Dame, Willingham would meet with them for a token 10 or 15 minutes, and then head to his rental car (which, more often than not, had his golf clubs in the back seat). This really turned the coaches off, and had a not-insignificant affect on recruiting efforts.

Or ask the recruits who would show up for visits, only to find no coaches available to greet them or answer their questions. This happened multiple times during Willingham's tenure at Notre Dame, meaning he was either excessively disorganized or just didn't care.

Or ask the members of the Board of Trustees who, after the dismal 2003 campaign, wanted to discuss the problems and potential solutions with Willingham. Trouble is, they couldn't find him. He and the rest of his assistants, days after signing an unranked recruiting class, were enjoying a golf junket in Florida. Needless to say, the BOT called them all back from vacation and told them to get to work. Didn't do much good; the 2004 class wasn't anything to shout about either."

http://www.ndnation.com/geetar/archive/2...chive.html

http://business.highbeam.com/437043/arti...willingham

(10-09-2013 06:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 11:57 AM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  Terry -
"He (Willingham) spent more time at ND's Warren Golf Course than anywhere else when he was ND's "head coach".

You've earned all of your respect on this board, so I'm surprised to read this hyperbole. More time at the golf course than his office? The practice field? The stadium? Combined?

Keep on keepin' on with the standard good posts (the above grievance exceptetd)...

http://www.webgolfer.com/spring04/spring0304-10.pdf




"Work Ethic

Tyrone Willingham was lazy, with a capital L-A-Z-Y. I'm sure he has a lot of other fine qualities, but working hard wasn't among them during his ND tenure.

Don't believe me? A[b]sk the operators of Warren Golf Course and other courses around the South Bend area, who were asked not to record the number of rounds Willingham was playing on a daily basis, to shield him both from a handicap adjustment and criticism from ND fans who might have been disturbed about how much time he was spending there. [/b]Or ask golfers on the course, who would find Willingham joining their groups around the third hole and leaving them on the 16th or 17th (and not speaking to them during the round, of course), all to avoid the already-mentioned recording of rounds. By all estimates, Willingham was playing four to six rounds of golf per week during seasons where his teams were getting steamrolled on the field and his coaches were getting steamrolled in recruiting off of it.

Or ask the coaches of high school prospects Willingham pursued. Instead of spending an hour or two getting to know them and showing them why their charges would benefit from his tutelage at Notre Dame, Willingham would meet with them for a token 10 or 15 minutes, and then head to his rental car (which, more often than not, had his golf clubs in the back seat). This really turned the coaches off, and had a not-insignificant affect on recruiting efforts.

Or ask the recruits who would show up for visits, only to find no coaches available to greet them or answer their questions. This happened multiple times during Willingham's tenure at Notre Dame, meaning he was either excessively disorganized or just didn't care.

Or ask the members of the Board of Trustees who, after the dismal 2003 campaign, wanted to discuss the problems and potential solutions with Willingham. Trouble is, they couldn't find him. He and the rest of his assistants, days after signing an unranked recruiting class, were enjoying a golf junket in Florida. Needless to say, the BOT called them all back from vacation and told them to get to work. Didn't do much good; the 2004 class wasn't anything to shout about either."

http://www.ndnation.com/geetar/archive/2...chive.html

http://business.highbeam.com/437043/arti...willingham

Sounds like he was working very hard-on his golf game.

Apparently it was futile, else why would they try to shield him from figuring out his handicap?

I was perplexed by Condoleezza Rice's inclusion on the selection committee, and now I see that it looks like she choses her speaking engagements to coincide with Stanford's road games. Who knew?
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=27190481&nid=148...id=queue-3

Tyrone Willingham? Coaching record of 76-88-1. Couldn't win at Notre Dame. Couldn't win at Stanford. What credentials?

(10-10-2013 12:45 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Tyrone Willingham? Coaching record of 76-88-1. Couldn't win at Notre Dame. Couldn't win at Stanford. What credentials?

He is a good golfer...

Oh and you forgot his Washington record which was 11-37

(10-05-2013 09:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  As long as they don't put Lee Corso or anyone associated with one of the networks on the panel. But I want to see the committee in action before I commit myself one way or the other...

That's why I want to see the P5 pared down to the P4. If we ever get that far then a champions only format that eliminates the *&*% politics is our only hope of ever just settling this on the field, which in my opinion is the only way to do it period.

You can do that with 8 team playoff.

(10-10-2013 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  As long as they don't put Lee Corso or anyone associated with one of the networks on the panel. But I want to see the committee in action before I commit myself one way or the other...

That's why I want to see the P5 pared down to the P4. If we ever get that far then a champions only format that eliminates the *&*% politics is our only hope of ever just settling this on the field, which in my opinion is the only way to do it period.

You can do that with 8 team playoff.

I could easily see the Major Conferences not allowing an 8 team National until they get their own Conference Tournaments first. The Basketball Tournament and all the comments about it by these people is enough of a lesson to know these folks will look to getting their conferences something first.

We are already seeing a season with a very real possibility of ending with more than four undefeated teams at or near the top of the rankings. If that happens this year, you can damn well guarantee the media will be buzzing about how we didn't even have to have a 4 team tournament yet to already know that it wouldn't be inclusive enough.

It will be official on Wednesday, but the 13 members that were leaked last weekend are it.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-committee

Arkansas AD Jeff Long will be the chairman.

Quote:• Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez

• Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Gould, a former Air Force Academy superintendent

• USC athletic director Pat Haden

• Former NCAA executive vice president Tom Jernstedt

• West Virginia athletic director Oliver Luck

• Former NFL and Ole Miss quarterback Archie Manning

• Former Nebraska athletic director/coach Tom Osborne

• Clemson athletic director Dan Radakovich

• Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

• Former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese

• Former USA Today reporter Steve Wieberg

• Former Stanford/Notre Dame/Washington coach Tyrone Willingham

So no direct G5 representation on the committee. The best they have is Mike Tranghese (peripheral at best) and Lt. Gen. Gould (who's retired).

(10-14-2013 11:27 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  It will be official on Wednesday, but the 13 members that were leaked last weekend are it.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-committee

Arkansas AD Jeff Long will be the chairman.

Quote:• Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez

• Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Gould, a former Air Force Academy superintendent

• USC athletic director Pat Haden

• Former NCAA executive vice president Tom Jernstedt

• West Virginia athletic director Oliver Luck

• Former NFL and Ole Miss quarterback Archie Manning

• Former Nebraska athletic director/coach Tom Osborne

• Clemson athletic director Dan Radakovich

• Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

• Former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese

• Former USA Today reporter Steve Wieberg

• Former Stanford/Notre Dame/Washington coach Tyrone Willingham

So no direct G5 representation on the committee. The best they have is Mike Tranghese (peripheral at best) and Lt. Gen. Gould (who's retired).

Retired is good for this job. I'm more concerned about the non-retired members. They presumably have their hands full with their day jobs. (Would you want your school to have an AD who cut back to half-time during football season so that he could focus on the football committee?) How much time are they going to spend on this? Are they going to have thoroughly researched each contender by watching actual games, or are they going to go by "name" and "buzz" and their own biases like the coaches who vote in the coaches' poll. I suspect the latter. Feel free to disagree if you are less cynical.