(08-27-2013 09:41 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 12:12 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 11:28 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Will they field ridiculously amazing teams stockpiled with NFL talent again? Probably not. But, for Miami some things seem to be falling into place for high poll rankings once more.

Plus having this kid doesn't hurt.

Fast kid, very talented. Actually makes Miami fun to watch.

When Miami was great they were great amongst the old BE.
Rutgers,Temple,Pitt,Syracuse,Bc,WVU,Temple.
Could the new strength of competition have something to do with Miami's success?I certainly think so.

First of all, Miami became great and won 4 of their 5 championships before they were playing a Big East schedule.

Second, it's impossible to describe the ACC in which Miami has competed over the past 9 years as a schedule upgrade over anything. The ACC has easily been the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences over that period.

(08-27-2013 10:15 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 09:41 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 12:12 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 11:28 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Will they field ridiculously amazing teams stockpiled with NFL talent again? Probably not. But, for Miami some things seem to be falling into place for high poll rankings once more.

Plus having this kid doesn't hurt.

Fast kid, very talented. Actually makes Miami fun to watch.

When Miami was great they were great amongst the old BE.
Rutgers,Temple,Pitt,Syracuse,Bc,WVU,Temple.
Could the new strength of competition have something to do with Miami's success?I certainly think so.

First of all, Miami became great and won 4 of their 5 championships before they were playing a Big East schedule.

Second, it's impossible to describe the ACC in which Miami has competed over the past 9 years as a schedule upgrade over anything. The ACC has easily been the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences over that period.

Big East 38-49 vs ACC last 10 years. Might want to rethink the "easily weakest of 6 BCS conferences".

IMO, the football program did its job by getting the U of Miami to get into the ACC. I don't think there exists a better example of using athletics as the 'front porch' to achieve academic goals. Despite the wishes of Micheal Irvin and Ray Lewis, 'Da U' of old ain't coming back.

This is like when people ask "will Tiger ever be back." The answer to both is no, in that neither can ever reach the level they were at for a whole host of reasons. Miami will win games, recruit talent, and maybe even win a national title again, but they are never going to again be what they were. Same goes for Florida State.

(08-27-2013 10:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Plus, in their hay day Miami Vice was a free, popular, advertisement for the region generating interest in living or enjoying what Miami has. I don't think it a coincidence that their popularity peaked at that time. In the past 30 years the demographics have changed as have the economic factors that once powered Miami. There is no longer the need for our government to pump anti-Castro money into the U, which for almost two decades (early 60's through the early 80's) made unprecedented growth possible for that private school.

That is one of the craziest paragraphs I have ever read on this message board. To recap:

* The television show, Miami Vice is primarily responsible for the success of the Miami Hurricanes football program.

* In an effort to stick it to Fidel Castro, the US Government pumped in millions of dollars to help prop up the University of Miami as a whole, and by extension, the Hurricane football program.

100 percent cray-cray!

Guys, here is what happened, it is not remotely complicated:

The legendary Bear Bryant once remarked, "If Florida ever gets its act together, we'll all be playing for second place." He was talking about the copious amount of talent that existed in that state then and still exists there today.

In the 80s, three Sunshine State schools got their act together and that changed the face of college football.

Miami was never serious about football until the late 70s when Howard Schnellenberger arrived. He quickly turned that sleeping giant into a wide awake monster. Once the university saw how much money it could make off its newfound ATM, it went all in on the Hurricane football experiment. That lasted for about two decades during which time Miami had the best football program in my lifetime.

Over time, all of the off-the-field antics of their players and boosters began to weigh on the reputation of the university itself, so the university's powers that be decided that a change was in order. The problem was the university had become addicted to the money the out-of-control and corrupt football program was regularly bringing in to the university and they were afraid to lose that money train.

The ACC comes along and offers Miami a chance to make the same money but because that $$$ is guaranteed, it would also allow Shalala and company to reel in the unsavory elements in the program and get it back to normal, run of the mill cheating levels.

The changes she and others implemented were great for the university at large but a bit too severe for a culture used to violating the rules and doing pretty much whatever it wanted. As a result a lot of boosters basically backed away from the program and it suffered as a result.

That lack of booster depth - very common in small, private schools not named Notre Dame or USC - caused Miami to become dependent on a small cadre of deep pocketed guys, most of whom just love the U and would do whatever they could to help it out. Unfortunately, there are also some bad apples in the bunch and one, Nevin Shapiro brought down the entire program with all sorts of nonsense.

The NCAA, which has been repeatedly embarrassed by the U for years and which needs some pelts to demonstrate to its membership that it is not a joke, goes after Miami with a vengeance and looks like it is going to fire all of its remaining rockets in the Hurricanes' direction. Incidentally, I think that is also why they are going after Johnny Manziel so forcefully and why I would be nervous if I were a Texas A&M fan.

That is pretty obviously what has happened in Coral Gables. Believe me when I tell you there are no good guys in this entire saga, justa whole bunch of arrogant, self-interested jerks all the way around.

Miami will be back but it's going to take some time. I do believe that things are different now. I think schools like USF and UCF have eaten into their once absurd depth. Also, most Power 5 schools now recruit Florida more aggressively than they did in the 80s and 90s and that too has eaten into the Florida schools' once limitless depth advantage.

However, I believe that in due time, when all of this latest mess has been scrubbed away, Miami will once again become very competitive. I don't think they'll ever consistently be the best program in the country again like they were for most of a 20 year stretch from 1983-2003 but nor will they stay down forever.

They will definitely be back, it's just a matter of time.

(08-27-2013 10:48 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Plus, in their hay day Miami Vice was a free, popular, advertisement for the region generating interest in living or enjoying what Miami has. I don't think it a coincidence that their popularity peaked at that time. In the past 30 years the demographics have changed as have the economic factors that once powered Miami. There is no longer the need for our government to pump anti-Castro money into the U, which for almost two decades (early 60's through the early 80's) made unprecedented growth possible for that private school.

That is one of the craziest paragraphs I have ever read on this message board. To recap:

* The television show, Miami Vice is primarily responsible for the success of the Miami Hurricanes football program.

* In an effort to stick it to Fidel Castro, the US Government pumped in millions of dollars to help prop up the University of Miami as a whole, and by extension, the Hurricane football program.

100 percent cray-cray!

Guys, here is what happened, it is not remotely complicated:

The legendary Bear Bryant once remarked, "If Florida ever gets its act together, we'll all be playing for second place." He was talking about the copious amount of talent that existed in that state then and still exists there today.

In the 80s, three Sunshine State schools got their act together and that changed the face of college football.

Miami was never serious about football until the late 70s when Howard Schnellenberger arrived. He quickly turned that sleeping giant into a wide awake monster. Once the university saw how much money it could make off its newfound ATM, it went all in on the Hurricane football experiment. That lasted for about two decades during which time Miami had the best football program in my lifetime.

Over time, all of the off-the-field antics of their players and boosters began to weigh on the reputation of the university itself, so the university's powers that be decided that a change was in order. The problem was the university had become addicted to the money the out-of-control and corrupt football program was regularly bringing in to the university and they were afraid to lose that money train.

The ACC comes along and offers Miami a chance to make the same money but because that $$$ is guaranteed, it would also allow Shalala and company to reel in the unsavory elements in the program and get it back to normal, run of the mill cheating levels.

The changes she and others implemented were great for the university at large but a bit too severe for a culture used to violating the rules and doing pretty much whatever it wanted. As a result a lot of boosters basically backed away from the program and it suffered as a result.

That lack of booster depth - very common in small, private schools not named Notre Dame or USC - caused Miami to become dependent on a small cadre of deep pocketed guys, most of whom just love the U and would do whatever they could to help it out. Unfortunately, there are also some bad apples in the bunch and one, Nevin Shapiro brought down the entire program with all sorts of nonsense.

The NCAA, which has been repeatedly embarrassed by the U for years and which needs some pelts to demonstrate to its membership that it is not a joke, goes after Miami with a vengeance and looks like it is going to fire all of its remaining rockets in the Hurricanes' direction. Incidentally, I think that is also why they are going after Johnny Manziel so forcefully and why I would be nervous if I were a Texas A&M fan.

That is pretty obviously what has happened in Coral Gables. Believe me when I tell you there are no good guys in this entire saga, justa whole bunch of arrogant, self-interested jerks all the way around.

Miami will be back but it's going to take some time. I do believe that things are different now. I think schools like USF and UCF have eaten into their once absurd depth. Also, most Power 5 schools now recruit Florida more aggressively than they did in the 80s and 90s and that too has eaten into the Florida schools' once limitless depth advantage.

However, I believe that in due time, when all of this latest mess has been scrubbed away, Miami will once again become very competitive. I don't think they'll ever consistently be the best program in the country again like they were for most of a 20 year stretch from 1983-2003 but nor will they stay down forever.

They will definitely be back, it's just a matter of time.

Yinz you need to do some research before you run your yap. Check out the money pumped into the U, essentially through the CIA (grants and such), following the Bay of Pigs failure and following. Maybe that was just before your time. A whole class I took was devoted to anti Castro initiatives and was taught by one (Georgetown grad) who was there (and corroborated by other members of the intelligence community) and the University of Miami's campus being used as a base of operations by the intelligence community was prominently covered.

And while the Miami Vice show did not create the U's football prominence, it did wonders for attracting attention to the lifestyle of Miami during that era, a vastly unknown quality outside of the region without the television. The synergy was good for the whole region including the U.

You've stepped out of your depth to pontificate about that which you know little about. It just reveals to me hidden animosity that you pounced so quickly and so assuredly. I think it shows you for what you really are.

Now the narrative you offered following you opening jab is a recent history about how things played out but is totally disconnected to your original assertion. And, I might add, out there in many articles for anyone to read and hardly knowledgeable inside information.

(08-27-2013 10:28 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:15 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 09:41 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 12:12 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 11:28 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Will they field ridiculously amazing teams stockpiled with NFL talent again? Probably not. But, for Miami some things seem to be falling into place for high poll rankings once more.

Plus having this kid doesn't hurt.

Fast kid, very talented. Actually makes Miami fun to watch.

When Miami was great they were great amongst the old BE.
Rutgers,Temple,Pitt,Syracuse,Bc,WVU,Temple.
Could the new strength of competition have something to do with Miami's success?I certainly think so.

First of all, Miami became great and won 4 of their 5 championships before they were playing a Big East schedule.

Second, it's impossible to describe the ACC in which Miami has competed over the past 9 years as a schedule upgrade over anything. The ACC has easily been the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences over that period.

Big East 38-49 vs ACC last 10 years. Might want to rethink the "easily weakest of 6 BCS conferences".

Miami was not playing in the Big East 10 years ago, so I don't see the relevance of a 10 year time frame. I'll give you 2004 & 2005 when the Big East was still in transition, but 2006-12, the Big East has a winning record against the ACC.

But what does such a stat even tell us? We know that the 2 leagues didn't play all the teams from the each other's conferences. We don't know what the match ups actually were. If, for example, the best teams from one conference were playing the worst teams from the other, it would mean absolutely nothing. So, it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

What we do know is that the ACC was the absolute model for BCS futility (2-8) while Miami has been in the conference. This is important in judging the strength of the league because it's top teams are the ones who are going to be hard to beat. They are the ones who will determine your record if you aspire like Miami to be a top program. The bottom half of the league consists of beatable teams regardless of how bad they are. The only question vs them is what the score will be.

In contrast, the Big East had its share of BCS success (5-4) after Miami left. So, the top Big East teams held their own against the best of national competition while the
ACC fell on its face.

(08-27-2013 10:32 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  IMO, the football program did its job by getting the U of Miami to get into the ACC. I don't think there exists a better example of using athletics as the 'front porch' to achieve academic goals. Despite the wishes of Micheal Irvin and Ray Lewis, 'Da U' of old ain't coming back.

Yup.

To a lesser extent, BC was aiming for the same thing. Not as flamboyant or as aggressive as UMFL (Jankovich would travel and lobby the ACC school presidents to curry favor for admission back in the late 80's), but both have pretty much done the same thing in their revenue sports. Hopefully, Miami's recent basketball success is a sustained thing and not a fluke.

Both schools are seeing their enrollment profile improve. That was the ultimate objective.

(08-27-2013 11:07 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:48 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Plus, in their hay day Miami Vice was a free, popular, advertisement for the region generating interest in living or enjoying what Miami has. I don't think it a coincidence that their popularity peaked at that time. In the past 30 years the demographics have changed as have the economic factors that once powered Miami. There is no longer the need for our government to pump anti-Castro money into the U, which for almost two decades (early 60's through the early 80's) made unprecedented growth possible for that private school.

That is one of the craziest paragraphs I have ever read on this message board. To recap:

* The television show, Miami Vice is primarily responsible for the success of the Miami Hurricanes football program.

* In an effort to stick it to Fidel Castro, the US Government pumped in millions of dollars to help prop up the University of Miami as a whole, and by extension, the Hurricane football program.

100 percent cray-cray!

Guys, here is what happened, it is not remotely complicated:

The legendary Bear Bryant once remarked, "If Florida ever gets its act together, we'll all be playing for second place." He was talking about the copious amount of talent that existed in that state then and still exists there today.

In the 80s, three Sunshine State schools got their act together and that changed the face of college football.

Miami was never serious about football until the late 70s when Howard Schnellenberger arrived. He quickly turned that sleeping giant into a wide awake monster. Once the university saw how much money it could make off its newfound ATM, it went all in on the Hurricane football experiment. That lasted for about two decades during which time Miami had the best football program in my lifetime.

Over time, all of the off-the-field antics of their players and boosters began to weigh on the reputation of the university itself, so the university's powers that be decided that a change was in order. The problem was the university had become addicted to the money the out-of-control and corrupt football program was regularly bringing in to the university and they were afraid to lose that money train.

The ACC comes along and offers Miami a chance to make the same money but because that $$$ is guaranteed, it would also allow Shalala and company to reel in the unsavory elements in the program and get it back to normal, run of the mill cheating levels.

The changes she and others implemented were great for the university at large but a bit too severe for a culture used to violating the rules and doing pretty much whatever it wanted. As a result a lot of boosters basically backed away from the program and it suffered as a result.

That lack of booster depth - very common in small, private schools not named Notre Dame or USC - caused Miami to become dependent on a small cadre of deep pocketed guys, most of whom just love the U and would do whatever they could to help it out. Unfortunately, there are also some bad apples in the bunch and one, Nevin Shapiro brought down the entire program with all sorts of nonsense.

The NCAA, which has been repeatedly embarrassed by the U for years and which needs some pelts to demonstrate to its membership that it is not a joke, goes after Miami with a vengeance and looks like it is going to fire all of its remaining rockets in the Hurricanes' direction. Incidentally, I think that is also why they are going after Johnny Manziel so forcefully and why I would be nervous if I were a Texas A&M fan.

That is pretty obviously what has happened in Coral Gables. Believe me when I tell you there are no good guys in this entire saga, justa whole bunch of arrogant, self-interested jerks all the way around.

Miami will be back but it's going to take some time. I do believe that things are different now. I think schools like USF and UCF have eaten into their once absurd depth. Also, most Power 5 schools now recruit Florida more aggressively than they did in the 80s and 90s and that too has eaten into the Florida schools' once limitless depth advantage.

However, I believe that in due time, when all of this latest mess has been scrubbed away, Miami will once again become very competitive. I don't think they'll ever consistently be the best program in the country again like they were for most of a 20 year stretch from 1983-2003 but nor will they stay down forever.

They will definitely be back, it's just a matter of time.

Yinz you need to do some research before you run your yap. Check out the money pumped into the U, essentially through the CIA (grants and such), following the Bay of Pigs failure and following. Maybe that was just before your time. A whole class I took was devoted to anti Castro initiatives and was taught by one (Georgetown grad) who was there (and corroborated by other members of the intelligence community) and the University of Miami's campus being used as a base of operations by the intelligence community was prominently covered.

And while the Miami Vice show did not create the U's football prominence, it did wonders for attracting attention to the lifestyle of Miami during that era, a vastly unknown quality outside of the region without the television. The synergy was good for the whole region including the U.

You've stepped out of your depth to pontificate about that which you know little about. It just reveals to me hidden animosity that you pounced so quickly and so assuredly. I think it shows you for what you really are.

Now the narrative you offered following you opening jab is a recent history about how things played out but is totally disconnected to your original assertion. And, I might add, out there in many articles for anyone to read and hardly knowledgeable inside information.

Whoa! I don't hold any animosity towards you or anyone else on this board. That is extremely kooky/paranoid so please knock that off right now.

I have absolutely nothing against you. I just completely disagree that some cheesy cop drama that happened to be set in Miami had anything at all to do with the rise of the Miami Hurricane football program. Is that really so unreasonable?

Let me guess, the show Dallas is also responsible for SMU's rise too, right? That would be no less zany than your Miami Vice claim.

Also, LA Law had a similar impact on the UCLA program, Frazier made the Washington football program and everyone knows that Doug Flutie never goes to Boston College w/o Cheers' success.

I don't care how many courses you have taken on the matter, that is flat out nuts.

(08-27-2013 11:16 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:28 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:15 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 09:41 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 12:12 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  Fast kid, very talented. Actually makes Miami fun to watch.

When Miami was great they were great amongst the old BE.
Rutgers,Temple,Pitt,Syracuse,Bc,WVU,Temple.
Could the new strength of competition have something to do with Miami's success?I certainly think so.

First of all, Miami became great and won 4 of their 5 championships before they were playing a Big East schedule.

Second, it's impossible to describe the ACC in which Miami has competed over the past 9 years as a schedule upgrade over anything. The ACC has easily been the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences over that period.

Big East 38-49 vs ACC last 10 years. Might want to rethink the "easily weakest of 6 BCS conferences".

Miami was not playing in the Big East 10 years ago, so I don't see the relevance of a 10 year time frame. I'll give you 2004 & 2005 when the Big East was still in transition, but 2006-12, the Big East has a winning record against the ACC.

But what does such a stat even tell us? We know that the 2 leagues didn't play all the teams from the each other's conferences. We don't know what the match ups actually were. If, for example, the best teams from one conference were playing the worst teams from the other, it would mean absolutely nothing. So, it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

What we do know is that the ACC was the absolute model for BCS futility (2-8) while Miami has been in the conference. This is important in judging the strength of the league because it's top teams are the ones who are going to be hard to beat. They are the ones who will determine your record if you aspire like Miami to be a top program. The bottom half of the league consists of beatable teams regardless of how bad they are. The only question vs them is what the score will be.

In contrast, the Big East had its share of BCS success (5-4) after Miami left. So, the top Big East teams held their own against the best of national competition while the
ACC fell on its face.

You said they were the worst conference over 9 years. I took it as all games. IF you were saying BCS bowl games, then ok you are right.

(08-27-2013 12:53 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:07 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:48 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 10:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Plus, in their hay day Miami Vice was a free, popular, advertisement for the region generating interest in living or enjoying what Miami has. I don't think it a coincidence that their popularity peaked at that time. In the past 30 years the demographics have changed as have the economic factors that once powered Miami. There is no longer the need for our government to pump anti-Castro money into the U, which for almost two decades (early 60's through the early 80's) made unprecedented growth possible for that private school.

That is one of the craziest paragraphs I have ever read on this message board. To recap:

* The television show, Miami Vice is primarily responsible for the success of the Miami Hurricanes football program.

* In an effort to stick it to Fidel Castro, the US Government pumped in millions of dollars to help prop up the University of Miami as a whole, and by extension, the Hurricane football program.

100 percent cray-cray!

Guys, here is what happened, it is not remotely complicated:

The legendary Bear Bryant once remarked, "If Florida ever gets its act together, we'll all be playing for second place." He was talking about the copious amount of talent that existed in that state then and still exists there today.

In the 80s, three Sunshine State schools got their act together and that changed the face of college football.

Miami was never serious about football until the late 70s when Howard Schnellenberger arrived. He quickly turned that sleeping giant into a wide awake monster. Once the university saw how much money it could make off its newfound ATM, it went all in on the Hurricane football experiment. That lasted for about two decades during which time Miami had the best football program in my lifetime.

Over time, all of the off-the-field antics of their players and boosters began to weigh on the reputation of the university itself, so the university's powers that be decided that a change was in order. The problem was the university had become addicted to the money the out-of-control and corrupt football program was regularly bringing in to the university and they were afraid to lose that money train.

The ACC comes along and offers Miami a chance to make the same money but because that $$$ is guaranteed, it would also allow Shalala and company to reel in the unsavory elements in the program and get it back to normal, run of the mill cheating levels.

The changes she and others implemented were great for the university at large but a bit too severe for a culture used to violating the rules and doing pretty much whatever it wanted. As a result a lot of boosters basically backed away from the program and it suffered as a result.

That lack of booster depth - very common in small, private schools not named Notre Dame or USC - caused Miami to become dependent on a small cadre of deep pocketed guys, most of whom just love the U and would do whatever they could to help it out. Unfortunately, there are also some bad apples in the bunch and one, Nevin Shapiro brought down the entire program with all sorts of nonsense.

The NCAA, which has been repeatedly embarrassed by the U for years and which needs some pelts to demonstrate to its membership that it is not a joke, goes after Miami with a vengeance and looks like it is going to fire all of its remaining rockets in the Hurricanes' direction. Incidentally, I think that is also why they are going after Johnny Manziel so forcefully and why I would be nervous if I were a Texas A&M fan.

That is pretty obviously what has happened in Coral Gables. Believe me when I tell you there are no good guys in this entire saga, justa whole bunch of arrogant, self-interested jerks all the way around.

Miami will be back but it's going to take some time. I do believe that things are different now. I think schools like USF and UCF have eaten into their once absurd depth. Also, most Power 5 schools now recruit Florida more aggressively than they did in the 80s and 90s and that too has eaten into the Florida schools' once limitless depth advantage.

However, I believe that in due time, when all of this latest mess has been scrubbed away, Miami will once again become very competitive. I don't think they'll ever consistently be the best program in the country again like they were for most of a 20 year stretch from 1983-2003 but nor will they stay down forever.

They will definitely be back, it's just a matter of time.

Yinz you need to do some research before you run your yap. Check out the money pumped into the U, essentially through the CIA (grants and such), following the Bay of Pigs failure and following. Maybe that was just before your time. A whole class I took was devoted to anti Castro initiatives and was taught by one (Georgetown grad) who was there (and corroborated by other members of the intelligence community) and the University of Miami's campus being used as a base of operations by the intelligence community was prominently covered.

And while the Miami Vice show did not create the U's football prominence, it did wonders for attracting attention to the lifestyle of Miami during that era, a vastly unknown quality outside of the region without the television. The synergy was good for the whole region including the U.

You've stepped out of your depth to pontificate about that which you know little about. It just reveals to me hidden animosity that you pounced so quickly and so assuredly. I think it shows you for what you really are.

Now the narrative you offered following you opening jab is a recent history about how things played out but is totally disconnected to your original assertion. And, I might add, out there in many articles for anyone to read and hardly knowledgeable inside information.

Whoa! I don't hold any animosity towards you or anyone else on this board. That is extremely kooky/paranoid so please knock that off right now.

I have absolutely nothing against you. I just completely disagree that some cheesy cop drama that happened to be set in Miami had anything at all to do with the rise of the Miami Hurricane football program. Is that really so unreasonable?

Let me guess, the show Dallas is also responsible for SMU's rise too, right? That would be no less zany than your Miami Vice claim.

Also, LA Law had a similar impact on the UCLA program, Frazier made the Washington football program and everyone knows that Doug Flutie never goes to Boston College w/o Cheers' success.

I don't care how many courses you have taken on the matter, that is flat out nuts.

Look it up and admit you are wrong! A very cursory evidence of it is on Wikipedia if you choose something as fuzzy as that. It has been a matter cited in books on the era if you care to enlighten your own mind about the world around you. To say that a show that features the lifestyle of Miami right in the middle of the city's zenith of cultural contribution to the greater nation is a factor to draw additional interest in the region is not far fetched. And, your saying that it is doesn't cover your error or ignorance in this case.

And for the record Yinz you were the first and only one in this exchange to use ad hominem's to defend your position. "Cray, cray"? "Kooky/Paranoid", "Flat out nuts", and the implications of your narcissism and the need to defend your error to preserve your own opinion of yourself go on. Deal with the substance and quit flinging dung like a beta gorilla being chased from an incursion of territory.

You can talk about LA Law and Dallas to try to pettifog the issue but you don't have the testicular fortitude to man up. Why so many people listen to your Big East drivel and put up with your post and insult, but lend nothing to the discussion, tactics is beyond me. If I want to know something about the Big East I'll read Texan Mark or Omniorange. If I want to know about the ACC I'll read somebody who has already been there and experienced it.

You better do some self investigation on this exchange. The blame is solely at your feet and all I ever accused you of was not checking the facts before you spouted off. Which is something that all of us (or at least most) have done at one time or another. But, I have not done it by leading with an insult. That kind of condescension is totally reflective of the ego issues and feelings of grandiosity that you regularly exhibit. And psychologically that is revealing.

And by the way, no more argumentum absurdum.

Okay, now I have no clue what the hell you are talking about?

However, as much as I appreciate your historical lecture, constructive criticism of my previous posts and your well thought out mental evaluation of my psyche, I'm still going to have to vehemently disagree with you on this one. I just can't bring myself to buy into your nonsensical theory that some cheesy cop drama made the Miami football program what it was. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous and somebody needed to say so even if you didn't like it. That's okay though as we all say some things that we'd like to have back. I know I do it all the time.

Here, let me make one more go at this issue before giving up for good. Can you please provide for me one other example of that having happened in the history of college athletics? If no such example exists, would you please explain to me what made Miami Vice and the Hurricane football program unique in that regard? I'm not being condescending or sarcastic, I'm seriously trying to entertain your colorful theory.

Finally, please stop personalizing this. I do not know you and you CLEARLY do not know me. This board and boards like it are about discussing issues, not making friends. That has always been my approach and that will always be my approach and if you cannot handle that approach I encourage you to not read my future offerings. I have no delusions of grandeur or delusions of any other kind and I am well aware that when you are a direct communicator, as I am, that is not always going to go over well with others - especially those with whom I disagree.

Still, I meant no offense whatsoever and it was nothing personal. That said, just because I disagree with you does not mean that I hold anything personally against you. I wish you nothing but peace and good vibrations, brother, even if I don't agree with one or more of your opinions. That's not malice, it's the message board culture.

(08-27-2013 01:37 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I appreciate your lecture but we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm sorry but I just don't buy it at all.

At all.

However, just because I disagree with you does not mean that I hold anything personally towards you. I wish you nothing but peace and good vibrations, brother.

I had nothing against you particularly prior to this exchange. But I don't have to sell a historical fact. And I am not going to agree to disagree on something that is a fact and to which you refuse to admit your error after trying to offend me and belittle my post. Hide behind your peace and good vibrations if you wish, which after this exhibition of your character seems strangely hypocritical since you attacked me, but we both know that you lack the humility to admit your mistake and the decency to find out the truth. I'll not post on this again, but I do think considerably less of you now.

(08-27-2013 10:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  This is like when people ask "will Tiger ever be back." The answer to both is no, in that neither can ever reach the level they were at for a whole host of reasons. Miami will win games, recruit talent, and maybe even win a national title again, but they are never going to again be what they were. Same goes for Florida State.

Yea. Same goes for Alabama. Wait...

Miami has been down for some time now, no idea if they can get back to where they were.
You have to have a great head coach and assistants. Also think they need their own stadium.

Just keep reading my posts, brother and I promise you that your personal opinion of me will get much lower. And you know what? I won't give two schitts then either.

Brother, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME - nor I you - so please quit personalizing something so innocuous as the impact a television show may or may not have had on a major college football program. I honestly have no idea why you have chosen to get so pissy about such a stupid issue?

Here is your chance to prove your "fact" right. Please cite ONE other example of the phenomena you are insisting on. Is Rutgers' rise out of obscurity to bonafide mediocrity directly attributable to the success of The Jersey Shore? Isn't "Honey Boo-Boo" from Louisiana or some state like that? What impact has that show had on LSU's success? Going back to the time period we have been discussing, in the 80s Dennis Farina was in the show Crime Story, set in Las Vegas. What impact did that show have on the Runnin' Rebels' men's basketball success during that period?

Just give me one concrete comparable and I may reconsider. Otherwise I will continue to think that your theory is pure poppycock. If that hurts your feelings, I apologize in advance.

(08-27-2013 01:37 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Okay, now I have no clue what the hell you are talking about?

However, as much as I appreciate your historical lecture, constructive criticism of my previous posts and your well thought out mental evaluation of my psyche, I'm still going to have to vehemently disagree with you on this one. I just can't bring myself to buy into your nonsensical theory that some cheesy cop drama made the Miami football program what it was. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous and somebody needed to say so even if you didn't like it. That's okay though as we all say some things that we'd like to have back. I know I do it all the time.

Here, let me make one more go at this issue before giving up for good. Can you please provide for me one other example of that having happened in the history of college athletics? If no such example exists, would you please explain to me what made Miami Vice and the Hurricane football program unique in that regard? I'm not being condescending or sarcastic, I'm seriously trying to entertain your colorful theory.

Finally, please stop personalizing this. I do not know you and you CLEARLY do not know me. This board and boards like it are about discussing issues, not making friends. That has always been my approach and that will always be my approach and if you cannot handle that approach I encourage you to not read my future offerings. I have no delusions of grandeur or delusions of any other kind and I am well aware that when you are a direct communicator, as I am, that is not always going to go over well with others - especially those with whom I disagree.

Still, I meant no offense whatsoever and it was nothing personal. That said, just because I disagree with you does not mean that I hold anything personally against you. I wish you nothing but peace and good vibrations, brother, even if I don't agree with one or more of your opinions. That's not malice, it's the message board culture.

There was a synergy between the University of Miami, the 80's in Miami as a social phenomenon, and the added interest generated by the popularity of the show. It wasn't of the magnitude of the Roaring 20's and Chicago, but of the same ilk. The direct connection to the football program is your hyperbole used to ridicule the original comments and obfuscate the points of argumentation. I merely reflected upon the crescendo of interest generated by all three which did help to float all boats. To a young person in the 80's Miami had the cache of Hollywood, or the allure of New Orleans. Adding popularity to a place enhances everything in that place. It was chic to be in Miami in the 80's.

I have also noted that you have dropped your criticism of the remarks tying CIA involvement to the University of Miami. I'll take that to mean that you finally looked it up. The ties began almost immediately after the Cuban revolution, ballooned after the Bay of Pigs, was formally announced as being concluded in 1968, but actually continued while declining in investment until the early 80's. It was almost certainly over with by the time the Berlin Wall fell. Exact time lines and amounts are as with any such operation hard to nail down until documents are declassified.

The point is that you don't know what the hell your are talking about and continue to crayfish your position while continuing to attack verbally. My opinion and evaluation holds.

(08-27-2013 02:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Just keep reading my posts, brother and I promise you that your personal opinion of me will get much lower. And you know what? I won't give two schitts then either.

Brother, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME - nor I you - so please quit personalizing something so innocuous as the impact a television show may or may not have had on a major college football program. I honestly have no idea why you have chosen to get so pissy about such a stupid issue?

Here is your chance to prove your "fact" right. Please cite ONE other example of the phenomena you are insisting on. Is Rutgers' rise out of obscurity to bonafide mediocrity directly attributable to the success of The Jersey Shore? Isn't "Honey Boo-Boo" from Louisiana or some state like that? What impact has that show had on LSU's success? Going back to the time period we have been discussing, in the 80s Dennis Farina was in the show Crime Story, set in Las Vegas. What impact did that show have on the Runnin' Rebels' men's basketball success during that period?

Just give me one concrete comparable and I may reconsider. Otherwise I will continue to think that your theory is pure poppycock. If that hurts your feelings, I apologize in advance.

Where I come from we call this a hissy fit. You need to stop now while you have an ounce of credibility left.

Can we all just agree that the SEC is over-rated and pays their players?

(08-27-2013 03:09 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Can we all just agree that the SEC is over-rated and pays their players?

Nice change of pace there Curtis. I'll agree that in my time spent in the region I have on numerous occasions found evidence of impropriety when it comes to recruiting inducements. As to whether or not we are over rated for 2013 we'll just simply have to wait and see (Last year was truly atypical for the SEC in that we didn't have the middle strength we usually generate, but did have more top and bottom rung teams). But I will add, that during my time on the trail the then SWC, the Big 8 (not all schools), and the ACC (again not all schools) were also offering inducements in the same areas. And I might also add that not all schools in the SEC were offering them either (cough...cough..., like Vanderbilt). Does that lend to a point of agreed upon ground?