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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...
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(09-14-2013 09:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...

Thanks Bit, none of those would be too difficult to make up within a two year time span if it had to be.
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(09-14-2013 10:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 09:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...
Thanks Bit, none of those would be too difficult to make up within a two year time span if it had to be.
If the SEC calls, and the Big XII is going under, WVU can be ready in no time flat. Bet on that...
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(09-14-2013 10:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 10:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 09:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...
Thanks Bit, none of those would be too difficult to make up within a two year time span if it had to be.
If the SEC calls, and the Big XII is going under, WVU can be ready in no time flat. Bet on that...

With either the SEC or ACC W.V.U. would be fine. If the SEC then you could reestablish the Pitt or VT game as a crossover. It will be a great thing to be ready though. Right now the Texas situation will be best summed up by a big "?". Buzz out of their leak source is that Dodds early move to a consultant role is a precursor for movement. I understand why W.V.U. is happy to be in the Big 12, but I have to think that you guys would be better off in either the SEC or ACC.

Judging from the Oklahoma folks I've spoken with lately I don't believe there is any fan sentiment there for a move to either the PAC or Big 10. I realize things may be a bit different from their president's perspective. Unlike other theories on this I believe that the remaining top brands of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas (for hoops) will all have a very large say in where they go. So, however this gets worked out I think we are all in for some surprises. But, if the Big 12 stays the course they definitely need to add a pair.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(09-14-2013 09:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...

Pretty sure you guys wouldn't be up in arms about having to give up alcohol sales if it meant you were getting into the SEC. You guys could do as every other school does and tell folks to keep it out of the Stadium. It really cant be that big of a deal and if it does...then I guess that wouldn't speak very highly of the folks in West Virginia.

Getting into the SEC would be huge for WVU, certainly more important than maintaining alcohol sales in the Stadium.
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(09-14-2013 10:42 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 10:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 10:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 09:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...
Thanks Bit, none of those would be too difficult to make up within a two year time span if it had to be.
If the SEC calls, and the Big XII is going under, WVU can be ready in no time flat. Bet on that...

With either the SEC or ACC W.V.U. would be fine. If the SEC then you could reestablish the Pitt or VT game as a crossover. It will be a great thing to be ready though. Right now the Texas situation will be best summed up by a big "?". Buzz out of their leak source is that Dodds early move to a consultant role is a precursor for movement. I understand why W.V.U. is happy to be in the Big 12, but I have to think that you guys would be better off in either the SEC or ACC.

Judging from the Oklahoma folks I've spoken with lately I don't believe there is any fan sentiment there for a move to either the PAC or Big 10. I realize things may be a bit different from their president's perspective. Unlike other theories on this I believe that the remaining top brands of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas (for hoops) will all have a very large say in where they go. So, however this gets worked out I think we are all in for some surprises. But, if the Big 12 stays the course they definitely need to add a pair.

You are wrong and you make a huge overstatement. I go over to Landthieves and post there. There are plenty of fans there that wouldn't mind the Big Ten and some of them prefer the Big Ten. There are those that like the PAC, there are those that like the SEC.

To say none like the Big Ten though...you are letting your bias cloud your vision.
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(09-14-2013 12:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 10:42 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 10:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 10:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 09:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU lacks men's swimming and diving, as well as track, which were discontinued due to Title IX. But Ollie has plans to reinstate the track program once WVU is earning a full Big XII share. I think 2021 was the date proposed, and if required to enter the SEC (in case of a collapse of the B12) all programs could be reinstated sooner. Golf is just getting started back up. I think the first year for golf at WVU is next year. The new baseball park opens next year, or 2015. I forget which, due to all the political wrangling that went on prior to it being approved...

WVU has all the other programs, including some not required, like wrestling, men's soccer, and rifle (all nationally prominent)...
Thanks Bit, none of those would be too difficult to make up within a two year time span if it had to be.
If the SEC calls, and the Big XII is going under, WVU can be ready in no time flat. Bet on that...

With either the SEC or ACC W.V.U. would be fine. If the SEC then you could reestablish the Pitt or VT game as a crossover. It will be a great thing to be ready though. Right now the Texas situation will be best summed up by a big "?". Buzz out of their leak source is that Dodds early move to a consultant role is a precursor for movement. I understand why W.V.U. is happy to be in the Big 12, but I have to think that you guys would be better off in either the SEC or ACC.

Judging from the Oklahoma folks I've spoken with lately I don't believe there is any fan sentiment there for a move to either the PAC or Big 10. I realize things may be a bit different from their president's perspective. Unlike other theories on this I believe that the remaining top brands of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas (for hoops) will all have a very large say in where they go. So, however this gets worked out I think we are all in for some surprises. But, if the Big 12 stays the course they definitely need to add a pair.

You are wrong and you make a huge overstatement. I go over to Landthieves and post there. There are plenty of fans there that wouldn't mind the Big Ten and some of them prefer the Big Ten. There are those that like the PAC, there are those that like the SEC.

To say none like the Big Ten though...you are letting your bias cloud your vision.

He1nous, I'm quite happy with our 14. This isn't worth arguing about, especially since we both agree on what is likely to happen. At this stage in the game it's all gravy for the Big 10 and SEC anyway. There are teams I would prefer to see the SEC get and teams I know you would prefer to see the Big 10 get. Where they go who knows. It will be their decision not ours. None of the Big 12 teams are really terrible. It's just that only 2 of them are name brand for football and one for basketball. Then there are some strong programs with good sports in all areas. Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor, West Virginia would fall into that category. Iowa State is competitive has a decent market and is AAU. T.C.U. in my opinion is the weakest in that their sports aren't strong across the board. Their baseball is great, but whether or not they sustain football prominence is at question. Texas Tech would be great to have if they were closer. So it doesn't matter really.
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if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?
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(09-14-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?

They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(09-14-2013 11:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?

They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.

It would require a 75% vote right? A&M, Missouri and Arkansas for sure could be counted on for no votes. Schools like LSU would probably dislike the idea. I highly doubt Alabama would be for it. I bet atleast one of the Mississippi's wouldn't vote for them (State). Enough votes could be found to block them I'm sure.

As we both know though, Texas is very unlikely to ever "degrade" themselves in such a way as to beg to follow in the footsteps of the Aggies. They have other options.


On a side note, looks like Shaggybevo forum has been shuttered up. 07-coffee3
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(09-14-2013 11:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?

They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.

It would require a 75% vote right? A&M, Missouri and Arkansas for sure could be counted on for no votes. Schools like LSU would probably dislike the idea. I highly doubt Alabama would be for it. I bet atleast one of the Mississippi's wouldn't vote for them (State). Enough votes could be found to block them I'm sure.

As we both know though, Texas is very unlikely to ever "degrade" themselves in such a way as to beg to follow in the footsteps of the Aggies. They have other options.


On a side note, looks like Shaggybevo forum has been shuttered up. 07-coffee3

The real issue is money. If Texas made everyone a lot more money they would be invited. Oklahoma would be accepted in a heartbeat. There are probably 6 schools left out there that the SEC would say yes to within an hour: Virginia, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Virginia Tech if Virginia was not interested and N.C. State if North Carolina was not interested. Texas would likely get a yes if they wanted in because the value their brand would add to the conference would pave their way.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(09-14-2013 11:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?

They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.

It would require a 75% vote right? A&M, Missouri and Arkansas for sure could be counted on for no votes. Schools like LSU would probably dislike the idea. I highly doubt Alabama would be for it. I bet atleast one of the Mississippi's wouldn't vote for them (State). Enough votes could be found to block them I'm sure.

As we both know though, Texas is very unlikely to ever "degrade" themselves in such a way as to beg to follow in the footsteps of the Aggies. They have other options.


On a side note, looks like Shaggybevo forum has been shuttered up. 07-coffee3
Arkansas wouldn't vote against adding Texas. It was Arkansas that tried to get A&M and UT to follow us to the SEC from the SWC. The UofA and the UofT have had a great relationship for years.
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(09-14-2013 11:46 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?

They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.

It would require a 75% vote right? A&M, Missouri and Arkansas for sure could be counted on for no votes. Schools like LSU would probably dislike the idea. I highly doubt Alabama would be for it. I bet atleast one of the Mississippi's wouldn't vote for them (State). Enough votes could be found to block them I'm sure.

As we both know though, Texas is very unlikely to ever "degrade" themselves in such a way as to beg to follow in the footsteps of the Aggies. They have other options.


On a side note, looks like Shaggybevo forum has been shuttered up. 07-coffee3
Arkansas wouldn't vote against adding Texas. It was Arkansas that tried to get A&M and UT to follow us to the SEC from the SWC. The UofA and the UofT have had a great relationship for years.

Yeah, I don't count count Arkansas or L.S.U. as no votes. L.S.U. would love to get back into Texas recruiting as effectively as they did from the 20's through the early 50's. I don't know about Missouri, but they once loved their slim pipeline to recruits from Texas.

I'll count the no votes as Texas A&M and Missouri just because I trust USAFMEDIC, but the fear that F.S.U., Louisville, Georgia Tech, and Clemson are coming on board are no longer there. Georgia is trying to get into AAU and would welcome all help. Florida wants Texas for the SEC's version of the CIC (and we do have one). Kentucky truly won't care and for that matter neither will Alabama or Auburn. I count two votes against and 12 votes in favor, if I'm pushed to make a call. But Texas I'm sure will counsel with ESPN and do what is best in their interest. That is what they have always done. I don't see them going to the PAC or Big 10. Independent is a viable possibility.

In the end the best chance the SEC has to get Oklahoma and Texas would be in having Arkansas, Missouri, L.S.U. and Texas A&M for them to have old rivals to play again thereby satisfying their really really pissed off fan base.
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(09-14-2013 11:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:46 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if the sec invited texas.........

would aggie support or block it?

They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.

It would require a 75% vote right? A&M, Missouri and Arkansas for sure could be counted on for no votes. Schools like LSU would probably dislike the idea. I highly doubt Alabama would be for it. I bet atleast one of the Mississippi's wouldn't vote for them (State). Enough votes could be found to block them I'm sure.

As we both know though, Texas is very unlikely to ever "degrade" themselves in such a way as to beg to follow in the footsteps of the Aggies. They have other options.


On a side note, looks like Shaggybevo forum has been shuttered up. 07-coffee3
Arkansas wouldn't vote against adding Texas. It was Arkansas that tried to get A&M and UT to follow us to the SEC from the SWC. The UofA and the UofT have had a great relationship for years.

Yeah, I don't count count Arkansas or L.S.U. as no votes. L.S.U. would love to get back into Texas recruiting as effectively as they did from the 20's through the early 50's. I don't know about Missouri, but they once loved their slim pipeline to recruits from Texas.

I'll count the no votes as Texas A&M and Missouri just because I trust USAFMEDIC, but the fear that F.S.U., Louisville, Georgia Tech, and Clemson are coming on board are no longer there. Georgia is trying to get into AAU and would welcome all help. Florida wants Texas for the SEC's version of the CIC (and we do have one). Kentucky truly won't care and for that matter neither will Alabama or Auburn. I count two votes against and 12 votes in favor, if I'm pushed to make a call. But Texas I'm sure will counsel with ESPN and do what is best in their interest. That is what they have always done. I don't see them going to the PAC or Big 10. Independent is a viable possibility.

In the end the best chance the SEC has to get Oklahoma and Texas would be in having Arkansas, Missouri, L.S.U. and Texas A&M for them to have old rivals to play again thereby satisfying their really really pissed off fan base.

If ESPN is all about maximizing investments then them pushing Texas to the ACC rather than the SEC makes much more sense. What better way to squander their investments in Texas than to put them in the SEC where they will be overwhelmed? I mean....Ole Miss just put a hurting on them while The Aggies are going to the bitter end against Alabama.

If ESPN wants to maximize their marketing of the Horns then the ACC is a much better spot and I would hazard a guess that most folks at Texas would prefer that than going to the SEC after seeing where the program is currently.
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(09-15-2013 12:02 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:46 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 11:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They would vote against it. They couldn't block it without 4 more votes to do so. That's where it gets dicey. Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina might vote with them. But, Florida would like to add more AAU schools. So it's unclear what the outcome would be.

It would require a 75% vote right? A&M, Missouri and Arkansas for sure could be counted on for no votes. Schools like LSU would probably dislike the idea. I highly doubt Alabama would be for it. I bet atleast one of the Mississippi's wouldn't vote for them (State). Enough votes could be found to block them I'm sure.

As we both know though, Texas is very unlikely to ever "degrade" themselves in such a way as to beg to follow in the footsteps of the Aggies. They have other options.


On a side note, looks like Shaggybevo forum has been shuttered up. 07-coffee3
Arkansas wouldn't vote against adding Texas. It was Arkansas that tried to get A&M and UT to follow us to the SEC from the SWC. The UofA and the UofT have had a great relationship for years.

Yeah, I don't count count Arkansas or L.S.U. as no votes. L.S.U. would love to get back into Texas recruiting as effectively as they did from the 20's through the early 50's. I don't know about Missouri, but they once loved their slim pipeline to recruits from Texas.

I'll count the no votes as Texas A&M and Missouri just because I trust USAFMEDIC, but the fear that F.S.U., Louisville, Georgia Tech, and Clemson are coming on board are no longer there. Georgia is trying to get into AAU and would welcome all help. Florida wants Texas for the SEC's version of the CIC (and we do have one). Kentucky truly won't care and for that matter neither will Alabama or Auburn. I count two votes against and 12 votes in favor, if I'm pushed to make a call. But Texas I'm sure will counsel with ESPN and do what is best in their interest. That is what they have always done. I don't see them going to the PAC or Big 10. Independent is a viable possibility.

In the end the best chance the SEC has to get Oklahoma and Texas would be in having Arkansas, Missouri, L.S.U. and Texas A&M for them to have old rivals to play again thereby satisfying their really really pissed off fan base.

If ESPN is all about maximizing investments then them pushing Texas to the ACC rather than the SEC makes much more sense. What better way to squander their investments in Texas than to put them in the SEC where they will be overwhelmed? I mean....Ole Miss just put a hurting on them while The Aggies are going to the bitter end against Alabama.

If ESPN wants to maximize their marketing of the Horns then the ACC is a much better spot and I would hazard a guess that most folks at Texas would prefer that than going to the SEC after seeing where the program is currently.

I certainly don't disagree with your logic here. I was just pointing out the only lure the SEC really would have for Texas.
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Personally I think the votes are there to keep UT out because enough presidents are smart enough to see what a cancer they are on any conference they are a part of.

But even if Im wrong, UT will never voluntarily join the SEC. They want to be the Big Fish in the small pond. They will never tolerate being just another big fish in an ocean of big fishes.

Those who know UT and how they operate know that CONTROL is the most important thing to them even more than money is (look at LHN...it's money is nothing compared to what they would have gotten in the PAC but it gave them full control over the B12)
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(09-15-2013 09:27 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Personally I think the votes are there to keep UT out because enough presidents are smart enough to see what a cancer they are on any conference they are a part of.

But even if Im wrong, UT will never voluntarily join the SEC. They want to be the Big Fish in the small pond. They will never tolerate being just another big fish in an ocean of big fishes.

Those who know UT and how they operate know that CONTROL is the most important thing to them even more than money is (look at LHN...it's money is nothing compared to what they would have gotten in the PAC but it gave them full control over the B12)

Which is why in my scenario's I have them going to the ACC ONLY if the ACC agrees to invite two of Texas's little brothers. That wont give them control over the ACC but it will give them some extra voting beef when it comes to trying to get enough for some stopping power. Control isn't just about being able to pass votes, it is also about being able to stop votes. I can't see Texas going to the ACC alone, even if it is for one of those lush Indie contracts that Notre Dame got.

Texas in the SEC would be a huge outlier in the political arena. They couldn't even count on old conference mates that are now in the SEC, in fact A&M and Missouri would probably act counter to Texas's desires just because they would enjoy it.


Also....10th, it is very cruel of you to tell the plebians out on the main board that the GoR is rock solid and there is no way around it. 07-coffee3
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
The truth hurts sometimes (especially if your team is one who is counting on chaos to ensue so your team can move up)

Its also the reason I still see the PAC as viable alternative along with the ACC since, as you correctly point out, any move they make at a minimum, has to address the entangling alliance of UT/TT/OU/OSU.

A PAC East division consisting of UT/TT/OU/OSU/CU/UU/AU/ASU still accomplishes their goal of a relatively easy path to the title games and gives them enough votes to at least be a force in conference politics and the eventual political ruler of the East to Stanford being the ruler in the West. I dont think its a coincidence they want a Stanford guy to take over for when DeLoss eventually retires.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(09-15-2013 10:08 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  The truth hurts sometimes (especially if your team is one who is counting on chaos to ensue so your team can move up)

Its also the reason I still see the PAC as viable alternative along with the ACC since, as you correctly point out, any move they make at a minimum, has to address the entangling alliance of UT/TT/OU/OSU.

A PAC East division consisting of UT/TT/OU/OSU/CU/UU/AU/ASU still accomplishes their goal of a relatively easy path to the title games and gives them enough votes to at least be a force in conference politics and the eventual political ruler of the East to Stanford being the ruler in the West. I dont think its a coincidence they want a Stanford guy to take over for when DeLoss eventually retires.

Bowlsby is more than a Stanford guy. Stanford was just one stop for him.

Personally for me I don't see UT/TT/OU/OSU as an alliance of any kind at all. It's much more complicated than that and includes more teams than just those four. That may have been a particular grouping that was marketed Pre-GoR but that is no longer the case due to the GoR. Basically, folks now have to use their imaginations in order to see future combinations that have yet to be realized because the GoR does change the situation in a major way.

I think Texas made it pretty clear they only liked the idea of joining the PAC if the PAC gave it to outlandish demands from Texas, such as being able to maintain the LHN. They were testing the pliability of the PAC powers. I think they are now or will soon be testing out that same pliability of the ACC powers and I think with ESPN's help, they will find the ACC willing and pliable.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
The texoma four has a strong political element to it. I don't think either OU or UT could move without taking TT and OSU with them, and its not just because they have to. They both like having what amounts to political indentured servants that will always vote the way they are told to because of their dependency on each other.
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