That's one awful football team this year.

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Mike Haywood is available.

I think Miami OH has a lot of respect around the country with their past performance, they need to return to relevance.

Holtz and the two other dudes on ESPN just had faux courtroom face off RE: practice of firing of college coches midseason after USC and UConn coaches were axed.

Is this the new trend? Holtz was declared the winner of debate holding in opposition to the practice.

Your thoughts if good or bad for players as student athletes, alums, university or not?Think about Novaks first few seasons before rushing to judgement.

That was necessary, that program has far too much success to be so terrible.

Maybe they want to make a run at Lane Kifman... Ha


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all about recruiting. need to hire new coach asap

Yeah, but at least their hip, new uniforms are cool (not).

Treadwell was not successful at Miami. However, with the exception of a coach doing something dishonest or unethical, I think that the change should occur after the end of the season.

(10-06-2013 03:34 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Treadwell was not successful at Miami. However, with the exception of a coach doing something dishonest or unethical, I think that the change should occur after the end of the season.

I think the mid-season fire shows just how inept and rock bottom Miami has become as a football program. It had reached such depths that I think the AD had to act, regardless of how nice a guy Treadwell is, or if this sets new precedence.

If this continues BCS programs will start raiding successful non AQ coaches mid season. It is bad enough to lose a HC just prior to a Bowl Game.

I do not like seeing this and I do fear that it will become a trend.

I don't think it will become a trend.

It is strange seeing Miami that bad. The MAC needs a stronger Miami team.

(10-06-2013 04:36 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  If this continues BCS programs will start raiding successful non AQ coaches mid season. It is bad enough to lose a HC just prior to a Bowl Game.

I do not like seeing this and I do fear that it will become a trend.

I was just thinking what good does firing him now do, they can't get a new coach in the middle of the season. But they will start raiding smaller programs in the middle of the season. They better come up with some rules to stop that from happening. They should have to wait until all bowl or playoff games are over, but that train already passed.

If they want to try out someone on the current staff for possible next head coach, it's not a bad idea.

(10-06-2013 04:44 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  I was just thinking what good does firing him now do

They obviously felt that they needed an attitude and emotional change immediately. It also allows them to see what they have in their interim coach. They may want to find out if he is a capable replacement. Also lets them start recruiting with the knowledge that they'll have a new coach...might be better off doing it now instead of firing the guy two months before signing day and not having time to replace any verbals that bail.

So, it's OK to hire/fire after YOUR season is over but, not if YOU still have games scheduled?

Hhhmmm... About any argument you formulate, it's going to be riddled with hypocrisy and inconsistency. It is a beast that needs to be tamed.

Today, the only ones who benefit are the top upper shelf institutions who dictate the rules of the game.

Until someone (insert NCAA / Congress) does something about this, Jerry Kill will still be interviewing for jobs (& he should for life changing $$$) while he still has games on HIS schedule. Why? Because the Powers that be don't give 2 $hit$ about the lower tier conferences.

If he is doing that, why shouldn't Miami get a jump on their replacement, take an existing guy for a test drive, then do an exhaustive search?

Actually, it sucks but, I'm glad to see it happen... It opens everyone's eyes to the fact that loyalty/education mean jack, $$$ drives the bus.

(10-06-2013 06:07 PM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  So, it's OK to hire/fire after YOUR season is over but, not if YOU still have games scheduled?

Hhhmmm... About any argument you formulate, it's going to be riddled with hypocrisy and inconsistency. It is a beast that needs to be tamed.

Today, the only ones who benefit are the top upper shelf institutions who dictate the rules of the game.

Until someone (insert NCAA / Congress) does something about this, Jerry Kill will still be interviewing for jobs (& he should for life changing $$$) while he still has games on HIS schedule. Why? Because the Powers that be don't give 2 $hit$ about the lower tier conferences.

If he is doing that, why shouldn't Miami get a jump on their replacement, take an existing guy for a test drive, then do an exhaustive search?

Actually, it sucks but, I'm glad to see it happen... It opens everyone's eyes to the fact that loyalty/education mean jack, $$$ drives the bus.

Really? You've never interviewed for a job while still doing your current job? I'm not sure how that gets spun into the powers that be don't give 2 sh3ts etc. etc.

(10-06-2013 06:07 PM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  So, it's OK to hire/fire after YOUR season is over but, not if YOU still have games scheduled?

Hhhmmm... About any argument you formulate, it's going to be riddled with hypocrisy and inconsistency. It is a beast that needs to be tamed.

Today, the only ones who benefit are the top upper shelf institutions who dictate the rules of the game.

Until someone (insert NCAA / Congress) does something about this, Jerry Kill will still be interviewing for jobs (& he should for life changing $$$) while he still has games on HIS schedule. Why? Because the Powers that be don't give 2 $hit$ about the lower tier conferences.

If he is doing that, why shouldn't Miami get a jump on their replacement, take an existing guy for a test drive, then do an exhaustive search?

Actually, it sucks but, I'm glad to see it happen... It opens everyone's eyes to the fact that loyalty/education mean jack, $$$ drives the bus.

Money has been driving the NCAA sports bus for years. It could be TV money , alumni money, conference money or required student fees. Why do you think we have lost so many good people the last couple of years. They follow the money. Would you turn down $400,000 raise because you love NIU? You get on the bus.

(10-06-2013 07:26 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 06:07 PM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  So, it's OK to hire/fire after YOUR season is over but, not if YOU still have games scheduled?

Hhhmmm... About any argument you formulate, it's going to be riddled with hypocrisy and inconsistency. It is a beast that needs to be tamed.

Today, the only ones who benefit are the top upper shelf institutions who dictate the rules of the game.

Until someone (insert NCAA / Congress) does something about this, Jerry Kill will still be interviewing for jobs (& he should for life changing $$$) while he still has games on HIS schedule. Why? Because the Powers that be don't give 2 $hit$ about the lower tier conferences.

If he is doing that, why shouldn't Miami get a jump on their replacement, take an existing guy for a test drive, then do an exhaustive search?

Actually, it sucks but, I'm glad to see it happen... It opens everyone's eyes to the fact that loyalty/education mean jack, $$$ drives the bus.

Really? You've never interviewed for a job while still doing your current job? I'm not sure how that gets spun into the powers that be don't give 2 sh3ts etc. etc.

You missed my point - HE SHOULD DO IT. YOU SHOULD DO IT. Unfortunately, that's the nature of the Beast and the system. Hence, the problem that needs to be fixed. As long as the Power Conferences drive the bus and, distribute the checks, good luck changing it.

(10-06-2013 07:35 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 06:07 PM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  So, it's OK to hire/fire after YOUR season is over but, not if YOU still have games scheduled?

Hhhmmm... About any argument you formulate, it's going to be riddled with hypocrisy and inconsistency. It is a beast that needs to be tamed.

Today, the only ones who benefit are the top upper shelf institutions who dictate the rules of the game.

Until someone (insert NCAA / Congress) does something about this, Jerry Kill will still be interviewing for jobs (& he should for life changing $$$) while he still has games on HIS schedule. Why? Because the Powers that be don't give 2 $hit$ about the lower tier conferences.

If he is doing that, why shouldn't Miami get a jump on their replacement, take an existing guy for a test drive, then do an exhaustive search?

Actually, it sucks but, I'm glad to see it happen... It opens everyone's eyes to the fact that loyalty/education mean jack, $$$ drives the bus.

Money has been driving the NCAA sports bus for years. It could be TV money , alumni money, conference money or required student fees. Why do you think we have lost so many good people the last couple of years. They follow the money. Would you turn down $400,000 raise because you love NIU? You get on the bus.

Kill should have followed the $. Doeren should have followed the $. It's life changing $.

Similarly, management should also use all the tools at their disposal to run their business. Why waste an entire season if you know a change is eminent? For "loyalty"? Please - loyalty is a word that is sold on the recruiting trail. Nothing more, nothing less.

The system is set up to drive $$$. I'm not complaining - it is what it is. Adapt and treat it is as such. If it wasn't about the $, Nick Saban wouldn't be making more than the President of the most powerful country in the world.