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RE: Article praises FAU; slams Sun Belt
(06-30-2013 10:32 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 09:49 AM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
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(06-30-2013 08:50 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  I would just ask that he show proof of how the Sun Belt is in a rapid decline.

Well we lost what four members? They couldn't leave the Sunbolt fast enough. They were replaced with lesser schools. That's by definition a decline. We are the developmental league of 1-A.

It's like the guy who didn't give a crap about his wife until she ran off with another guy. Suddenly she's beautiful and he'll not be happy with anyone else.

I don't get your analogy but you are kidding yourself if you don't believe that ASU or UL will leave as soon as possible.

I'm pretty sure anyone would leave given the opportunity. However, make no, mistake CUSA 5 years ago is not CUSA today. The same can be said for the Sun Belt.


(06-30-2013 10:25 AM)Franko Wrote:  Personally I think there is little, if any, seperation in football but CUSA has the upper hand in everything else. The article states "FAU wasn't left behind to play FCS schools" but CUSA has UTSA, Old Dominion and start up Charlotte? I would've definitely left that statement out. 03-idea

I would say Sun Belt baseball is better than CUSA. Everyone will always think their new date is better than the old one, but they all have their own issues.
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Hemi Man, I stand corrected on baseball. You're right. 01-ncaabbs
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I'm not sure the Belt can't be better in football longterm and baseball as early as 2015, now basketball I agree that is in decline losing WKU and MTSU.
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(06-30-2013 10:20 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
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(06-30-2013 08:50 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  I would just ask that he show proof of how the Sun Belt is in a rapid decline.

Well we lost what four members? They couldn't leave the Sunbolt fast enough. They were replaced with lesser schools. That's by definition a decline. We are the developmental league of 1-A.

Outside of what we lost in all sports performance from MTSU, the other three schools don't offer anything that can't be replaced, or even made better by the incoming schools. TV contracts will change based upon who is in the conference as opposed to who was in the conference.

Who is going to replace or improve WKU's bball tradition in the new SBC?

WKU had bball tradition years ago. That's like a Clemson fan saying the ACC would miss its tradition because it won the football national championship in 1981.

We were a one-bid league before WKU left, and we will be a one-bid league after WKU left. No change. I think WKU made a mistake leaving, and while CUSA may prove out to be a better basketball league, the SBC will prove out to be a better football league.

Can't argue with that. WKU's last trip to the round of 32 was waaaaaaay back in 08-09 season and our last trip to the Sweet Sixteen happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away in the 2007-2008 season.

And you didn't answer my original question which is who is going to replace or improve the WKU bball tradition?
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That site is a independent site that covers FAU Athletics. While he does have some contacts and occasionally breaks stories he certainly does not have the "pulse" of the fan base.

I'm sure there are some owl fans that feel that way, but I think the majority feel the way that I do. The SBC was a great home for FAU but once FIU was gone it just left us out on an island. It made sense for us to move after that point.
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(06-30-2013 10:52 AM)OwlFamily Wrote:  That site is a independent site that covers FAU Athletics. While he does have some contacts and occasionally breaks stories he certainly does not have the "pulse" of the fan base.

I'm sure there are some owl fans that feel that way, but I think the majority feel the way that I do. The SBC was a great home for FAU but once FIU was gone it just left us out on an island. It made sense for us to move after that point.

How did you check the pulse of your fan base? With what you average last year I would think you could actually take the pulse of each fan and interview them.
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As people keep telling us and everyone else that brings up tradition, that don't mean jack. Like the other poster said, the SBC is a one bid league. I know gsu and app have a lot of work to improve our basketball programs, but you're high if you think we will just be satisfied with the current level. 01-wingedeagle

Also, based on the recent results i put softball and baseball in the sbc ahead of cusa. Don't know how the other sports match up.
We will see about football, but at the least the SBC is on par with CUSA.

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(06-30-2013 04:58 AM)Cougar King Wrote:  
Quote:The conference realignment carousel has been spinning for years while FAU stood outside the fence without a ticket to the ride.

The Owls finally received their pass in November when Conference USA came calling. The offer was an easy to accept. C-USA member schools receive in the neighborhood of $2 million a year through TV contracts – which is almost $2 million more than Sun Belt schools make.




When the Owls first announced they said the move would happen no later than the 2014-15 season. Turns out FAU wasn't interested in waiting that long.

In January FAU announced the move would happen in July, meaning the Owls football team will play in C-USA for the upcoming season, with the other sports following.

Why it's important: The Sun Belt was a good starter conference for FAU football (and that's the sport that necessitated the move) but that conference is now in rapid decay. Sure, many of the Owls old SBC foes have or will make the move to C-USA too, but that doesn't diminish the move. At least FAU wasn't left behind to play FCS schools (They also never have to visit Troy or Louisiana-Monroe again – reasons in themselves to make the move).

http://www.fauowlaccess.com/articles/179...-year.aspx

Then its mutual. FAU is a dumpster fire of a football program with no upside in the near term

1) FAU's football program has fallen into hard times. They have fallen so far as to lose to South Alabama (!).

2) Their program is broke and their schedule is setup for them to continue to have losing non-conference records for years to come. My prediction of OOC schedule for FAU for the next two years 0-8 or 1-7 at the most. I predict they'll lose all 3 of their scheduled games for 2015 too. Good luck getting bowl eligible with that schedule.

3) Their program has very few fans. My guess is that they've been averaging 4-5k legitimate, non-band, butts in the stands attendance

4) Their 'market' is a myth. They'll never capture it because most people in Broward/WPB (and I had a home there for 10 years) are from elsewhere and either come from a non-college sports pedigree or retain their primary and secondary allegiances to schools back where they came from. They might be able to get a few bandwagon fans if they performed better, but see their OOC schedule.

FIU and FAU were outliers in the Sun Belt. Not because they were better programs with upside but because their support profile is abysmal. I say good riddance. The Belt doesn't need teams that are going to go 0-13 non-conference the next 3 years (ok - they may beat NMSU at home next year - but that's no guarantee - 1-12 tops for FAU). Prediction - Georgia State will win more OOC games than FAU between now and 2015. So will South Alabama. So will Appy. So will Georgia Southern. If you're so broke that you can't schedule properly, then what are you doing playing FBS football anyway?

Next year, FAU will go either 1-3 or 0-4 OOC. That means that FAU will have to go 5-3 at the least in CUSA to get bowl eligible. In 2014, they'll need to go at least 6-2 (they aren't winning ANY OOC games in 2014). In 2015, they only have 3 OOC games scheduled, and they will lose every single one of them, so they'll have to go 5-3 to get bowl eligible at a minimum. While CUSA will be worse than the Belt the next two years, FAU isn't likely to see a bowl game (even as a 6-6 team) for 4 years.

I'm glad I won't have to see F_U tarring our conference with a permanent residency in ESPN's bottom ten anymore.

The only thing the CUSA has over the belt in football is that Wright Waters signed an awful TV contract with ESPN. That's it.

Congrats on joining CUSA. I'm glad I won't have you guys starting off 0-5 while in our conference this year.
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The words the writer used in the article imply a very subjective reasoning. And of course the facts are deceptive. CUSA also added FCS programs to replace the ones they lost so they got hit by realignment just as hard. The Sun Belt could be better in football soon, if not already, because CUSA is going for markets, not good football teams.
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CUSA is adding La Tech who went 9-3 last season, MT who was 8-4, UTSA that went 8-4, and FCS team Old Dominion who have gone 10-3 and 11-2 the past two seasons. So I agree, CUSA got some markets and no good football teams.
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Geez Tom, tell us how you really feel lol

While I agree with you. The FAU posters on this board have been nothing but nice and I don't wish them Ill will.
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ODU has a good offense, but their defense is absolute trash. They won't be terrible, but I don't think they will transition as smoothly to the FBS as some believe, if for no other reason than they can't keep anyone out of the end zone.
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Kind of bad to be leaving with smack. However, not all FAU posters fault.
One writer, one opinion, one purpose...to make themselves feel like they are making the right move.
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(06-30-2013 11:46 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  CUSA is adding La Tech who went 9-3 last season, MT who was 8-4, UTSA that went 8-4, and FCS team Old Dominion who have gone 10-3 and 11-2 the past two seasons. So I agree, CUSA got some markets and no good football teams.

1) La Tech is rebuilding last year
2) UTSA's schedule last year was not comparable to other FBS teams (They went 8-4 by playing USA, Texas State, Idaho, NMSU, 2 FCS teams, and 2 Div II teams). They might be slightly ahead of some of the other moveups, but not so much. We shall see how they finish this year. I'm not expecting much.
3) Appy and Georgia Southern did quite well over the last few years in FCS. Old Dominion is a good FCS program. There's no evidence they'll perform any better than Appy or Ga Southern.

La Tech, WKU and MTSU were good adds. Although La Tech isn't going to be very good this year.
UTSA, Old Dominion, UNCC, FAU, UNT, and FIU were not.

Ark State and ULL will be the best teams of CUSA or the Belt for the next two years.
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(06-30-2013 11:51 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Geez Tom, tell us how you really feel lol

While I agree with you. The FAU posters on this board have been nothing but nice and I don't wish them Ill will.

Their scheduling has been dragging the Belt down for years. And their schedule for 2013.. @Auburn, @USF, @Miami and NMSU at home. For 2014...@Alabama, @Nebraska, @Wyoming, Tulsa. For 2015...@Tulsa, @Florida, Miami. Every single one of those games for FAU save NMSU would be an upset if FAU won.

Does anyone think this kind of scheduling is going to be appropriate for a rebuilding program? Does anyone think that FAU is going to help their conference out with their record?

I note that there are some FAU posters who see this as better regional fit. But I'm not taking smack from FAU when they try to demean the Belt on the way out.
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CUSA added three good programs that are over .500, three programs under .500 and three unknowns.

Belt added all unknowns at the FBS level. My guess is half will rise and half will fall.

The difference is the Sun Belt kept its top three football programs, CUSA did not.
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(06-30-2013 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 11:46 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  CUSA is adding La Tech who went 9-3 last season, MT who was 8-4, UTSA that went 8-4, and FCS team Old Dominion who have gone 10-3 and 11-2 the past two seasons. So I agree, CUSA got some markets and no good football teams.

1) La Tech is rebuilding last year
2) UTSA's schedule last year was not comparable to other FBS teams (They went 8-4 by playing USA, Texas State, Idaho, NMSU, 2 FCS teams, and 2 Div II teams). They might be slightly ahead of some of the other moveups, but not so much. We shall see how they finish this year. I'm not expecting much.
3) Appy and Georgia Southern did quite well over the last few years in FCS. Old Dominion is a good FCS program. There's no evidence they'll perform any better than Appy or Ga Southern.

La Tech, WKU and MTSU were good adds. Although La Tech isn't going to be very good this year.
UTSA, Old Dominion, UNCC, FAU, UNT, and FIU were not.

Ark State and ULL will be the best teams of CUSA or the Belt for the next two years.

Next year maybe.
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(06-30-2013 12:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 11:51 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Geez Tom, tell us how you really feel lol

While I agree with you. The FAU posters on this board have been nothing but nice and I don't wish them Ill will.

Their scheduling has been dragging the Belt down for years. And their schedule for 2013.. @Auburn, @USF, @Miami and NMSU at home. For 2014...@Alabama, @Nebraska, @Wyoming, Tulsa. For 2015...@Tulsa, @Florida, Miami. Every single one of those games for FAU save NMSU would be an upset if FAU won.

Does anyone think this kind of scheduling is going to be appropriate for a rebuilding program? Does anyone think that FAU is going to help their conference out with their record?

I note that there are some FAU posters who see this as better regional fit. But I'm not taking smack from FAU when they try to demean the Belt on the way out.

Give 'em heck Tom.
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(06-30-2013 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 11:46 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  CUSA is adding La Tech who went 9-3 last season, MT who was 8-4, UTSA that went 8-4, and FCS team Old Dominion who have gone 10-3 and 11-2 the past two seasons. So I agree, CUSA got some markets and no good football teams.

1) La Tech is rebuilding last year
2) UTSA's schedule last year was not comparable to other FBS teams (They went 8-4 by playing USA, Texas State, Idaho, NMSU, 2 FCS teams, and 2 Div II teams). They might be slightly ahead of some of the other moveups, but not so much. We shall see how they finish this year. I'm not expecting much.
3) Appy and Georgia Southern did quite well over the last few years in FCS. Old Dominion is a good FCS program. There's no evidence they'll perform any better than Appy or Ga Southern.

La Tech, WKU and MTSU were good adds. Although La Tech isn't going to be very good this year.
UTSA, Old Dominion, UNCC, FAU, UNT, and FIU were not.

Ark State and ULL will be the best teams of CUSA or the Belt for the next two years.

La Tech, historically, has a good football program. They were a quality add for CUSA period. Old Dominion is just as good an add as App St. and GA South in my opinion. They don't have the history that the other 2 have but they have been tearing it up in FCS ranks and their fan support is absolutely incredible.

Don't act like the Belt has all these great adds as well. I mean, Georgia St., Idaho, NMSU? Now ASU, GSU, and Texas St. are really good adds, in my opinion.

I don't think either Arkie St. or ULL will be as good as Tulsa this year. Arkie St. is rebuilding but ULL should be really good.
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(06-30-2013 12:28 PM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 11:46 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  CUSA is adding La Tech who went 9-3 last season, MT who was 8-4, UTSA that went 8-4, and FCS team Old Dominion who have gone 10-3 and 11-2 the past two seasons. So I agree, CUSA got some markets and no good football teams.

1) La Tech is rebuilding last year
2) UTSA's schedule last year was not comparable to other FBS teams (They went 8-4 by playing USA, Texas State, Idaho, NMSU, 2 FCS teams, and 2 Div II teams). They might be slightly ahead of some of the other moveups, but not so much. We shall see how they finish this year. I'm not expecting much.
3) Appy and Georgia Southern did quite well over the last few years in FCS. Old Dominion is a good FCS program. There's no evidence they'll perform any better than Appy or Ga Southern.

La Tech, WKU and MTSU were good adds. Although La Tech isn't going to be very good this year.
UTSA, Old Dominion, UNCC, FAU, UNT, and FIU were not.

Ark State and ULL will be the best teams of CUSA or the Belt for the next two years.

La Tech, historically, has a good football program. They were a quality add for CUSA period. Old Dominion is just as good an add as App St. and GA South in my opinion. They don't have the history that the other 2 have but they have been tearing it up in FCS ranks and their fan support is absolutely incredible.

Don't act like the Belt has all these great adds as well. I mean, Georgia St., Idaho, NMSU? Now ASU, GSU, and Texas St. are really good adds, in my opinion.

I don't think either Arkie St. or ULL will be as good as Tulsa this year. Arkie St. is rebuilding but ULL should be really good.

Tulsa and ECU, like WKU already have one foot out the door. I don't really count any of them as part of their current conference.

Georgia State was a terrible add that appears to be falling flat on its face. Idaho and NMSU were bad adds too, and I fail to see why we had to take them.

CUSA in 2014.... Rice, Marshall (by the way, when was the last time they finished about 7 wins - Its a surprisingly long time), UAB, UNT, UTSA, UTEP, Charlotte, FIU, FAU, USM, ODU, MTSU, WKU, and La Tech. If USM doesn't get better quick, or LA Tech takes longer to reload than expected...its not going to be pretty.

MTSU was the loss that hurt (because that caused WKU to jump as well). But your new conference isn't any better than the Belt in football and barring CUSA going to 16 or 18 teams by taking Belt teams, isn't likely to be much better in the future.
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(06-30-2013 12:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 12:28 PM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-30-2013 11:46 AM)BlueRaider0x0 Wrote:  CUSA is adding La Tech who went 9-3 last season, MT who was 8-4, UTSA that went 8-4, and FCS team Old Dominion who have gone 10-3 and 11-2 the past two seasons. So I agree, CUSA got some markets and no good football teams.

1) La Tech is rebuilding last year
2) UTSA's schedule last year was not comparable to other FBS teams (They went 8-4 by playing USA, Texas State, Idaho, NMSU, 2 FCS teams, and 2 Div II teams). They might be slightly ahead of some of the other moveups, but not so much. We shall see how they finish this year. I'm not expecting much.
3) Appy and Georgia Southern did quite well over the last few years in FCS. Old Dominion is a good FCS program. There's no evidence they'll perform any better than Appy or Ga Southern.

La Tech, WKU and MTSU were good adds. Although La Tech isn't going to be very good this year.
UTSA, Old Dominion, UNCC, FAU, UNT, and FIU were not.

Ark State and ULL will be the best teams of CUSA or the Belt for the next two years.

La Tech, historically, has a good football program. They were a quality add for CUSA period. Old Dominion is just as good an add as App St. and GA South in my opinion. They don't have the history that the other 2 have but they have been tearing it up in FCS ranks and their fan support is absolutely incredible.

Don't act like the Belt has all these great adds as well. I mean, Georgia St., Idaho, NMSU? Now ASU, GSU, and Texas St. are really good adds, in my opinion.

I don't think either Arkie St. or ULL will be as good as Tulsa this year. Arkie St. is rebuilding but ULL should be really good.

Tulsa and ECU, like WKU already have one foot out the door. I don't really count any of them as part of their current conference.

Georgia State was a terrible add that appears to be falling flat on its face. Idaho and NMSU were bad adds too, and I fail to see why we had to take them.

CUSA in 2014.... Rice, Marshall (by the way, when was the last time they finished about 7 wins - Its a surprisingly long time), UAB, UNT, UTSA, UTEP, Charlotte, FIU, FAU, USM, ODU, MTSU, WKU, and La Tech. If USM doesn't get better quick, or LA Tech takes longer to reload than expected...its not going to be pretty.

MTSU was the loss that hurt (because that caused WKU to jump as well). But your new conference isn't any better than the Belt in football and barring CUSA going to 16 or 18 teams by taking Belt teams, isn't likely to be much better in the future.
But we STILL beat you... If we are terrible, then you must be complete trash having lost to us.
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