(06-13-2013 07:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just give me a city. That isn't too much to ask.

And you say I'm the one who dismisses stuff with whatever?

I ask you to simply give me a city who wanted to buy this team and you say " let's just call it a stalemate"?

The public meetings regarding the stadium did not involve the city asking the public where we should put the stadium and how much we should spend on it.

The meetings simply were more like........here is what we are going to buy and here is where we want to put it.

I have ripped apart with very specific questions that have gone unanswered for more than two weeks now. You never answer my specific questions. You deflect and cry about opinions not being respected.

Now you want an answer to a question that has been answered many times? Get real.

I'll take that as meaning that you don't have an answer.

That is correct. Which is not what Susie Byrd said on ABC 7. She specifically said that construction cost would be 50 million.

Don't you find it strange that this number keeps going back and forth?

(06-13-2013 11:11 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 07:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 11:29 AM)mistabinks Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 12:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  It may not be an issue to you because you seem not to care what this thing will end up costing. It does however confuse the situation for those who are keeping score.

What makes you think I do not care what the stadium project will end up costing? Explain. Expand. Specifically.

Are you saying I have not been "keeping score?" If so, that may be dumbest thing you have said on this forum - and that is saying a lot. I am the one that has constantly known exactly who has said what. You are the one that has wildly said "they," "them," etc. You haven't known the difference between City Council and the City Planner. Only recently, have you desperately grabbed at random quotes in a weak attempt to save face. You can't make your case so you grasp on a quote and play on technicalities. You are the one who has to reply with "whatever," "let's put it another way," etc.

The City already voted on and passed the motion on the stadium costing 52.8 million dollars. Now you think that is going to be overruled because Byrd said construction of the baseball stadium is going to be 50 million?

As you would say, "whatever."

I have tried repeatedly to explain things to you. When I simply put them in my own words you say that I have no facts. When I give you the facts you say to stop the copy and paste.

Susie Byrd is quoted as saying that the construction cost would be 50 million.

Today's paper states that the construction cost would be 40 million.

Now city council will vote to increase that to 60.8 million.

Are these not the facts? If so, how do you feel about it.

I'm willing to bet you are going to be perfectly okay with this.

So let's just cut to the chase and answer this question.

If you truly care about how much this thing is going to cost. Why don't you simply give me a number.

What cost will finally convince you that this is going too far?

Mountain Star Sports group is pumping 12.1 million into it..... OK, Ready, Spin, GO!

I never said they weren't.

(06-13-2013 11:53 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  You don't have the ability to explain things to me. You don't have a firm grip on the project. If you had made a solid point - just once - everyone wouldn't constantly crap on you. Reread the various threads. All you can do is deflect. I have enjoyed it.

This is not a court of law where a quote can make or break a case. Regardless of what is technically said.

Regardless of how you want to spin it:

Byrd was talking about the whole project and not just construction costs.

40 million'ish is the actual construction costs and not the entire budget of the project.

The City and MountainStar appear to have settled on a design plan and MountainStar is going to kick in 12.1 million to make that project happen.

That's the score as it stands now. What is the problem?

So now it's 40 million ish?

The council would also have to approve borrowing $60.8 million rather than the $52.8 million it approved two weeks ago, Mayor John Cook said today.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_23452...-toward-el

You shall do what you must.

Can we have all these baseball stadium threads merged into 1 thread...

Not sure what the point of this thread is. Fitbud already replied regarding the exact same link. I already posted this in another thread. Oh wait, this is Fitbud we are talking about. Instead of seeing the facts, that MountainStar is going to kick in 12 million dollars, he is going to say the stadium is over budget and costing us 60 million.

(06-14-2013 12:17 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That is correct. Which is not what Susie Byrd said on ABC 7. She specifically said that construction cost would be 50 million.

So what? We all know that, at the time, it was 40 million/10 million, for a 50 million dollar project. Susie Byrd was being interviewed. It wasn't a press release. She isn't the project manager. What is your point?

(06-14-2013 12:17 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Don't you find it strange that this number keeps going back and forth?

The number hasn't gone back and forth. You are desperate. Your arguments have gone anywhere. You deflective tactics have fallen flat. You are clinging to out of context quotes to try and make your pathetic argument.

It was 50 million.

They have a better idea of what it will cost to get what they want.

It is not 60 million.

To make that happen, MountainStar is kicking in 12 million.

What is the problem?

Oh yeah, this one time, in band camp, this one person said something different. Oh well. Move along.

(06-14-2013 12:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  So now it's 40 million ish?

and with that grasp at a straw, I will move on from this thread as well.

Sorry guys, got a new job, and time is now a hot commodity. I glance here n there, but will try to keep up.

All ballpark stadium/cost threads have been merged into this Official Thread. I will keep merging them if closely related threads are created.

If a poster continually derails threads, I will create the "derailing comments" thread to merge all derailing posts into one thread so the original thread can stay on topic.

I'm not grasping at straws. I'm simply trying to get a definitive answer from someone as to how much this ballpark is going to cost.

I've heard everything from 40 million to 70 million.

I just think El Pasoans deserve to know.

"In a recent local TV interview, Cook was quoted as saying that while the Downtown ballpark negotiations were legal, he did not think they were "done aboveboard." And in an interview with a weekly publication, he
Reporter
Cindy Ramirez

said he believed it was always the intention of the minor league baseball team ownership group and the city manager not to take the issue to voters other than for financing matters.

straw grasping is what I see above.

he's getting desperate... He no longer has his property tax argument to try and lean on

52.8 million dollars. What is not definitive about that? This Tuesday, thanks to MountainStar stepping up, it may change. Facts do not evaporate due to random quotes and here-say. 52.8 million dollars. Regardless of what Byrd said in a random interview. Regardless of what Orly said on local radio. Regardless of what a beat writer on the El Paso Times reported. 52.8 million dollars. Even if the City Planner and/or Project Manager requested more. It's been 52.8 million dollars. Again, this Tuesday, it is going to change to another definitive number.

(06-15-2013 01:39 AM)mistabinks Wrote:  52.8 million dollars. What is not definitive about that? This Tuesday, thanks to MountainStar stepping up, it may change. Facts do not evaporate due to random quotes and here-say. 52.8 million dollars. Regardless of what Byrd said in a random interview. Regardless of what Orly said on local radio. Regardless of what a beat writer on the El Paso Times reported. 52.8 million dollars. Even if the City Planner and/or Project Manager requested more. It's been 52.8 million dollars. Again, this Tuesday, it is going to change to another definitive number.

That's fine with me. I'm simply pointing out that all of the noise being put out here and there is what makes this issue compelling.

The more controversy that surrounds the stadium, the more people are going to be unwilling to support it.

Everything that I have done here is to show that City Council did a piss poor job of handling this thing.

Even the Mayor believes that.

(06-15-2013 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 01:39 AM)mistabinks Wrote:  52.8 million dollars. What is not definitive about that? This Tuesday, thanks to MountainStar stepping up, it may change. Facts do not evaporate due to random quotes and here-say. 52.8 million dollars. Regardless of what Byrd said in a random interview. Regardless of what Orly said on local radio. Regardless of what a beat writer on the El Paso Times reported. 52.8 million dollars. Even if the City Planner and/or Project Manager requested more. It's been 52.8 million dollars. Again, this Tuesday, it is going to change to another definitive number.

That's fine with me. I'm simply pointing out that all of the noise being put out here and there is what makes this issue compelling.

The more controversy that surrounds the stadium, the more people are going to be unwilling to support it.

Everything that I have done here is to show that City Council did a piss poor job of handling this thing.

Even the Mayor believes that.

YOU LOSE, SUCKA!!!

(06-15-2013 05:11 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 01:39 AM)mistabinks Wrote:  52.8 million dollars. What is not definitive about that? This Tuesday, thanks to MountainStar stepping up, it may change. Facts do not evaporate due to random quotes and here-say. 52.8 million dollars. Regardless of what Byrd said in a random interview. Regardless of what Orly said on local radio. Regardless of what a beat writer on the El Paso Times reported. 52.8 million dollars. Even if the City Planner and/or Project Manager requested more. It's been 52.8 million dollars. Again, this Tuesday, it is going to change to another definitive number.

That's fine with me. I'm simply pointing out that all of the noise being put out here and there is what makes this issue compelling.

The more controversy that surrounds the stadium, the more people are going to be unwilling to support it.

Everything that I have done here is to show that City Council did a piss poor job of handling this thing.

Even the Mayor believes that.

YOU LOSE, SUCKA!!!

What exactly do I lose?

Actually, I win. I get to prove that City Council screwed up and I still get to enjoy the stadium.

All you get to do is make excuses for City Council .

LOL