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CBS/B1G Schools receive $25.7 Million Per School for 2012
The SEC may have announced its new network with ESPN last week, but when it comes to television networks, that's the one area the SEC is still chasing the Big Ten, and according to a report in the St. Louis Post Dispatch, it's a chase worth making.

The paper reports that Big Ten schools will receive a $25.7 million payout from the conference following the 2012 season. Of that $25.7 million, $7.6 million is coming from the Big Ten Network.


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I'm surprised it took this long for someone to post this. Everyone should realize this is for everything and not just TV.
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So it sounds like there is 18.5 million per B1G team in television money this year.
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(05-06-2013 10:05 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm surprised it took this long for someone to post this. Everyone should realize this is for everything and not just TV.




I knew this since the St. Louis Dispatch wrote an article on Big Ten payouts three years ago.

The Big Ten folks were throwing out big numbers and saying that it was all from TV contracts. The Post-Dispatch looked at it and found out that number was from all sources:





"Notre Dame's roots as football independent may be too deep for move to Big Ten




By Vahe Gregorian
OF THE POST-DISPATCH
05/23/2010

SOUTH BEND, Ind. — Shrouded in construction materials under the vigilant gaze of the "Touchdown Jesus" mural on the nearby Hesburgh Library stands the most visible variable in the haze surrounding the future of the Big Ten and arguably the college football landscape itself.

Contained within venerable Notre Dame Stadium is the essence of what yet distinguishes Notre Dame football even as the football itself has ebbed, winning only one national title since 1977 and making Brian Kelly the fifth man named Fighting Irish coach in less than a decade.

Contained within isn't mere history but hallmarks of what informs ND's present philosophy and future aspiration to remain stranded on its own island.

No Jumbotron looms over the stadium, even if it likely could command millions in advertising revenue before a crowd that has filled it (now nearly 81,000) for virtually every game since 1966.


Nor are there luxury suites, an idea floated behind the scenes in the recent past only to be "torpedoed" by trustees, a knowledgeable campus source said.

And the only advertising within the stadium bowl is a modest one for ISP Sports radio on the press box and a subtle "NBC Sports" logo on one scoreboard.

That seems a modest enough concession to the network that has nationally broadcast every ND home game since 1991 — dwarfing national appearances by even the most successful schools in the last generation that often are relegated to regional television.

Not that Notre Dame has any aversion to money. It's just that with multimedia, marketing and licensing revenues of nearly $30 million a year, according to a 2008 report in the SportsBusiness Journal, it needn't wring itself dry to make ends meet.

So for the moment, anyway, it evidently doesn't have much to gain financially by affiliating itself with the Big Ten.

The Post-Dispatch reported last week that the 2009-10 revenue split from the Big Ten for Illinois was $19.9 million, of which $14.9 was from TV revenue and the rest from bowl and NCAA Tournament appearances among its members.


Notre Dame declines to specify the worth of its contract with NBC, which runs through 2015. The SportsBusiness Journal called it more than $10 million a year, and other media outlets have characterized it as around $15 million.

Conversely, though, it's no wonder the Big Ten likely still would swoon over ND.

Of the schools, including Missouri, believed to be under consideration in the Big Ten's announced expansion study, Notre Dame is the singular one coveted by the Big Ten before (in 1999), perhaps the only realistic target that could by itself be reason enough for the Big Ten to expand and the only one Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany acknowledges contact with now.

Delany, of course, wouldn't divulge what he has talked with athletics director Jack Swarbrick about, but he has become well-familiar with ND's philosophy of football autonomy and Big East membership in other sports.

"That's what it has chosen to do; that's its destiny," Delany said, pausing and seeming to inadvertently leave wiggle room by adding, "You know, has been its destiny."

Indeed, some wonder about Notre Dame's ability to sustain that going forward.

"Notre Dame has lost its cachet and will not be able to find another contract anything like the NBC deal if it remains independent," renowned economist Andrew Zimbalist of Smith College said in an e-mail.

Ohio State athletics director Gene Smith, who played for ND's 1973 national championship team and was an assistant coach during the Fighting Irish's 1977 title run, sees other reasons Notre Dame should break with tradition.

"I love them deeply," he said this past week, adding, "But I've always struggled with the quality experience that today, in this landscape … football players (are having). … If they end up being one of the schools (asked to join), I hope they would consider what a conference championship means to a young person."

The climate has changed since ND last won a meaningful bowl, beating Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl after the 1993 season.

Since then, the Bowl Alliance that morphed into the BCS altered the bowl structure in such a way that anything short of winning a BCS bowl would be a disappointment for ND — which has yet to win one and has only a win over Hawaii in the 2008 Hawaii Bowl to show for its last 10 bowl appearances.

"It's a different time and space," said Smith, playfully adding that he might be the one ND alum making this argument, and adding, "I'm just the guy who was in Room 325, Cavanaugh Hall."

The counterpart who occupies Smith's seat at ND has this and more to consider as he determines how to navigate what's ahead and sell it to the ND administration.

But thus far, Swarbrick said during BCS meetings in Scottsdale, Ariz., internal discussions about the school's football future never even reach the point of "financial analysis" because the "top priority" for the school itself is retaining football independence.

"It's so central to the roots of the university," he said.

That might change and necessitate rethinking if what Swarbrick broadly characterizes as "seismic" changes occur.

Swarbrick wouldn't elaborate on what that might constitute, but one scenario that could force ND's hand would be a Big Ten plundering of the Big East since ND's other sports need a home base.

One way or another, though, it would take extraordinary circumstances to deter Notre Dame from an identity more than 100 years in the making — ironically enough with a nudge from the forerunner of the Big Ten, the Western Conference.

The school applied for membership repeatedly through 1908 and later was boycotted by the conference at the urging of then-Michigan coach Fielding Yost.

Left playing a diluted schedule, Swarbrick said, Notre Dame lost $2,000 in 1911 and $500 in 1912 and was at a crossroads when it hired Jess Harper after that season.

"He did two things that were just remarkable," Swarbrick said. "One was he engaged in a national schedule. And two was he introduced the forward pass."

St. Lous University can take issue with that assessment, considering in 1906 SLU coach Eddie Cochems arguably was the first to capitalize on the legalization of the forward pass.

But mythology always has been part of ND lore. And Harper indeed took advantage of rules changes allowing passes to be thrown outside a theoretical box and using moving targets as a new force, Swarbrick noted.

And his team popularized the pass on a grand stage against powerhouse Army at West Point in 1913.

"The New York media captured that moment," Swarbrick said, "it intersected with the immigration wave in America and Notre Dame changed forever."

At least until now.

Whether it can thrive with that niche in the future is another question, one perhaps with a parallel precedent.

Between 1924 and 1969, Notre Dame did not participate in bowl games as a matter of principle.

"It was pushing back against the trend," said the campus source mentioned earlier in this story, "but not able to stop the trend."

Can it this time?

As staunchly as Swarbrick wants to preserve the status quo, he also acknowledges it's impossible to see the future.

"This is all about media. … This is a dynamic environment fostered by that leading edge change," he said, adding, "Three years from now, it will be something else. Maybe Google's in the rights acquisition business (then)…

"What does that do to the world? How are people consuming our product in five years?"

Between then and now, differently enough, perhaps, even to test the timelessness of Notre Dame tradition."
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This kind of stuff makes me wonder what the Big 12 will start saying to make everyone believe they still pay the most.
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(05-06-2013 10:10 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  So it sounds like there is 18.5 million per B1G team in television money this year.

Yeah, 18-19 sounds about right. The rest is stuff like bowl money, Big Ten championship game money, NCAA units, Big Ten Tournament revenue, etc.
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People are also underestimating how backloaded the TV deals are...
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(05-06-2013 11:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  People are also underestimating how backloaded the TV deals are...

well for the Big Ten, in their current deal, it is near the end of the current set of deals- was like a 10 year deal and this is year 7 I believe.
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From data in a BleacherReport article:

Reported 2012-13 payout, Illinois: $24.6M
Reported 2012-13 BTN revenue, IL: $ 8.1M*


Projected 2013-14 total payout: $25.7M
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Total Projected TV revenue, 2013-14: $19.0M
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Projected TV revenue, ESPN/ABC: $10.9M
Projected BTN revenue, per team: $ 7.6M*
Projected TV revenue, CBS: $ 0.5M
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All other revenues, projected 2013-14: $ 6.7M

*Higher 2012-13 payout due to partial payment for Nebraska

IIRC, over $4M of the "other revenues" is basketball-related.
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So the big ten schools are paying out less on their network with another mouth to feed. Better damn well hope they get more money in DC and NY for Maryland and Rutgers.
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(05-07-2013 06:49 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  So the big ten schools are paying out less on their network with another mouth to feed. Better damn well hope they get more money in DC and NY for Maryland and Rutgers.

Maryland obviously made the decision to go Big Ten based on projections, not on actual current payout data. If this doesn't work out, I look for Wallace Loh to be fired. I doubt he has lots of friends at Maryland to back him up after pulling this, so he's probably on shaky ground anyway.
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Most important isn't the BTN, but rather that the Big Ten is near the end of an ESPN deal that was signed in 2006 and they are *still* making the most TV money out of anyone. When they get their new deal into place, it's going to destroy everyone else, including the SEC. The Big Ten is essentially only getting about 50% (or even less) of what their 1st tier games are worth on the open market right now. The Pac-12 is getting about $20 million per year for the same set of rights (not including the Pac-12 Network), so just imagine what the bidding war will be for the Big Ten with much higher TV ratings by comparison... and that's before the BTN even pays out a dime. Anyone from another conference or independent thinking that they're anywhere near where the Big Ten will be in 2 or 3 years is quite naive.
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Waiting on a post from Stever how this should be approx 8.5% more as only the ACC saves a share for Conference Overhead. ;-)
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(05-07-2013 07:41 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Most important isn't the BTN, but rather that the Big Ten is near the end of an ESPN deal that was signed in 2006 and they are *still* making the most TV money out of anyone. When they get their new deal into place, it's going to destroy everyone else, including the SEC. The Big Ten is essentially only getting about 50% (or even less) of what their 1st tier games are worth on the open market right now. The Pac-12 is getting about $20 million per year for the same set of rights (not including the Pac-12 Network), so just imagine what the bidding war will be for the Big Ten with much higher TV ratings by comparison... and that's before the BTN even pays out a dime. Anyone from another conference or independent thinking that they're anywhere near where the Big Ten will be in 2 or 3 years is quite naive.

Frank, how many tier 1 games do you think the Big Ten produces? I'm thinking 1 per week, give or take... the rest are tier 2 and 3 games. JMO. Nonetheless, I would not be surprised if the B1G continues to lead all other conferences in total payout. I just don't think it will be by as large a margin as most people seem to think.
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(05-07-2013 07:41 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Most important isn't the BTN, but rather that the Big Ten is near the end of an ESPN deal that was signed in 2006 and they are *still* making the most TV money out of anyone. When they get their new deal into place, it's going to destroy everyone else, including the SEC. The Big Ten is essentially only getting about 50% (or even less) of what their 1st tier games are worth on the open market right now. The Pac-12 is getting about $20 million per year for the same set of rights (not including the Pac-12 Network), so just imagine what the bidding war will be for the Big Ten with much higher TV ratings by comparison... and that's before the BTN even pays out a dime. Anyone from another conference or independent thinking that they're anywhere near where the Big Ten will be in 2 or 3 years is quite naive.

Yes, the BTN is already contributing almost $8m per school on top of the $11m or so from their last media rights deal that expires in three years. Very wise of them to only sign a ten year deal in 2006.

As i have tried to explain, they will wallop the SEC in the coming years thanks to the SEC signing that awful 2008 deal the damage from which the new SECN does not mitigate.
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HokieMark - "1st tier" is much broader than just the top game of the week. It's really 3 to 5 football games per week (1 or 2 for ABC and 2 or 3 for ESPN/ESPN2) plus multiple basketball games. What's probably the best way to characterize the ESPN deal for the Big Ten and the ESPN/Fox deals for the Pac-12 and Big 12 is that they include 1st tier and high 2nd tier rights, while the BTN and Pac-12 Network have low 2nd tier/3rd tier rights.

So, yes, the gap will actually be very large even in a conservative projection. If the Big Ten merely matches the Pac-12 (and the Big Ten without question is worth substantially more) and the BTN merely maintains its current level of payouts, then the Big Ten will take home $30 million per school in TV money (which would be over 50% more than the ACC as Big 12). Once again, that's assuming that the Big Ten does NOT get more than the Pac-12 and the Maryland/Rutgers additions don't add any BTN revenue. Heck, even if the BTN payouts dropped to zero, the Big Ten would still make more TV money than any conference. Believe me, Maryland ain't worried.
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(05-07-2013 06:49 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  So the big ten schools are paying out less on their network with another mouth to feed. Better damn well hope they get more money in DC and NY for Maryland and Rutgers.

Yuh think that just might be in the cards? 03-lmfao
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Frank,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the ESPN only has the B1G's tier 1 contract. The tier 2&3 rights are held by the BTN. If that is correct, the B1G is on par with the other conferences. The Pac12, ACC, and Big 12 are all scheduled to make about $20 million for their tier 1 and tier 2 rights. The ACC has all three included for that price. But the B1G distributed about $19 million for all tiers. Am I missing something here or are people double counting the tier 2 rights for the B1G?

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(05-07-2013 06:49 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  So the big ten schools are paying out less on their network with another mouth to feed. Better damn well hope they get more money in DC and NY for Maryland and Rutgers.

Because, unlike the ACC (who had to fight off the public perception that they were a conference at risk) the B1G did not renegotiate their deals after Nebraska was added, figuring they would make more money in the long run by getting to the open market (even if they slightly diluted payout for a few years).
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(05-07-2013 08:23 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Frank,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the ESPN only has the B1G's tier 1 contract. The tier 2&3 rights are held by the BTN. If that is correct, the B1G is on par with the other conferences. The Pac12, ACC, and Big 12 are all scheduled to make about $20 million for their tier 1 and tier 2 rights. The ACC has all three included for that price. But the B1G distributed about $19 million for all tiers. Am I missing something here or are people double counting the tier 2 rights for the B1G?

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I think it's a matter of semantics when we're talking about tiers. What one conference might call 1st tier is what another conference might call 2nd tier. What ultimately matters is that in substance, the ESPN/Big Ten deal is the equivalent of ESPN/Fox deals with the Pac-12 and Big 12 in terms of rights. Hasn't anyone noticed how many Big Ten games are on ABC and ESPN every week? I know that I've seen plenty of old Big East people complain about it. It's certainly more far reaching than the SEC/CBS deal. Completely disregarding the BTN, the only conference that matches the Big Ten's exposure on the ESPN networks is the SEC.

ESPN's deal with the ACC covers all 3 tiers. ESPN's new deal with the SEC that includes the SEC Network covers all 3 tiers with the exception of the very top 1st tier football games that go to CBS.

I've pointed out a long time ago that the BTN gets lot of the media play in terms of Big Ten expansion, but no one should forget how much those Big Ten games that are currently under the traditional ESPN contract are going to be worth on the open market. Maryland and Rutgers don't even have to add revenue to the BTN side for the Big Ten to still receive a massive windfall from the ESPN (or whoever else might bid on the Big Ten) side.
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