I have to say I was actually pretty impressed with the ACC this week. Thought Clemson surprised me(though like was brought up, they've won those type of games before, but then stub their toes somewhere else). And, despite everything that was said, I thought Florida State was pretty impressive. Big Ten was meh to me. Big 12 had one of it's stronger teams fall to a FCS team(a darn good one). Pac 12 had a good win by Washington.

I'd say-
1 SEC
2 ACC
3 Big Ten
4 Pac 12
5 Big 12
6 AAC
7 SBC(real close with CUSA, but 2-0 vs CUSA)
8 CUSA
9 MAC
10 MWC(they went 1-8 vs FBS this weekend)

Think this is a huge weekend for the ACC quite frankly. Miami/Florida is a chance to really make a statement. I think the thing though why they could really make the statement is if either Virginia beats Oregon at home or Syracuse beats Northwestern on the road- that's a big statement there....

Big Ten can make 1 statement- Michigan vs Notre Dame. Anything else and they are not looking pretty.

Pac 12 has nothing that can impress really this weekend.

Big 12 same thing quite frankly.

I think in a lot of ways, this weekend is huge reward/low risk for the ACC.

Florida State looked good, but Pitt looked like crap, so...I'd call it a wash for the ACC.

South Carolina did a pretty good number on UNC. And Penn State beat Syracuse.

Clemson's victory over Georgia was quite impressive, however.

AAC and Sun Belt went 1-2 v FCS, hard to justify them over the other G5s.

The AAC was 3-3 vs FBS schools, with 2 wins over the MAC and a win vs the Big Ten.
SBC was 3-2 vs FBS schools, with a SEC win and 2 wins vs CUSA.

MWC was 1 game better in FCS, but then 1-8 vs FBS teams. In that were losses by 28 17 32 38 and 14.
MAC was 2 games better in FCS, but then 2-8 vs FBS teams. In that losses by 31(to AAC), 13, 20, 45, 18, 50, 38(to CUSA), and 42(to AAC)

(09-04-2013 08:58 PM)moo Wrote:  Florida State looked good, but Pitt looked like crap, so...I'd call it a wash for the ACC.

South Carolina did a pretty good number on UNC. And Penn State beat Syracuse.

Clemson's victory over Georgia was quite impressive, however.

Thing about UNC is they are supposed to be what the 4th or 5th best team? South Carolina on the other hand is supposed to be one of the best SEC teams.

(09-04-2013 09:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC was 3-3 vs FBS schools, with 2 wins over the MAC and a win vs the Big Ten.
SBC was 3-2 vs FBS schools, with a SEC win and 2 wins vs CUSA.

MWC was 1 game better in FCS, but then 1-8 vs FBS teams. In that were losses by 28 17 32 38 and 14.
MAC was 2 games better in FCS, but then 2-8 vs FBS teams. In that losses by 31(to AAC), 13, 20, 45, 18, 50, 38(to CUSA), and 42(to AAC)

but not all FBS teams are created equal. MWC and MAC each played 8 AQ teams, 3 vs MWC were ranked, 5 vs MAC were ranked.

Compare that to AAC and SBC that only played 3 AQ teams each with only 1 each ranked.

So MWC had 5 losses vs non ranked AQ teams. MAC had 3.

MAC lost 2 games by 36.5 avg points to the AAC.

(09-04-2013 08:58 PM)moo Wrote:  Florida State looked good, but Pitt looked like crap, so...I'd call it a wash for the ACC.

Ok, but Ohio State gave up more points at home to Buffalo and scored less points than FSU when FSU was on the road. Or A&M looking like a complete wreck at times. I don't care if they had guys suspended; They're a top 10 team at home and they're playing Rice. UF won 24-6 at home against Toledo. Notre Dame won 28-6 over Temple at home. Texas was losing at home to New Mexico State late into the 2nd quarter. Nebraska nearly lost to Wyoming at home.

This "Pitt is crap so the win by FSU means nothing" argument is weak. Florida State looked as good or better than ALL of those other top 25 teams and FSU actually did it against a "P5" school and on the road. None of those other schools can claim that.

(09-04-2013 09:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So MWC had 5 losses vs non ranked AQ teams. MAC had 3.

MAC lost 2 games by 36.5 avg points to the AAC.

and AAC lost 2 games by 23.5 avg points to FCS.

the difference is the MAC losses were to FBS teams that won 10+ games a piece last year.

you seem to be more impressed with margin of victory than quality of opponent.

(09-04-2013 11:46 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:58 PM)moo Wrote:  Florida State looked good, but Pitt looked like crap, so...I'd call it a wash for the ACC.

Ok, but Ohio State gave up more points at home to Buffalo and scored less points than FSU when FSU was on the road. Or A&M looking like a complete wreck at times. I don't care if they had guys suspended; They're a top 10 team at home and they're playing Rice. UF won 24-6 at home against Toledo. Notre Dame won 28-6 over Temple at home. Texas was losing at home to New Mexico State late into the 2nd quarter. Nebraska nearly lost to Wyoming at home.

This "Pitt is crap so the win by FSU means nothing" argument is weak. Florida State looked as good or better than ALL of those other top 25 teams and FSU actually did it against a "P5" school and on the road. None of those other schools can claim that.

I only meant that if you're grading the conference as a whole, you can't say the ACC is great because FSU won, since they beat an ACC program. You have to take both programs' performances into account.

(09-04-2013 09:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:58 PM)moo Wrote:  Florida State looked good, but Pitt looked like crap, so...I'd call it a wash for the ACC.

South Carolina did a pretty good number on UNC. And Penn State beat Syracuse.

Clemson's victory over Georgia was quite impressive, however.

Thing about UNC is they are supposed to be what the 4th or 5th best team? South Carolina on the other hand is supposed to be one of the best SEC teams.

Game was over by mid second quarter. We basically ran the ball the rest of the game, hence the low score

I have to politely ask: Why is the PAC 4th?

Do you think Clemson/Florida St or Ohio St/Michigan are better than Stanford/Oregon?

Do you like Miami/Virginia Tech/North Carolina or Nebraska/Wisconsin/Michigan St better than USC/UCLA/Washington?

And neither conference's bottom half is close to ASU/Arizona/Oregon St.

I just don't see it...

I actually do think Clemson/Florida St are better than Stanford/Oregon. Both really impressed me. I like Miami better than Washington, and don't think much of USC or UCLA anyways.

I'm not as big on dinging a conference for their bottom half anyways. They don't pay the bills. To me, that was one of the ACC's biggest problems in the recent years, the bottom was normally fairly decent, but the top just wasn't. That's kind of changed a bit all of a sudden.

(09-04-2013 09:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC was 3-3 vs FBS schools, with 2 wins over the MAC and a win vs the Big Ten.
SBC was 3-2 vs FBS schools, with a SEC win and 2 wins vs CUSA.

MWC was 1 game better in FCS, but then 1-8 vs FBS teams. In that were losses by 28 17 32 38 and 14.
MAC was 2 games better in FCS, but then 2-8 vs FBS teams. In that losses by 31(to AAC), 13, 20, 45, 18, 50, 38(to CUSA), and 42(to AAC)

Forget the fact that Bowing Green #2 or 3 in the MAC punched Tulsa #1 or #2 CUSA in the face.

GO SBC

(09-04-2013 08:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I have to say I was actually pretty impressed with the ACC this week. Thought Clemson surprised me(though like was brought up, they've won those type of games before, but then stub their toes somewhere else). And, despite everything that was said, I thought Florida State was pretty impressive. Big Ten was meh to me. Big 12 had one of it's stronger teams fall to a FCS team(a darn good one). Pac 12 had a good win by Washington.

I'd say-
1 SEC
2 ACC
3 Big Ten
4 Pac 12
5 Big 12
6 AAC
7 SBC(real close with CUSA, but 2-0 vs CUSA)
8 CUSA
9 MAC
10 MWC(they went 1-8 vs FBS this weekend)

Think this is a huge weekend for the ACC quite frankly. Miami/Florida is a chance to really make a statement. I think the thing though why they could really make the statement is if either Virginia beats Oregon at home or Syracuse beats Northwestern on the road- that's a big statement there....

Big Ten can make 1 statement- Michigan vs Notre Dame. Anything else and they are not looking pretty.

Pac 12 has nothing that can impress really this weekend.

Big 12 same thing quite frankly.

I think in a lot of ways, this weekend is huge reward/low risk for the ACC.

How did the B1G get in above the PAC and Big 12?

(09-05-2013 08:02 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I have to politely ask: Why is the PAC 4th?

Do you think Clemson/Florida St or Ohio St/Michigan are better than Stanford/Oregon?

Do you like Miami/Virginia Tech/North Carolina or Nebraska/Wisconsin/Michigan St better than USC/UCLA/Washington?

And neither conference's bottom half is close to ASU/Arizona/Oregon St.

I just don't see it...

I could see those comparisons going either way by the end of the year. I guess I'd probably put Ohio State/Michigan a little below Stanford/Oregon to start and Stanford/Oregon a little below Clemson/Florida State so far. Those are all very subject to change, but just initial impressions week 1.

In the second group, it's pretty even. I think I'd put Nebraska/Wisconsin/Michigan on top slightly, but given Nebraska's week 1 performance that's though.

(09-05-2013 10:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Forget the fact that Bowing Green #2 or 3 in the MAC punched Tulsa #1 or #2 CUSA in the face.

I'm not sure that even Tulsa fans think they are #1 or #2 in C-USA. Some pre-season "experts" had Tulsa that high, but the first week results suggest otherwise.

(09-05-2013 12:41 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I have to say I was actually pretty impressed with the ACC this week. Thought Clemson surprised me(though like was brought up, they've won those type of games before, but then stub their toes somewhere else). And, despite everything that was said, I thought Florida State was pretty impressive. Big Ten was meh to me. Big 12 had one of it's stronger teams fall to a FCS team(a darn good one). Pac 12 had a good win by Washington.

I'd say-
1 SEC
2 ACC
3 Big Ten
4 Pac 12
5 Big 12
6 AAC
7 SBC(real close with CUSA, but 2-0 vs CUSA)
8 CUSA
9 MAC
10 MWC(they went 1-8 vs FBS this weekend)

Think this is a huge weekend for the ACC quite frankly. Miami/Florida is a chance to really make a statement. I think the thing though why they could really make the statement is if either Virginia beats Oregon at home or Syracuse beats Northwestern on the road- that's a big statement there....

Big Ten can make 1 statement- Michigan vs Notre Dame. Anything else and they are not looking pretty.

Pac 12 has nothing that can impress really this weekend.

Big 12 same thing quite frankly.

I think in a lot of ways, this weekend is huge reward/low risk for the ACC.

How did the B1G get in above the PAC and Big 12?

B1G was 10-2, B12 was 6-3 with 2 losses to FCS, PAC was 7-3 with 1 loss to FCS and 1 loss to Big Ten. Our losses were to Cincinnati and Northern Illinois, not some FCS or cupcake teams in my opinion.

Gotta wonder about the bottom of SEC when a middle of pack Sunbelt team (WKU picked 4th in 8 team league in preseason coaches poll.) blasts UK on the road. Or maybe the strength of the SBC