http://www.businessweek.com/articles/201...ant-online

MOOCs aren't going away. And those graduate degrees in victims studies are never going to pay for themselves.

Oh, and this looks remarkably similar to homeschooling

All colleges, and especially the "elite" schools, thought they had a oligopoly. They thought the demand for their product was completely inelastic. They built luxurious accomodations for their "customers" and jacked up their cost 500% over the last 30 years. And then they cranked out grads with womens' studies degrees.

Now it appears the free market will intrude on their economic model. $200,000 for a womens' studies degree won't hold up in a free market.

I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

Well yeah, even though I think there are great sociological works done, they aren't often done by sociologists.

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

I heard that Purdue gave a guy a Master's degree in Magic once.

(05-27-2013 06:55 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

I heard that Purdue gave a guy a Master's degree in Magic once.

One of my friends went to McGill and they have a program where you can just find an advisor, study a bunch of semi-related subjects, and graduate with a degree of your choosing. The intention of this is so that a person could become a Engineering Commerce major or a Finance in Media major.

She just took some psychs and literature and got a degree in The History of Love. Now she's RCMP.

(05-27-2013 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:55 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

I heard that Purdue gave a guy a Master's degree in Magic once.

One of my friends went to McGill and they have a program where you can just find an advisor, study a bunch of semi-related subjects, and graduate with a degree of your choosing. The intention of this is so that a person could become a Engineering Commerce major or a Finance in Media major.

She just took some psychs and literature and got a degree in The History of Love. Now she's RCMP.

I guess some people don't care if their degree helps them get a job or not. Every person I know in International Studies graduated with no future career plans (or law school as a vague future option).

(05-27-2013 07:11 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:55 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

I heard that Purdue gave a guy a Master's degree in Magic once.

One of my friends went to McGill and they have a program where you can just find an advisor, study a bunch of semi-related subjects, and graduate with a degree of your choosing. The intention of this is so that a person could become a Engineering Commerce major or a Finance in Media major.

She just took some psychs and literature and got a degree in The History of Love. Now she's RCMP.

I guess some people don't care if their degree helps them get a job or not. Every person I know in International Studies graduated with no future career plans (or law school as a vague future option).

My pet peeve. It's the same with Poly Sci majors. It's my philosophy that one can major in anything he wants, but he must have a plan. Hell, learn something outside of that major if you must.

(05-27-2013 07:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:11 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:55 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

I heard that Purdue gave a guy a Master's degree in Magic once.

One of my friends went to McGill and they have a program where you can just find an advisor, study a bunch of semi-related subjects, and graduate with a degree of your choosing. The intention of this is so that a person could become a Engineering Commerce major or a Finance in Media major.

She just took some psychs and literature and got a degree in The History of Love. Now she's RCMP.

I guess some people don't care if their degree helps them get a job or not. Every person I know in International Studies graduated with no future career plans (or law school as a vague future option).

My pet peeve. It's the same with Poly Sci majors. It's my philosophy that one can major in anything he wants, but he must have a plan. Hell, learn something outside of that major if you must.

Same here. My sister graduated with a B.S. in Psychology, which would have been fine if she went to grad school. However, working at $8.00/hr for more than a year after graduation is not my idea of a good plan.

(05-27-2013 07:26 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:11 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:55 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  I heard that Purdue gave a guy a Master's degree in Magic once.

One of my friends went to McGill and they have a program where you can just find an advisor, study a bunch of semi-related subjects, and graduate with a degree of your choosing. The intention of this is so that a person could become a Engineering Commerce major or a Finance in Media major.

She just took some psychs and literature and got a degree in The History of Love. Now she's RCMP.

I guess some people don't care if their degree helps them get a job or not. Every person I know in International Studies graduated with no future career plans (or law school as a vague future option).

My pet peeve. It's the same with Poly Sci majors. It's my philosophy that one can major in anything he wants, but he must have a plan. Hell, learn something outside of that major if you must.

Same here. My sister graduated with a B.S. in Psychology, which would have been fine if she went to grad school. However, working at $8.00/hr for more than a year after graduation is not my idea of a good plan.

I don't even think a Psych major necessarily needs to go to grad school, unless they plan to practice of course. They could take an interest in marketing, do an internship/indie research, and have a unique skill set amongst the crowd trying to break into the field.

That being said, I think that I would've gone through without a plan if I didn't leave the first time.

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

Yeah, everyone should be a business grad.

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

Yeah, everyone should be a business grad.

I think everyone should get a degree in some sort of science with a liberal arts based minor on the side.

(05-27-2013 07:53 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

Yeah, everyone should be a business grad.

I think everyone should get a degree in some sort of science with a liberal arts based minor on the side.

I wouldn't go that far. Science is definitely not for everyone, it's not for the vast majority of people for that matter.

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

Yeah, everyone should be a business grad.

No, we need many skills--engineers, scientists, doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers--and yes, some business people, preferably entrepreneurs. What we don't need are sociologists and women's studies majors and the like. They are totally worthless.

Society would be better served if people getting useless degrees went instead to trade schools and learned how to do useful things like operate CAD/CAM terminals. Then they would be qualified to do something besides barista at Starbuck's.

(05-27-2013 08:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 06:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would really like to find out the amount of people that graduate with a "victim" studies degree. The way you guys talk, the number is massive and includes yourselves.

One is way too many.

The world would be a far better place if possession of a degree in sociology were a capital offense. And there are about a dozen other majors a out which the same could be said.

Yeah, everyone should be a business grad.

No, we need many skills--engineers, scientists, doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers--and yes, some business people, preferably entrepreneurs. What we don't need are sociologists and women's studies majors and the like. They are totally worthless.

Society would be better served if people getting useless degrees went instead to trade schools and learned how to do useful things like operate CAD/CAM terminals. Then they would be qualified to do something besides barista at Starbuck's.

Lumping sociology in with women's studies is quite a stretch. There are a lot of laughable thinks in the social sciences, but there are also useful things (like criminology). Saying that it is all worthless is shortsighted. I would agree with you if you said there are too many people studying these things, however.

I don't have a problem with criminology or psychology, to name a couple.

I would even say that art, music, english, and history majors are valuable.

(05-27-2013 08:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would even say that art, music, english, and history majors are valuable.

Agree.

I would say particularly so, sine they make valuable and useful contributions.

But sociology is a different subject. I've never encountered a sociology prof, and my experience in this regard covers several universities, who wasn't socialist or communist. I've never seen sociology presented in any way that wasn't socialist indoctrination. In every university of which I have personal knowledge, the "book" on sociology courses has always been to memorize the prof's favorite talking points, regurgitate them on the exams, and remember to forget them as you walk out of the final.

Query--Can anyone provide the name and university affiliation of a sociology prof whose personal political views are right of center or even center?

I would say history majors are needed since half of all graduating high school seniors can't identify what century the Civil War was fought in.