(08-15-2013 11:13 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, you're cool with gays using the term "marriage".

If they're cool with me using the term civil unions.

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(08-15-2013 11:16 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:13 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, you're cool with gays using the term "marriage".

If they're cool with me using the term civil unions.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

I doubt they care what you call it, so long as you recognize it for what it is.

It really doesn't matter what they call it. God doesn't recognize it and as long as churches aren't forced to perform the ceremonies I don't really care. They seek the approval of the government for benefits not God for his blessing. If I call an apple a banana it's still an apple.

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(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:16 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:13 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, you're cool with gays using the term "marriage".

If they're cool with me using the term civil unions.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

I doubt they care what you call it, so long as you recognize it for what it is.

An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

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(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  It really doesn't matter what they call it. God doesn't recognize it and as long as churches aren't forced to perform the ceremonies I don't really care. They seek the approval of the government for benefits not God for his blessing. If I call an apple a banana it's still an apple.

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Even though I am a practicing Catholic, I find it ridiculous that the right can't seem to separate Church from government.

(08-14-2013 03:56 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Circular? So why don't the pro gay marriage supporters fight to change the law? Why is their only focus on marriage? Because the "racists and bigots" don't approve of it, that's why. It's a childish freaking move on pro gay people...

It is a childish freaking move to think that the "sanctity of marriage" will be ruined by gay people getting married. There is not sanctity of marriage when over 50% of them fail.

(08-15-2013 11:20 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  It really doesn't matter what they call it. God doesn't recognize it and as long as churches aren't forced to perform the ceremonies I don't really care. They seek the approval of the government for benefits not God for his blessing. If I call an apple a banana it's still an apple.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Even though I am a practicing Catholic, I find it ridiculous that the right can't seem to separate Church from government.

The government can't separate church from government. Who is the mystical "right" you speak of.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

It appears as if we reached a point where the right's only argument is over the actual term "marriage".

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

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(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Except we can't call it "marriage", right?

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  It appears as if we reached a point where the right's only argument is over the actual term "marriage".

Seems to me that it's the gays who care more.

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(08-15-2013 11:26 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Except we can't call it "marriage", right?

"we".... You gay?

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Awesome. So which of life's questions should we tackle now?

Look guys, there are essentially two parts of marriage. One part is recognition from the government both state and federal that grants the couples who have entered into the contract certain benefits(survivorship, insurance, assistance programs...etc)and penalties for that matter, and that should be extended to everyone both straight and gay alike so long as their both willingly participating in the arrangement. Then there is the ceremonial part where I swear to God, my spouse and in front of my family and her family to keep certain promises that are specific to each religion(I'm a Christian). The second part is how I define marriage. Not the contractual side. I really don't see a constitutional reason not to punish gays with the same type of contract as us breeders have but I have a problem with them trying to make everyone accept that they're married when, for me at least, they're not. I didn't get married for benefits and higher taxes. I got married because I love my spouse and I took an oath before God to honor her til the day I die. That to me means more than being recognized by the government. I would still have performed the ceremony even if there were no benefits attached to it. Gays largely don't feel this way. They demand recognition as part of some societal acceptance of their lifestyle and the benefits that they frankly deserve. I don't demand recognition, I don't demand anything but to leave the sanctity of marriage alone especially since not one recognized religion accepts gays and historically marriage has always been religious in nature. For me and my family gays will never be married, no matter what they call it. They should be equally represented in the eyes of the law, because they'll never be equal in the eyes of God. I say let them wallow in unrepentant sin and burn in hell* as long as they get insurance, right?

(08-15-2013 11:30 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:26 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Except we can't call it "marriage", right?

"we".... You gay?

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

"We" as in the citizens of the United States

(08-15-2013 11:57 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  An opportunistic contract for the acquisition of government benefits? Sure, whatever.

So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Awesome. So which of life's questions should we tackle now?

here's one...what the hell is a Smaug?

(08-15-2013 11:59 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:30 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:26 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, it IS marriage!

LOL, I guess so

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Except we can't call it "marriage", right?

"we".... You gay?

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

"We" as in the citizens of the United States

call it whatever you want. I'll never call it marriage. You can call it lamp if you want.

(08-15-2013 11:59 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  here's one...what the hell is a Smaug?

I'm a UAB alum, and I'm riffing on the dragon theme.

From Tolkien's The Hobbit

Quote:My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail is a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!

Why do gays insist on calling it marriage?

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