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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange So Far Is In The 'Single Digits'
Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

I expect this number to climb over the next few months, but even I am shocked at the initial failure so far. The technical problems with the site I would imagine will be worked out eventually. Though why they did not delay something that was clearly not ready to go makes no sense. Any business would not have chosen to go forward until they were more ready. Seems like the Republican request for a delay is prudent in that respect. Time will tell, I guess:

Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, Is In The 'Single Digits'
10/03/2013 @ 12:20PM Avik Roy FORBES

On October 1, Obamacare’s subsidized insurance exchanges went live. Most of the exchange websites crashed on the first day, a development that led some of the law’s supporters to conclude that there was overwhelming demand for Obamacare’s insurance products. But the Obama administration isn’t releasing figures as to the number of Americans who have actually signed up for exchange-based coverage. “Very, very few people that we’re aware of have enrolled in the federal exchange,” said one insurance industry official to the Washington Post. “We are talking single digits.”

Exchange agencies walk back high-traffic hype

Other exchanges have had to pare down their initial statistics. Covered California, that state’s subsidized insurance exchange, initially claimed that its website had received 5 million hits on October 1. They later had to revise that number down 87 percent, to 645,000. KUSI-TV in San Diego is reporting that after the exchanges opened, with all the traffic, not one policy has yet been sold on the California exchange. (poster's comment: really? the seventh biggest economy in the world and NOT ONE SOLD??)

According to Megan McArdle, high traffic alone doesn’t explain why the federal healthcare.gov website is having so many issues. For example, the drop-down boxes for security questions aren’t working, which shouldn’t be a traffic-related problem. “The drop-down thing is mystifying,” a programmer source told McArdle. It “could very easily be because deadline pressure caused them to take some shortcuts that impacted their ability to scale.”

Glitches around traffic and web server loads will be relatively easy to fix. The real question is this: will healthier and younger individuals, who stand to face steep premium hikes under Obamacare, pay up? A Manhattan Institute study I helped conduct suggests that average to younger-than-average men will face underlying rate hikes of 97 to 99 percent, with women facing increases of 55 to 62 percent.

AAF: 30-year-old men face average premium hikes of 260%
A new study from the American Action Forum that looks at healthy 30-year-old men finds that underlying premiums for those individuals will increase by an average of 260 percent. The AAF study compared the least-expensive plans available today to the cheapest plans on the Obamacare exchanges, as did the Manhattan Institute study. The MI analysis, by contrast, adjusted those pre-ACA rates to take into account sicker individuals.

In a sense, the AAF study is more relevant to the problem at hand. Obamacare makes healthy people pay more for insurance in order to subsidize sicker people. It makes younger people pay more to subsidize older people. It makes men pay more to subsidize women. It makes everyone pay more to cover benefits, taxes, and fees that consumers might not ordinarily want.

Keep an eye on who enrolls, not just how many
I fully expect that the people who get a good deal out of Obamacare—poorer and sicker individuals—will sign up. The enrollment figures will increase. But the real question isn’t how many people enroll: it’s what kind of people enroll. Two-thirds of the uninsured in America are under the age of 40. What will be the average age of an enrollee on the exchanges? If most enrollees were born before or during the Nixon administration, start worrying.

INVESTORS’ NOTE: Aetna (NYSE:AET), UnitedHealth (NYSE:UNH), WellPoint (NYSE:WLP), Molina (NYSE:MOH), and Humana (NYSE:HUM) are leading players in developing products for health insurance exchanges. Public exchanges, which opened on October 1, are a key feature of Obamacare’s efforts to expand health insurance coverage.
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(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

Man, I'd sure like to know where those places are...lol
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And oh...Avik Roy is a hack.
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(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

I expect this number to climb over the next few months, but even I am shocked at the initial failure so far. The technical problems with the site I would imagine will be worked out eventually. Though why they did not delay something that was clearly not ready to go makes no sense. Any business would not have chosen to go forward until they were more ready. Seems like the Republican request for a delay is prudent in that respect. Time will tell, I guess:

Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, Is In The 'Single Digits'
10/03/2013 @ 12:20PM Avik Roy FORBES

On October 1, Obamacare’s subsidized insurance exchanges went live. Most of the exchange websites crashed on the first day, a development that led some of the law’s supporters to conclude that there was overwhelming demand for Obamacare’s insurance products. But the Obama administration isn’t releasing figures as to the number of Americans who have actually signed up for exchange-based coverage. “Very, very few people that we’re aware of have enrolled in the federal exchange,” said one insurance industry official to the Washington Post. “We are talking single digits.”

Exchange agencies walk back high-traffic hype

Other exchanges have had to pare down their initial statistics. Covered California, that state’s subsidized insurance exchange, initially claimed that its website had received 5 million hits on October 1. They later had to revise that number down 87 percent, to 645,000. KUSI-TV in San Diego is reporting that after the exchanges opened, with all the traffic, not one policy has yet been sold on the California exchange. (poster's comment: really? the seventh biggest economy in the world and NOT ONE SOLD??)

According to Megan McArdle, high traffic alone doesn’t explain why the federal healthcare.gov website is having so many issues. For example, the drop-down boxes for security questions aren’t working, which shouldn’t be a traffic-related problem. “The drop-down thing is mystifying,” a programmer source told McArdle. It “could very easily be because deadline pressure caused them to take some shortcuts that impacted their ability to scale.”

Glitches around traffic and web server loads will be relatively easy to fix. The real question is this: will healthier and younger individuals, who stand to face steep premium hikes under Obamacare, pay up? A Manhattan Institute study I helped conduct suggests that average to younger-than-average men will face underlying rate hikes of 97 to 99 percent, with women facing increases of 55 to 62 percent.

AAF: 30-year-old men face average premium hikes of 260%
A new study from the American Action Forum that looks at healthy 30-year-old men finds that underlying premiums for those individuals will increase by an average of 260 percent. The AAF study compared the least-expensive plans available today to the cheapest plans on the Obamacare exchanges, as did the Manhattan Institute study. The MI analysis, by contrast, adjusted those pre-ACA rates to take into account sicker individuals.

In a sense, the AAF study is more relevant to the problem at hand. Obamacare makes healthy people pay more for insurance in order to subsidize sicker people. It makes younger people pay more to subsidize older people. It makes men pay more to subsidize women. It makes everyone pay more to cover benefits, taxes, and fees that consumers might not ordinarily want.

Keep an eye on who enrolls, not just how many
I fully expect that the people who get a good deal out of Obamacare—poorer and sicker individuals—will sign up. The enrollment figures will increase. But the real question isn’t how many people enroll: it’s what kind of people enroll. Two-thirds of the uninsured in America are under the age of 40. What will be the average age of an enrollee on the exchanges? If most enrollees were born before or during the Nixon administration, start worrying.

INVESTORS’ NOTE: Aetna (NYSE:AET), UnitedHealth (NYSE:UNH), WellPoint (NYSE:WLP), Molina (NYSE:MOH), and Humana (NYSE:HUM) are leading players in developing products for health insurance exchanges. Public exchanges, which opened on October 1, are a key feature of Obamacare’s efforts to expand health insurance coverage.

Interesting - wonder how many of those age groups that Obama and Reid are demanding they bend over and take it with no lube actually will do so........but I am especially proud that Big Businesses and Big Unions get to delay a year, but the average Joe - bend over NOW.04-cheers
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(10-03-2013 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

Man, I'd sure like to know where those places are...lol

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So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.
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(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Are you touting Medicare and SS as successes?
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(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Especially since you have until December 15th to enroll to be covered by January and you have several options in many states. Why would anyone actually enroll the first day anyway? A little research is certainly expected.
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(10-03-2013 04:05 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Are you touting Medicare and SS as successes?

You have parents who rely on medicare to stay alive? I do...and yes...they think it's a pretty good idea.
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(10-03-2013 04:05 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Are you touting Medicare and SS as successes?

You read my mind, plus the space race is over now and the shuttle is grounded.
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(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Not quite. Big business, unions, IRS employees, Congress, and everyone who got waivers decided it was a failure a long time ago.
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(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for [4 years ]2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

They have had 4 years to get this garbage up and going and still cannot get a website up. Holy Cow! Can't wait to see what care will actually look like.
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(10-03-2013 04:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Especially since you have until December 15th to enroll to be covered by January and you have several options in many states. Why would anyone actually enroll the first day anyway? A little research is certainly expected.

But thats not what Obama is saying, they said overwhelming popularity is contesting the servers. Millions of hits. You know, the typical obama used car lies.
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Kentucky has processed more than 3,500 applications so far for individuals or families:

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/healthb...-interest/
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(10-03-2013 03:19 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

Man, I'd sure like to know where those places are...lol

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Go for it, Redwington.

Trolling for rep points? Really?

Its hardly a liberal board. I'm a liberal, as is RWT and a few others on here. That's it.
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(10-03-2013 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

Man, I'd sure like to know where those places are...lol

No one warned me of this. Shouldn't there be some kind of disclaimer and warning posted?
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(10-03-2013 04:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 04:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Obamacare has been around for 2 days and we have already decided it's a failure?

Imagine if we did the same for the space race, cold war, medicare, social security.

Especially since you have until December 15th to enroll to be covered by January and you have several options in many states. Why would anyone actually enroll the first day anyway? A little research is certainly expected.

Uhm... Tom, you do remember when the plan was passed right? 2010. That's 3.75 years to do research. People have either done research and not bought into the system, or provided research they didnt' believe?

Honestly, if people didnt' do research and just took the WH (and MSM's) message to heart, they'd be jumping all over it wouldn't they?
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(10-03-2013 11:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 03:19 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

Man, I'd sure like to know where those places are...lol

I went to Rice University, a very, very small, liberal arts school down in Houston, Tx.
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Go for it, Redwington.

Trolling for rep points? Really?

Its hardly a liberal board. I'm a liberal, as is RWT and a few others on here. That's it.

Hey, if "I'm More Awesome Than You" can do it, why not ask?

I wasn't referring to The Spin Room. One of the other boards I post to can be too serious and get uptight sometimes. I'm more entertained reading this board, so I thought I'd pop over here a bit more often is all. I'm not liberal, more libertarian/conservative, but don't mind opposing opinions, just folks who can't get loose once in a while. No worries if that's cool with you.
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Oh yeah, wonder if that Chad guy and his father from Flintstone, GA were the ones they counted for in the "Single Digits?"
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(10-03-2013 03:19 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-03-2013 02:56 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wanted to post this article here as sometimes I forget that certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs and it can get me (and my rep) down. Positive rep me if you are for freedom in America. Thanks, GoodOwl.

Man, I'd sure like to know where those places are...lol

I went to Rice University, a very, very small, liberal arts school down in Houston, Tx.
Currently demoted to C-UselessA after having once been a founding member of the SWC.
Lifetime, Rice U is 3-0 vs Alabama in Football (I kid you not).
Go for it, Redwington.
I am not sure how that was answering what he said. We all know Rice is in Texass. I too would like to know where these "certain places I post on this board are populated primarily by libs" are.
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