BCS teams sure use everything they can think of to keep them apart from the non-BCS schools.
(I know everyone is now BCS in a way, but you know what I mean.)

UAB's scheduling strategy going forward will be
1 BCS big time program bodybag game i.e. LSU
1 low tier winnable in a good season BCS program hopefully home and home: Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss st, etc.
Memphis (if that home and home falls through we may come back to the Troy game) But Memphis is our rival not Troy. You guys are just in the same state. We have more history and a traveling trophy at stake there.
FCS team so we can pad wins and go bowling until we know if we have 8 or 9 conference games in 2015

it is less about Troy and more about securing the Memphis basketball series every season. If we only have 3 OOC games going forward we'd rather not have it tied up with Troy.

This is why we are not returning calls to South. Basketball sure, football... we will see you when we see you.

(06-27-2013 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  We were UABs highest attended game at 28k last year... Their 2nd highest attended game was at 15k....

They need the game with us more than we need them.... It's beyond me why they would want to cancel the games.

The UAB game is nearly the only time you hear the name Troy in North Alabama. Troy needs the game more than UAB from a non football perspective. The football side doesnt really matter much because the recruits will go to whichever offers. Normally neither recruits against the other on many prospects. The fans will lose because it is a game that alums enjoy but fans are not a concern of universities anymore.

UAT should play Colorado State over any in state school minus Auburn. Better name from a better conference than any other DI school in Alabama. UAT will be on the front part of the sports (paper and tv) in the Colorado market. UAT will get all of the coverage in Alabama so no Alabama team can help. The only loser again is the fans who might possibly see a good band if they play JSU or Troy.

(06-28-2013 03:45 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  We were UABs highest attended game at 28k last year... Their 2nd highest attended game was at 15k....

They need the game with us more than we need them.... It's beyond me why they would want to cancel the games.

The UAB game is nearly the only time you hear the name Troy in North Alabama. Troy needs the game more than UAB from a non football perspective. The football side doesnt really matter much because the recruits will go to whichever offers. Normally neither recruits against the other on many prospects. The fans will lose because it is a game that alums enjoy but fans are not a concern of universities anymore.

UAT should play Colorado State over any in state school minus Auburn. Better name from a better conference than any other DI school in Alabama. UAT will be on the front part of the sports (paper and tv) in the Colorado market. UAT will get all of the coverage in Alabama so no Alabama team can help. The only loser again is the fans who might possibly see a good band if they play JSU or Troy.

What's your point!? And UAb is never heard of out side of Birmingham and even in Birmingham it's hardly covered. TROY has a nice hold of Montgomery and Dothan areas. Both cover TROY sports very well. Only thing that helps us out is basketball maybe. Baseball we certainly don't need Uab.

Our game at home with Uab isn't anything worth wild either. Average around 22-23k

Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

You guys are more of basketball schools... But don't worry. That's gonna change too

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

(06-28-2013 06:15 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

More exposure in Southern Alabama and we're in a metro location.
Mobile > Hattiesburg
Mobile > Troy, AL

(06-28-2013 06:36 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:15 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

More exposure in Southern Alabama and we're in a metro location.
Mobile > Hattiesburg
Mobile > Troy, AL

It's not all about metro areas.

(06-28-2013 07:45 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:36 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:15 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

More exposure in Southern Alabama and we're in a metro location.
Mobile > Hattiesburg
Mobile > Troy, AL

It's not all about metro areas.

Usm beats us out of all the talent in mobile to be honest.

(06-28-2013 08:55 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 07:45 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:36 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:15 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.

We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

More exposure in Southern Alabama and we're in a metro location.
Mobile > Hattiesburg
Mobile > Troy, AL

It's not all about metro areas.

Usm beats us out of all the talent in mobile to be honest.

USM has only signed 1 player from Mobile the last 3 years. They do have a verbal from a mobile Kid in this class. I don't buy in to the theory USM has a recruiting lock on the Mobile area.

(06-28-2013 10:54 PM)jag313 Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 08:55 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 07:45 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:36 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:15 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

More exposure in Southern Alabama and we're in a metro location.
Mobile > Hattiesburg
Mobile > Troy, AL

It's not all about metro areas.

Usm beats us out of all the talent in mobile to be honest.

USM has only signed 1 player from Mobile the last 3 years. They do have a verbal from a mobile Kid in this class. I don't buy in to the theory USM has a recruiting lock on the Mobile area.

the more you know...

(06-28-2013 08:55 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 07:45 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:36 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:15 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 06:04 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Not a slight to Troy, but I'd imagine UAB would benefit more from playing USA than Troy. But it's clear their strategy is to maintain the Memphis rivalry which now may take up an OOC slot.


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We play @ usm every other year what is south offering that usm doesnt?

More exposure in Southern Alabama and we're in a metro location.
Mobile > Hattiesburg
Mobile > Troy, AL

It's not all about metro areas.

Usm beats us out of all the talent in mobile to be honest.

USM has only signed 1 player from Mobile the last 3 years. They do have a verbal from a mobile Kid in this class. I don't buy in to the theory USM has a recruiting lock on the Mobile area.

It isn't because USM has any kind of lock on any area, it's because UAB's football program isn't as good as its direct competition in the area. Southern Miss, Troy, Memphis, and now South Alabama are all more attractive programs than UAB.

The problem I see with the Blazer football team, from an outsider's perspective, is it has a stagnant feel. The stadium was shot down, the "big name" coach didn't see the first season success fans had hoped for, and the continuation of a losing record, has all led to a negative aura around the program.

If our series were going to continue I would hope UAB football could improve to make the rivalry more fun, not that I haven't enjoyed it thus far. However, if they are going to end it with us in favor of an out-of-state university, I guess I will be satisfied to watch them stumble about.

(06-27-2013 09:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 04:43 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 10:49 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 10:36 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 10:33 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Alabama want play in state schools except auburn for fear they may lose a dollar from some fan. Or that some fan may choose to follow a school that doesn't treat its fans as merely a sucker to relieve money from.

It took legislation to get Alabama and Auburn to play in the first place.

And that's what we are doing...

Im sorry but legislation??? I cant see how this would even be a possibility and if it is it shouldnt happen. No way should the state gov make a schools football team play another team. I would love to see you guys play Bama but legislation to make it happen................I hope not.

Yeah stupid government why would the government even think they have any business getting involved.

Well other than the fact the government owns the land the universities are on, government money founded the schools, the government provides a large part of the operational and capital funds for the universities, the government selects the board controlling the institution, the government foregoes revenue by providing tax deductions to people giving money to the athletic department, most of the "privately built" mega facilities were actually financed using the full faith and credit of the state and financed at below competitive rates because the interest on those bonds is not subject to taxation as income by those holding them. Even if the athletic department is profitable as an enterprise, NCAA rules require that the department be a part of an accredited university and the non-athletic department appointed president or chancellor (or president and chancellor in systems) as well as the non-athletic department exercise final control over the athletic department and the accrediting agencies won't grant accreditation unless the university can demonstrate that the chief executive officer of the institution and board exercise control and oversight of athletics so without that state funded school there is no athletic department.

Yeah just can't understand why government would dare think it has any business exercising control over an institution that it created and has the power to destroy if it so desires.

Nice lecture. Keep writing letters to your local officials and maybe you can get Bama to play Troy. As long as Bama doesnt want to they wont, and the gov aint gonna get involved.

I would be angry with my state legislature if they got involved in college football scheduling. I don't know a lot about Alabama politics, but I'd wager there are much larger problems in Alabama than "why can't these two teams play?"

Looking at this from a purely business standpoint (and let's be real... college football is just a business), what benefit is there for Alabama to play Troy? There's only benefit on Troy's side, and while not a top competitor, it's still a competitor.

While I can understand the frustration of the Troy fans, I don't understand the outrage.

(06-29-2013 09:57 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I would be angry with my state legislature if they got involved in college football scheduling. I don't know a lot about Alabama politics, but I'd wager there are much larger problems in Alabama than "why can't these two teams play?"

Looking at this from a purely business standpoint (and let's be real... college football is just a business), what benefit is there for Alabama to play Troy? There's only benefit on Troy's side, and while not a top competitor, it's still a competitor.

While I can understand the frustration of the Troy fans, I don't understand the outrage.

You guys might be shocked but there is legislation to force quite a few teams to play each other. One that floated around this year was for Texas and Texas A&M.

(06-29-2013 09:57 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I would be angry with my state legislature if they got involved in college football scheduling. I don't know a lot about Alabama politics, but I'd wager there are much larger problems in Alabama than "why can't these two teams play?"

Looking at this from a purely business standpoint (and let's be real... college football is just a business), what benefit is there for Alabama to play Troy? There's only benefit on Troy's side, and while not a top competitor, it's still a competitor.

While I can understand the frustration of the Troy fans, I don't understand the outrage.

Good point let us look at it from a business point of view. Let's say FAU takes 200 people to Tuscaloosa. (That's probably a bit high) 200 x 55 = $11,000. Troy would probably take 5000 ( A conservative number) 5000 x 55 = $275,000. Let's assume each fan spends $10 at the concession stand. That is $50,000 compared to $2000. That is $312,000 more assuming you are paying Troy the same amount as FAU. From a business stand point it is a no brainer.

(06-27-2013 09:58 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  It will be interesting to see if Georgia or Georgia Tech will play us now that we are going FBS. We are playing Georgia Tech next year but that contract was signed several years ago.

The Georgia game isn't going anywhere for Georgia Southern, it's better for UGA in that the game up until this point has not counted toward bowl eligibility. Now it will. This is obviously a local interest game, but one which UGA seems to find an interest aka "Little Brother". The Tech game could have been earlier, but Southern backed out on Tech & UGA in the same year. Tech has an obvious attendance issue in case no one has noticed ! The Georgia Southern game will fill up Bobby Dodd, and that's what GT wants/needs, a full house.
Unless the SEC moves to a nine game conference schedule which was voted down 13-1(Sabin) by the coaches I see the big boys continuing to schedule a cupcake. Insofar as UGA is concerned, being that college football in the State of Georgia was born between UGA and Mercer (01/30/1892), the Bears will find themselves on the Dawgs schedule sooner than later. Tech's first game was also against MU(11/5/1892). I look for the Macon university to make the Jackets schedules as well.
The one oddball in the instate play in Georgia is Georgia State vs. UGA & Tech, not to pick an argument, but a little bird tells me that UGA is turning a blind eye to the Atlanta GA upstart. Now I can see GT vs State, like I said about Tech attendance. Of course the joke there is when you call the Tech ticket office to inquire about the GT vs. GSt kickoff time, the response being " what time can you be here"

(06-30-2013 09:10 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 09:57 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I would be angry with my state legislature if they got involved in college football scheduling. I don't know a lot about Alabama politics, but I'd wager there are much larger problems in Alabama than "why can't these two teams play?"

Looking at this from a purely business standpoint (and let's be real... college football is just a business), what benefit is there for Alabama to play Troy? There's only benefit on Troy's side, and while not a top competitor, it's still a competitor.

While I can understand the frustration of the Troy fans, I don't understand the outrage.

Good point let us look at it from a business point of view. Let's say FAU takes 200 people to Tuscaloosa. (That's probably a bit high) 200 x 55 = $11,000. Troy would probably take 5000 ( A conservative number) 5000 x 55 = $275,000. Let's assume each fan spends $10 at the concession stand. That is $50,000 compared to $2000. That is $312,000 more assuming you are paying Troy the same amount as FAU. From a business stand point it is a no brainer.

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Doesn't Alabama sell out all their games anyway? The dollars would be basically the same whether they were Troy fans or just more Tide fans?

(06-30-2013 10:10 AM)Franko Wrote:  

(06-30-2013 09:10 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 09:57 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I would be angry with my state legislature if they got involved in college football scheduling. I don't know a lot about Alabama politics, but I'd wager there are much larger problems in Alabama than "why can't these two teams play?"

Looking at this from a purely business standpoint (and let's be real... college football is just a business), what benefit is there for Alabama to play Troy? There's only benefit on Troy's side, and while not a top competitor, it's still a competitor.

While I can understand the frustration of the Troy fans, I don't understand the outrage.

Good point let us look at it from a business point of view. Let's say FAU takes 200 people to Tuscaloosa. (That's probably a bit high) 200 x 55 = $11,000. Troy would probably take 5000 ( A conservative number) 5000 x 55 = $275,000. Let's assume each fan spends $10 at the concession stand. That is $50,000 compared to $2000. That is $312,000 more assuming you are paying Troy the same amount as FAU. From a business stand point it is a no brainer.

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Doesn't Alabama sell out all their games anyway? The dollars would be basically the same whether they were Troy fans or just more Tide fans?

Conference games, probably so. Games against CUSA , Sun Belt, and FCS , no.