(09-26-2013 10:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Take a look at these articles as well.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

http://www.whatsuppub.com/columns/kappys...0f31a.html

What about those articles? More information, accurate information, has come out since those articles were published. You wouldn't be so ignorant that you would try and make your point by linking to dated and speculative articles, would you?

Speculative? One article interviewed Isaac's dad and he mentions that Isaac began to reconsider when he found out that Floyd was interviewing for the USC job.

You call something that came straight from his father's mouth speculative?

Wow. That's one hell of a standard you keep there bud.

The other article I posted shows exactly when Floyd interviewed for USC.

So in the end I was wrong. Hamilton didn't consider leaving UTEP in April.

IT WAS MORE LIKE MARCH.

Floyd's meeting with USC happened 6 weeks prior to the Memphis game. Second, the article said Isaac's grandmother had hope and we all know the grandmother story was a bunch of BS... Keep on grasping at straws fit, I can't wait till the NCAA investigates USuC for tampering!

(09-27-2013 02:25 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Floyd's meeting with USC happened 6 weeks prior to the Memphis game. Second, the article said Isaac's grandmother had hope and we all know the grandmother story was a bunch of BS... Keep on grasping at straws fit, I can't wait till the NCAA investigates USuC for tampering!

We all know that grandmother's story was B.S.?

Really? So what did you do? Interview grandmother using a lie detector?

(09-27-2013 02:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:25 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Floyd's meeting with USC happened 6 weeks prior to the Memphis game. Second, the article said Isaac's grandmother had hope and we all know the grandmother story was a bunch of BS... Keep on grasping at straws fit, I can't wait till the NCAA investigates USuC for tampering!

We all know that grandmother's story was B.S.?

Really? So what did you do? Interview grandmother using a lie detector?

In his appeal, he changed his bs story to his mother wasn't going to get to see him play because she had to take care of his grandmother? I know it's hard to keep up with all the bs that came from them, but you need to make a better effort at keeping up.

Just because he changed his story doesn't mean that his grandmother did.

Besides, If you read the article correctly, you would see that it was his father that said Isaac was reconsidering going to UTEP because of Floyd's interview.

"Greg Hamilton told ESPN.com that his son started to reconsider his decision when UTEP head coach Tim Floyd spoke with USC about their job opening earlier this year. “That gave Isaac’s grandmother hope that he was going to go to USC,”

(09-27-2013 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Speculative? One article interviewed Isaac's dad and he mentions that Isaac began to reconsider when he found out that Floyd was interviewing for the USC job.

Coach Floyd is also on record as saying he kept the Hamiltons in the loop in regards to the phone conversation he had with USC. Considering Tim Floyd did not interview for the job, I can't take the father's statement seriously. If the father is correct, why didn't we hear anything from him then? Why only after the fact? Tim Floyd came out and said he did not interview for the job and only participated in the conversation to clear his name. Tim Floyd's timeline adds up and is supportive. Greg Hamilton's does not. Whiff.

(09-27-2013 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You call something that came straight from his father's mouth speculative?

Actually, I believe Isaac's dad is a liar and an opportunist.

(09-27-2013 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Wow. That's one hell of a standard you keep there bud.

Thank you.

(09-27-2013 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The other article I posted shows exactly when Floyd interviewed for USC.

When he had a conversation with USC. To clear his name.

(09-27-2013 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So in the end I was wrong.

Just make that your signature and save us all a lot of time.

(09-27-2013 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Hamilton didn't consider leaving UTEP in April.

IT WAS MORE LIKE MARCH.

Then why did the "articles" you read say April? Wouldn't "more like" lend itself to speculation and not fact? Whiff.

1. Coach Floyd is also on record saying that he met with USC about the job opening. Call it whatever you want. He would not have met with USC if he wasn't interested in the job.

2. That you believe Hamilton's dad is a liar is irrelevant. Unless of course you are willing to believe that I believe Floyd is a liar.

3. Perhaps the articles I read didn't say "April". Perhaps since I read them several months ago I did some mental math and drew a conclusion that since Floyd met with USC in March and soon after, Hamilton reconsidered UTEP, that April was a good month to figure that Hamilton didn't want to come to UTEP. Or maybe, I didn't want to overstate what I was going to say so I said April when in fact it was March.

In the end this line of questioning proves that you acknowledge that Hamilton considered changing schools as early as March and you are now looking for a diversion to avoid that fact.




Regardless, the fact that you would grasp at these sorts of straws makes my heart soar.

(09-28-2013 01:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  1. Coach Floyd is also on record saying that he met with USC about the job opening. Call it whatever you want. He would not have met with USC if he wasn't interested in the job.

I won't speculate. He is on record as saying he took the conversation in order to clear his name. USC wouldn't want to talk to him if any of the USC rumors were true. He said he wasn't looking for a job and they never offered him a job. As a matter of fact, he recommended Larry E for the job. Anything other than that is speculation.

(09-28-2013 01:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  3. Perhaps the articles I read didn't say "April". Perhaps since I read them several months ago I did some mental math and drew a conclusion that since Floyd met with USC in March and soon after, Hamilton reconsidered UTEP, that April was a good month to figure that Hamilton didn't want to come to UTEP. Or maybe, I didn't want to overstate what I was going to say so I said April when in fact it was March.

Perhaps? Perhaps? Drew a conclusion? Maybe? Maybe?

You ship is sunk. You said, and I quote, "According to some articles I read, Has asked out in April but was convinced to reconsider." First of all, you never provided those articles. Second, did they April or not? You clearly said the articles said April. Now it's "perhaps?" Now it's "maybe?" Now you are drawing conclusions?

(09-28-2013 01:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In the end this line of questioning proves that you acknowledge that Hamilton considered changing schools as early as March and you are now looking for a diversion to avoid that fact.

Considering his brother committed to UCONN when most considered the Hamiltons a packaged deal, considering Isaac was practicing in the USC gym, considering who is now on the USC coaching staff, why yes, I am sure something happened many months before Isaac's daddy emailed Coach Floyd seeking Isaac's request.

(09-28-2013 01:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Regardless, the fact that you would grasp at these sorts of straws makes my heart soar.

Those things in my post are called facts and sourced info. I am not sure why you call them straws.

1. Why would Floyd have to clear his name?

2. I did provide proof in those articles and what it proved is that Hamilton had regrets going back to March instead of April.

3. Consider whatever you want. You have no idea which Hamilton brother has a closer relationship with his grandmother. What you are doing is pathetic. You are denying everything that Hamilton has said because it is more important to you for UTEP to have a successful season than it is for a grandson to spend time with his grandmother.

4. You call thoes facts? Speculation on the intentions of Hamilton, Grandma, Father, and USC? Those are facts?

Let's see here... Fitbud's argument first started with Hamilton asking for his release in April... Now Fitbud is reduced to saying that it is 'proof' that his dad had said his grandma had hopes of him playing at usUc. Seeing as Hamilton didn't use his grandma as an excuse in his official appeal, how is that proof?

(09-29-2013 12:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  1. Why would Floyd have to clear his name?

Are we playing games now? Very well. He wanted to clear his name because of the OJ Mayo situation. A situation you, yourself, have referenced. A situation Coach Floyd was found clean in. Taking a phone conversation with USC, in Coach Floyd's opinion, cleared his name.

(09-29-2013 12:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  2. I did provide proof in those articles and what it proved is that Hamilton had regrets going back to March instead of April.

You could not even provide the articles much less prove any point. Everything was speculation. Regardless, if Isaac, or his daddy, wanted out in March, he should have requested his release in March. Not at the 11th hour.

(09-29-2013 12:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  3. Consider whatever you want. You have no idea which Hamilton brother has a closer relationship with his grandmother. What you are doing is pathetic. You are denying everything that Hamilton has said because it is more important to you for UTEP to have a successful season than it is for a grandson to spend time with his grandmother.

Absolutely. A man should honor his commitment. What if every adult bailed on his commitment(s) because of an ailing grandparent? That is what is pathetic.

(09-29-2013 12:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  4. You call thoes facts? Speculation on the intentions of Hamilton, Grandma, Father, and USC? Those are facts?

By facts, I was referring to Coach Floyd's 'on the record' and 'timely' statements. Things that have a definitive timeline such as when Isaac's daddy emailed Coach Floyd, when Daniel committed to UCONN, when Isaac was practicing in an USC gym while committed to UTEP, things like that. Those are facts. Those are things we can all go by. Referencing two phantom articles and pretending you are Nancy Drew is not something the rest of us can go by.

You know how I know Fitbud made these?


Because they follow the pattern of his stupid arguments.

A happened because of B, and B happened because of C, and of course, C happened because of A.

1. If Floyd never did anything wrong, he shouldn't have to "clear his name".

2. I provided an article that clearly said that Hamilton had second thoughts about coming to UTEP long before June.

3. If you think that a commitment ot a college is more important than a commitment to a family member, then you are more messed up than I thought. I don't know about you but in my book, family always comes first.

4. Hamilton's father clearly stated in an article that I provided that Hamilton began having second thoughts about coming to UTEP when Floyd interviewed for the USC job. That is a fact Jack.

Anyone can say anything AFTER the fact. Do you, or do you not, have article(s) from April, or is it March now, that says Isaac reconsidered in April and/or March. Or is your whole case resting on what daddy Hamilton said. Also, you said you read more than one article. Link? To an actual article?

(09-29-2013 09:46 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  Anyone can say anything AFTER the fact. Do you, or do you not, have article(s) from April, or is it March now, that says Isaac reconsidered in April and/or March. Or is your whole case resting on what daddy Hamilton said. Also, you said you read more than one article. Link? To an actual article?

I have provided the one article that can still be found on the Internet.

The was an LA times article that is no longer available that is referenced in the ESPN 600 website.

That article actually says that Hamilton in fact contacted Floyd in April and said specifically that he wanted out of his LOI. Floyd convinced him to think about it.

Floyd has also admitted that he called the Hamilton family to assure them that he wasn't going to take the USC job.

Why on earth would he feel the need to do that unless he already knew that Hamilton was having second thoughts?

(09-29-2013 09:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have provided the one article that can still be found on the Internet.

A link to krod.com? That is your source? That is what you claim proved your case? I don't know if that article even exists. I don't know if it was dated in April, oh wait, March, or in the late summer. What article are you talking about?

(09-29-2013 09:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The was an LA times article that is no longer available that is referenced in the ESPN 600 website.

So it is one source of information - assuming int exists. CNN, Fox, ABC, etc can all cover the same story. That is one source.

(09-29-2013 09:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  That article actually says that Hamilton in fact contacted Floyd in April and said specifically that he wanted out of his LOI. Floyd convinced him to think about it.

Provide the article. The date of the article makes a difference. If this is the article which quotes Daddy Hamilton in the late summer then it is not a valid piece of information. Daddy Hamilton can say anything he wants at the 11th hour. The only fact, at this time, is Camp Hamilton requested a release in late summer. That's it. Whether Isaac wanted a McRib in June, whether he was illegally approached by USC in July, whether he wanted out in April, no make that March, doesn't matter. It is all back talk by Daddy Hamilton after the fact and in late summer.

(09-29-2013 09:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Floyd has also admitted that he called the Hamilton family to assure them that he wasn't going to take the USC job.

Yep. In a timely manner too.

(09-29-2013 09:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why on earth would he feel the need to do that unless he already knew that Hamilton was having second thoughts?

You are playing games now. Don't stoop to that level. What happened to all the local forums when word broke about the phone conversation? What was the only topic being talked about on "local sports radio." People jumped the gun.

He called Camp Hamilton and Coach Floyd said they were okay with everything. Coach Floyd's statements are timely and fit the timeline. Daddy Hamilton's do not. If Isaac Hamilton wanted out in April, no make that March, he should not have been tweeting he would be here in the summer as late as two weeks before class started. He had been tweeting about UTEP all calendar year long. That is fact. Back talk, retroactive talk is not.

Fitbud, out of curiosity, when your students write a paper, do they have to provide a work cited page?

(09-30-2013 01:47 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Fitbud, out of curiosity, when your students write a paper, do they have to provide a work cited page?

They just text him a photo of an encyclopedia.

Randaddy

We don't do those kinds of papers in middle school.

Mistabinks

I've already posted the articles that had the information I was referencing. It is up to you to make a decision based on those articles.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.