(04-29-2013 05:11 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 05:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 04:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it's a bad idea long term. It just raises the costs for everyone. The schools will be even more money-hungry, and will need E$PN and other networds even more, and will sacrifice more (ethics, etc) to get that money. Tickets will go up to pay for it. Schools like Texas can afford it, but what about many other schools even in the P5?

All they are doing is making the rules similar to what they do for kids on academic scholarships.

So kids on academic scholarships get money for just whatever they want?

If they can get enough, then yes. I had a friend who was actually getting paid about $10K a year to go to college after all of his scholarships. He had more than he could spend on tuition, room & board, and books, so he basically took the rest as income.

(04-29-2013 05:35 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Just wait until they find out they have to give the same amount to the women's teams too. Hello Title 9.

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(04-29-2013 07:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 05:35 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Just wait until they find out they have to give the same amount to the women's teams too. Hello Title 9.

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Anti-trust lawsuit. Stop them from ruining college sports anymore than they already have.

(04-29-2013 07:18 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  I think the stipend issue is a little overblown. If it were "reasonable" it wouldn't bankrupt a school. I'd guess it'd be something like $500 a month. If you give that to "money-making" sports, then you'll see about $600,000 to $800,000 a year (depending on which sports you classify as money-makers). Expensive, yes, but not crippling for most programs. Some of these schools get tens of millions a year; they can probably spare this much.

Title IX would never allow the stipend to be given to only money making sports.

(04-29-2013 07:42 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 05:11 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 05:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 04:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it's a bad idea long term. It just raises the costs for everyone. The schools will be even more money-hungry, and will need E$PN and other networds even more, and will sacrifice more (ethics, etc) to get that money. Tickets will go up to pay for it. Schools like Texas can afford it, but what about many other schools even in the P5?

All they are doing is making the rules similar to what they do for kids on academic scholarships.

So kids on academic scholarships get money for just whatever they want?

If they can get enough, then yes. I had a friend who was actually getting paid about $10K a year to go to college after all of his scholarships. He had more than he could spend on tuition, room & board, and books, so he basically took the rest as income.

The only strings on scholarship dollars are that any amount over the cost of tuition and fees is fully taxable as income and will be reported by the school on a 1098 so it must be declared by the student or student athlete. Any scholarships from sources other than the institution of attendance must be self-reported as income if no 1098 is issued.

(04-29-2013 07:18 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  I think the stipend issue is a little overblown. If it were "reasonable" it wouldn't bankrupt a school. I'd guess it'd be something like $500 a month. If you give that to "money-making" sports, then you'll see about $600,000 to $800,000 a year (depending on which sports you classify as money-makers). Expensive, yes, but not crippling for most programs. Some of these schools get tens of millions a year; they can probably spare this much.

Very few schools actually make money on sports, even football. And how would you get away with giving the stipend only to "money-making" sports? Sounds like a lawsuit.

Would that then make the athlete's professional or semi-pro? Wouldn't that reclassify an institution to an sports franchise vs a non-profit educational? It might take away their tax exempt status if that is the case.

Scholarships do not cover the full costs associated with attendance. The Federal Government has a formula that is used in financial aid calculations for the amount that exceeds tuition, fees, room, and board.

The P5 are never going to vote to exceed that calculation of full cost of attendance because it raises the risk of triggering worker's comp, the Fair Labor Standards Act, and numerous other issues.

While the stipend does not have universal support within FBS, it has a majority. As noted in another post, the Sun Belt was the first conference to authorize its members to implement the stipend rule.

The rule that was adopted (and then repealed) had a lot of problems, most notably it was very unclear how it would be implemented in sports where grants can be split.

I'm not sure why people cling to the idea the P5 would split over football, the revenue sharing there is negligible and the pool of potential FBS opponents is so small it has caused rapid inflation in game guarantees.

If a split happens it will be about power, having control over the rules, right now the FBS leagues hold the power on the Board but the ability to refer votes to the membership triggers a one-school, one-vote system where the FBS are out-numbered 2 to 1 and the P5 outnumbered 4 to 1.

The next biggest risk is NCAA enforcement, it's been proven crooked in the Miami case and it appears the USC investigation was crooked as well.

Third on the risk list is the sharing model for basketball.

Football is the lowest risk of triggering a split.

I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

San Antonio would eat that up

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

Arent they re-launching the USFL next year?

Why am I not surprised to see the fear filled responses of "Hark! This portends to the end of the world in regards to college football!"

The costs could be reduced if they used student income status, like the IRS. Give the poor kids a break and not the rich kids. Like the school lunch assistance programs. We are responsible for the health insurance as parents until age 26 now. Let the universities use the parental income as the measurement for aid. If your papa is a congressman he can buy your jeans and shirts. If the kid's parent is a hard working single mom working at Dollar General, give them a little help. It won't add up to anywhere near $800,000.

(04-29-2013 10:27 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

Arent they re-launching the USFL next year?

The original USFL idea/concept by David Dixon (franchises in non-NFL cities, spring game schedule only, keep costs down, don't directly compete with the NFL) was a good one.

Jackwads like Donald Trump ruined any chance the USFL had to survive.

Are you proposing that a new USFL act as a minor league?

The original one was not, it had players who had used up their college eligibility.

(04-29-2013 10:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:27 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

Arent they re-launching the USFL next year?

The original USFL idea/concept by David Dixon (franchises in non-NFL cities, spring game schedule only, keep costs down, don't directly compete with the NFL) was a good one.

Jackwads like Donald Trump ruined any chance the USFL had to survive.

Are you proposing that a new USFL act as a minor league?

The original one was not, it had players who had used up their college eligibility.

The league expects to field eight teams and play a 14-game regular season from March to June with a four-team playoff system and championship starting in the spring of 2014. The league is a professional league, but will operate as a developmental minor league which will afford players and personnel the opportunity to advance their level of play to other leagues like the National Football League, Arena Football League or Canadian Football League. The league rules will mirror those of the NFL.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat...ue_(2013-)
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Besides the obvious of title 9, would players still technically have to wait 3 years after graduating HS to go to the NFL?

(04-29-2013 10:27 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

Arent they re-launching the USFL next year?

Man, I had no idea this USFL thing was even in the works. If they can learn from old mistakes, spring/summer football will save me.... It does seem kinda like bad timing as the NFL draft is not until April, so the kids that are undrafted will not be able to play in the USFL that particular year, as the USFL season will already be underway.

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

Exactly my thoughts.

Let the Cam Newtons and OJ Mayos of the world go pro or semi pro right away and instead use those scholarships for guys who really want a degree they can use once they graduate.

That way most schools would run clean programs and cheating would be minimized. When was the last time a baseball program got on probation by the NCAA? I'm sure there's been some but few compared to football and basketball.

(04-29-2013 11:18 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the NFL and the NBA should establish minor leagues like major league baseball. They could sign kids right out of high school who would rather be paid right now instead of going to college.

The current college football setup would be for the other kids who would rather forego the NFL minor league and play college football under scholarship.

It would be a lot like the current college baseball setup.

Exactly my thoughts.

Let the Cam Newtons and OJ Mayos of the world go pro or semi pro right away and instead use those scholarships for guys who really want a degree they can use once they graduate.

That way most schools would run clean programs and cheating would be minimized. When was the last time a baseball program got on probation by the NCAA? I'm sure there's been some but few compared to football and basketball.

This would only be successful if the new league did not fail. I guess if it did fail we could just fall back to the existing system, but wouldn't these kids who chose the minor league route lose their NCAA eligibility. If the new league ever failed they will have forever screwed themselves out of a future scholarship.

(04-29-2013 04:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  I think the new rule should be passed. Many of these kids are recruited from poor neighborhoods and circumstances. All of the sudden they are shoved into the limelight and cannot even afford decent clothes or a movie, or a few bucks to take their girlfriend on a date. I think this causes many of the problems we see. Shoplifting, selling autographs, etc. Give them an allowance and then if they screw up lower the boom on them. We don't have to pay them a lot, but a maintenance allowance would be appropriate.

Yea meanwhile they are in classes with kids no more pocket change who are raking up 25K per year in debt.... Cry me a river...