(07-31-2013 12:37 PM)boss man Wrote:  To quote a former SecState - at this point,what difference does it make?

Her profound and cutting edge analysis was made in reference to four individuals who passed away in Libya, as I recall.

Trayvon got a bit too agitated, initiated a fight by going BACK from his yard to confront Zimmerman, and paid the ultimate price.

Zimmerman was found not guilty, and will collect millions from NBC and CNN but will also pay a price. He will spend a long time looking over his shoulder and he better be careful of where he is in a crowd.

You like to make **** up don't you. You should work for WND.

(07-31-2013 12:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 10:42 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I love how we get toxicology reports on the guy who got shot but nothing from the shooter.

Show me that it's SOP to draw blood and do tox on every shooter.

If you want the entire story, then you test both.

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 10:42 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I love how we get toxicology reports on the guy who got shot but nothing from the shooter.

Show me that it's SOP to draw blood and do tox on every shooter.

If you want the entire story, then you test both.

How do you know Z wasn't tested?

Toxicology on a dead person with a charge of murder is SOP.

Not having toxicology from a live person showing no outward indications of inebriation is also SOP. Even random traffic stops can't test for DUI without probably cause. Shooting someone is not probable cause to think someone is inebriated.

Having said that, whether Martin was making "lean" or not is immaterial. Just because he's done it before doesn't mean he was doing it then. If he had never acted aggressive before, it doesn't prove he wasn't acting aggressive then.

the simple fact is, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in this country. NOT by a preponderance of the evidence, but BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Therefore, barring specific forensic evidence to rule out his story beyond a reasonable doubt, Zimmerman walks. That is the burden and that is what happened.... and honestly, anyone who thinks that should be changed... particularly in this day and age when so much is recorded and videotaped and forensic science is so developed... is crazy. That doesn't mean mistakes don't happen. Guilty people walk all the time. What it means is that we have decided that it is better for a few guilty people to walk than for an even smaller few innocent people to get convicted.

(07-31-2013 01:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  the simple fact is, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in this country. NOT by a preponderance of the evidence, but BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Therefore, barring specific forensic evidence to rule out his story beyond a reasonable doubt, Zimmerman walks. That is the burden and that is what happened.... and honestly, anyone who thinks that should be changed... particularly in this day and age when so much is recorded and videotaped and forensic science is so developed... is crazy. That doesn't mean mistakes don't happen. Guilty people walk all the time. What it means is that we have decided that it is better for a few guilty people to walk than for an even smaller few innocent people to get convicted.

(07-31-2013 06:57 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 11:04 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 10:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 10:33 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Yes I read it. There is nothing there to indicate what the internet gossip is stating as fact. There are "real" facts on the internet, but there are also plenty of "made up" or "distorted" facts out there too. I think we have a case of the latter here.

Do you understand what "yellow fatty metamorphasis" in a 17 year old liver means?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images...?hpt=hp_t2

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=677840

Read the report. It states regarding the liver, "no diagnostic abnormalities". Regarding "yellow fatty metamorphosis" the word before it is "mild" and yes I know what it is. I have yet to see any reference to the "lean" in anything you have linked. It is often related to alcohol use, but not always. In fact my mother-in-law, someone that has never had a drink in her life and certainly doesn't mix up the lean is dealing with liver problems related to fatty liver.

Face it, this is total speculation with no basis in fact.

Lot more than total speculation having two of the three elements for making Lean and evidence of previous use probably.

Two elements of curing short term hunger, candy and something to drink. I still haven't seen any evidence of previous "lean" use. His liver was a little fatty and he was young. That isn't evidence.

Face it. The dude was making lean. He was even trying to find codeine online.

Ok, even if we take your utter bull**** as gospel, WTF difference does it make here?

The trial is over and Z was freed because of the evidence presented already.

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 10:42 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I love how we get toxicology reports on the guy who got shot but nothing from the shooter.

Show me that it's SOP to draw blood and do tox on every shooter.

If you want the entire story, then you test both.

Not what I asked is it?

Do you think or know if it is standard procedure to take blood and test of everyone who shoots at another person? It *IS* SOP to do panels on a corpse as part of an autopsy.

And I'm not sure of Florida law, but here in Michigan you're supposed to get ID'd when buying such medicine.

(07-31-2013 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ok, even if we take your utter bull**** as gospel, WTF difference does it make here?

The trial is over and Z was freed because of the evidence presented already.

I'm with Toms on this one. You want people to let it go? Start by letting it go.

(07-31-2013 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And I'm not sure of Florida law, but here in Michigan you're supposed to get ID'd when buying such medicine.

That is for pseudoephedrine. Dextromethorphan is sold without an id check. Sadly, these ghetto kids, influenced by idiots like Lil Wayne will change that.

(07-31-2013 01:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ok, even if we take your utter bull**** as gospel, WTF difference does it make here?

The trial is over and Z was freed because of the evidence presented already.

I'm with Toms on this one. You want people to let it go? Start by letting it go.

Thank you. Suppositions on the deceased "intensions" is nothing but inflammatory........and those doing it are doing it for that exact reason - and they are suppositions.

i wonder what my liver looks like...

probably not good

(07-31-2013 01:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ok, even if we take your utter bull**** as gospel, WTF difference does it make here?

The trial is over and Z was freed because of the evidence presented already.

I'm with Toms on this one. You want people to let it go? Start by letting it go.

Me too (agree with Tom). God, isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

(07-31-2013 01:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And I'm not sure of Florida law, but here in Michigan you're supposed to get ID'd when buying such medicine.

That is for pseudoephedrine. Dextromethorphan is sold without an id check. Sadly, these ghetto kids, influenced by idiots like Lil Wayne will change that.

Not in Michigan (and also Ohio). Here, whenever you buy any cough medicine (and most other OTC drugs) the counterperson usually confirms your age by typing something into their register. If you're borderline on age they ask to see your ID.

For Sudafed, you have to show (or swipe) your DL and they write down info from it.

(07-31-2013 01:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ok, even if we take your utter bull**** as gospel, WTF difference does it make here?

The trial is over and Z was freed because of the evidence presented already.

I'm with Toms on this one. You want people to let it go? Start by letting it go.

Me too (agree with Tom). God, isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

Hardly, I'm really quite reasonable when actual facts are presented appropriately.

I'm with ya'll.. Doesn't matter if he was going to make the stuff or not unless you want to add it to the list of ifs and buts that could've kept this from going down which don't do anything at all.

(07-31-2013 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ok, even if we take your utter bull**** as gospel, WTF difference does it make here?

The trial is over and Z was freed because of the evidence presented already.

I'm with Toms on this one. You want people to let it go? Start by letting it go.

Me too (agree with Tom). God, isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

Hardly, I'm really quite reasonable when actual facts are presented appropriately.

Yeah, but that's not as funny

(07-31-2013 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And I'm not sure of Florida law, but here in Michigan you're supposed to get ID'd when buying such medicine.

That is for pseudoephedrine. Dextromethorphan is sold without an id check. Sadly, these ghetto kids, influenced by idiots like Lil Wayne will change that.

Not in Michigan (and also Ohio). Here, whenever you buy any cough medicine (and most other OTC drugs) the counterperson usually confirms your age by typing something into their register. If you're borderline on age they ask to see your ID.

For Sudafed, you have to show (or swipe) your DL and they write down info from it.

I just looked up the Michigan law and it say they only do that for ephedrine products, but I'll take your word for it. That's really stupid if they do that. I can understand the ephedrine. Aspirin is ridiculous.

(07-31-2013 02:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And I'm not sure of Florida law, but here in Michigan you're supposed to get ID'd when buying such medicine.

That is for pseudoephedrine. Dextromethorphan is sold without an id check. Sadly, these ghetto kids, influenced by idiots like Lil Wayne will change that.

Not in Michigan (and also Ohio). Here, whenever you buy any cough medicine (and most other OTC drugs) the counterperson usually confirms your age by typing something into their register. If you're borderline on age they ask to see your ID.

For Sudafed, you have to show (or swipe) your DL and they write down info from it.

I just looked up the Michigan law and it say they only do that for ephedrine products, but I'll take your word for it. That's really stupid if they do that. I can understand the ephedrine. Aspirin is ridiculous.

It could be just a store policy to make sure minors aren't buying cough syrup...likely a legal decision by the stores.

The difference on the Sudafed though is that they're taking down your name and the quantity you purchased, and not just checking your ID as if you're buying a pack of smokes.