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Republicans Will Clobber Obamacare Until They Hug It
After John Boehner was elected leader of the House Republicans in 2006, Fox News host Chris Wallace asked him what was, at the time, an obvious question: “Medicare prescription drug benefit,” Wallace said. “How do you think it’s working?”

This might have been a moment for Boehner to brag about one of the Republican Party’s most significant legislative achievements. Or, if politics didn’t permit patting himself on the back, perhaps he could have tried some elegant spin. But Boehner didn’t mince words: “The implementation of the Medicare plan has been horrendous,” he replied.
This wasn’t news. In 2003, Republicans had passed, and President George W. Bush had signed, the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act. The process itself was notorious: Republicans intimidated Medicare’s actuary into withholding cost projections and, after the bill looked to be failing in the House, held the vote open for hours past the deadline as Republican leaders twisted arms and promised payoffs. In 2004, the House Ethics Committee issued a “public admonishment” to Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay for essentially bribing a fellow Republican for his vote.

In 2006, the bill went into effect. It was a disaster. Computer systems didn’t communicate with one another. Seniors were confused. Some of the poorest and sickest enrollees -- “dual eligibles” who qualify for aid under both Medicare and Medicaid -- weren’t able to get their drugs. It was so bad that in his 2006 State of the Union address, Bush “said nothing about the new Medicare prescription drug program, an initiative Republicans once hoped to trumpet but has angered many seniors in its implementation,” reported the Washington Post.
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Washington was so consumed by the blame game that even non- politicians felt moved to defend themselves. “I was offended by a Jan. 14 front-page story that said that one problem with the Medicare Part D prescription drug program is poorly trained pharmacists,” wrote one Washington Post reader. “As a pharmacist, I want to say that we were dealt a lemon with this program.”

A 2006 hearing before the Senate Special Committee on Aging could’ve been a moment for Democrats to hammer the prescription drug bill. Instead, Senator Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, then the top Democrat on the panel, said it was important “to put aside any partisan thoughts to work together to get this program running.” Hillary Clinton, then a senator from New York pushing an alternative prescription drug plan, was similarly constructive. “I voted against it, but once it passed I certainly determined that I would try to do everything I could to make sure that New Yorkers understood it, could access it, and make the best of it,” she said. She went on, in true Clinton fashion, to recommend an informational brochure her staff had put together.

The kinks in the program were eventually worked out. Today Medicare Part D is widely considered a success. Costs have come in below expectations -- though in large part because pharmaceutical companies have invented fewer expensive new drugs than expected. Seniors are happy with the program. The Republican Party considers it a huge achievement -- even a model for future policies. “Our reforms draw upon the lessons of Medicare’s prescription drug program,” promised Representative Paul Ryan. Democrats, rather than attempting to repeal or overhaul Part D, used the Affordable Care Act to expand it.

There are lessons here about the difficulty of implementing large programs, the dangers of extrapolating from a program’s first months to gauge its long-term success and what it means to be a loyal opposition. The Republican Party isn’t learning them.
‘Train Wreck’

Republicans have done everything possible to keep Obamacare from getting up and running smoothly. They’ve refused to sign off on any budget that includes the necessary money for implementation. At a hearing last week where Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus of Montana warned of a “train wreck” if the rollout wasn’t effectively managed, Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, the ranking Republican on the committee, attacked Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius for implementing the law with existing funds.

“A quick review of the HHS budget in brief seems to suggest that you are diverting funds from other areas of the department to put toward implementation,” Hatch said. “Would you describe the authority under which you believe you have the ability to conduct such transfers and whether or not you believe the Congress should be notified when these transfers occur?”

Consider the implicit argument there. The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land, and the Obama administration is legally bound to implement it. Having denied the necessary funding to do so, Republicans now want to hinder the administration’s ability to transfer other funding, to ensure that Obamacare becomes the disaster Republicans have promised.

The more horrendous the rollout, the more effectively Republicans can run against Obamacare in 2014. That might work: I wouldn’t be surprised to see Obamacare end up as a net negative for Democrats in the 2014 election -- much as Medicare Part D was for Republicans in 2006. But by the 2016 presidential election, it’s likely to be a law that Democrats brag about and Republicans scamper to get behind. And the final act of this depressing little political play will be Republicans embracing this policy that they did everything to destroy, and trying to build on it.

Don’t believe it? Some Republicans are already arguing that Ryan’s Medicare premium support plan simply brings Obamacare to Medicare. “The great irony of Obama’s triumph, however, is that it can pave the way for Republicans to adopt a comprehensive, market-oriented healthcare agenda,” wrote Avik Roy and Douglas Holtz-Eakin, two influential Republican policy advisers. They argue that “both Representative Paul Ryan’s ‘premium support’ proposal for Medicare and Obamacare’s exchanges are modeled on the Swiss system,” and that Republicans should push to have Medicare beneficiaries “gradually migrate into the exchanges’ premium-support systems.”

See? Republicans can go from arguing that Obamacare should be repealed to arguing that it needs to be expanded in a flash. But not until they’ve squeezed every political benefit from making its implementation disastrous.

(Ezra Klein is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24...ug-it.html
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Obamacare will be an albatross for America for Generations. It will lead to a bankrupt nation and people in circumstances like ours will see their children die. Before the end of your life you will admit this was wrong for America.
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Questions:

Do you think the costs will skyrocket?

If yes, how do you think the government will manage those costs?
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(04-25-2013 06:35 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  “A quick review of the HHS budget in brief seems to suggest that you are diverting funds from other areas of the department to put toward implementation,” Hatch said. “Would you describe the authority under which you believe you have the ability to conduct such transfers and whether or not you believe the Congress should be notified when these transfers occur?”

So let me make sure I understand this correctly. We can move funds around when it comes to implementing Obamacare, but we can't move funds around to get our airplanes to fly on time? Right.

Quote:Don’t believe it? Some Republicans are already arguing that Ryan’s Medicare premium support plan simply brings Obamacare to Medicare. “The great irony of Obama’s triumph, however, is that it can pave the way for Republicans to adopt a comprehensive, market-oriented healthcare agenda,” wrote Avik Roy and Douglas Holtz-Eakin, two influential Republican policy advisers. They argue that “both Representative Paul Ryan’s ‘premium support’ proposal for Medicare and Obamacare’s exchanges are modeled on the Swiss system,” and that Republicans should push to have Medicare beneficiaries “gradually migrate into the exchanges’ premium-support systems.”
(Ezra Klein is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24...ug-it.html

Note very carefully what was said in the quote. Obamacare is not modeled after the Swiss system. The exchanges which are PART of Obamacare are modeled on the Swiss system. They were first brought into the discussion by republicans in the 1990s as an alternative to Hillarycare, although those exchanges were more free-market and less burdened with all the regulatory overkill that is part of Obamacare's "exchanges." The other 90% of Obamacare has nothing to do with the Swiss system, and therein lies the problem. All of the systems generally regarded as best in the world--France, Germany, Holland, Switzerland--are modeled on the Bismarck model, which is somewhat like the Ryan plan or the exchanges WITHOUT the rest of Obamacare.

This is the same argument we got about Romneycare. Oh, one part of Obamacare is just like something else, therefore Obamacare is just like something else. I can probably find one part of a Mercedez-Benz that's just like one part of a GEO, but that doesn't make them the same car.

A system modeled after Switzerland would be good, although technically it's not universal care (that's a very small technicality and in practicality it is universal). As would a system modeled after France or Holland or Germany. Such a system would include something similar to the exchanges. That's why republicans came up with the idea of market-based (not regulatory-based) exchanges originally. It would also include premium support (like the Ryan plan) funded by consumption taxes. But such a system would not include an Independent Payment Advisory Board, nor a Health Choices Commission, nor a Council on Comparative Outcomes, or any of what's in about 1800 pages of Obamacare. That's the problem, and that's what's going to sink Obamacare.

Roy and Holtz-Eakin are right. There's a huge opportunity here for republicans to latch onto something that would actually work, and offer it as an alternative to the cluster**** that is going to be Obamacare. But that opportunity has been there for a long time, and they've done nothing with it. Obamacare is not going to fail because of republican opposition. It's going to fail because it cannot possibly work.
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(04-25-2013 06:54 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Questions:
Do you think the costs will skyrocket?
If yes, how do you think the government will manage those costs?

I'll give you CBO's answers, from the same report that was quoted as saying "Obamacare will reduce the deficit."

Yes.

Reduce quality and restrict access.

It will be that way because that's the only way it can be. That's the way universal systems operate. They do a good job of providing basic preventive care to healthy people, and a horrible job of taking care of people who are actually sick. Keeping well people healthy is an extremely cost-effective element of health care, which is why universal systems tend to score highly based on the metrics used in studies like the WHO study. But if you are really, really sick, you don't want to be in a country with a universal system, because you'll get bad care delayed.

Look at the models I like, the Bismarck systems, particularly the French version which I like best. They essentially combine a basic level of universal care with the opportunity to supplement on the free market (kind of like Ryan's premium-support plan). The care on the "free" side sucks. Believe me, I've been there. But you don't care because you use the "free" side for things like tetanus shots where you really aren't willing to pay a lot more for special care, and you go to the "pay" side (which works like here) when you actually get sick.
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(04-25-2013 07:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 06:54 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Questions:
Do you think the costs will skyrocket?
If yes, how do you think the government will manage those costs?

I'll give you CBO's answers, from the same report that was quoted as saying "Obamacare will reduce the deficit."

Yes.

Reduce quality and restrict access.

It will be that way because that's the only way it can be. That's the way universal systems operate. They do a good job of providing basic preventive care to healthy people, and a horrible job of taking care of people who are actually sick. Keeping well people healthy is an extremely cost-effective element of health care, which is why universal systems tend to score highly based on the metrics used in studies like the WHO study. But if you are really, really sick, you don't want to be in a country with a universal system, because you'll get bad care delayed.

Look at the models I like, the Bismarck systems, particularly the French version which I like best. They essentially combine a basic level of universal care with the opportunity to supplement on the free market (kind of like Ryan's premium-support plan). The care on the "free" side sucks. Believe me, I've been there. But you don't care because you use the "free" side for things like tetanus shots where you really aren't willing to pay a lot more for special care, and you go to the "pay" side (which works like here) when you actually get sick.


I agree. I really want Mach to explain why he can take a pragmatic approach to abortion and not Obamacare...to him abortion is all about money and outcomes so I'm interested to read how he squares those two against his support of Obamacare. Bottom line is that he can't. I want to see him try though. 07-coffee3
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good luck with that
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Surprising you two skipped over an important part.

A 2006 hearing before the Senate Special Committee on Aging could’ve been a moment for Democrats to hammer the prescription drug bill. Instead, Senator Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, then the top Democrat on the panel, said it was important “to put aside any partisan thoughts to work together to get this program running.” Hillary Clinton, then a senator from New York pushing an alternative prescription drug plan, was similarly constructive. “I voted against it, but once it passed I certainly determined that I would try to do everything I could to make sure that New Yorkers understood it, could access it, and make the best of it,” she said. She went on, in true Clinton fashion, to recommend an informational brochure her staff had put together.


and to answer your question IMATY. It's as simple as me not knowing what is best for your family or anybody else.
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(04-25-2013 07:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Surprising you two skipped over an important part.

A 2006 hearing before the Senate Special Committee on Aging could’ve been a moment for Democrats to hammer the prescription drug bill. Instead, Senator Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, then the top Democrat on the panel, said it was important “to put aside any partisan thoughts to work together to get this program running.” Hillary Clinton, then a senator from New York pushing an alternative prescription drug plan, was similarly constructive. “I voted against it, but once it passed I certainly determined that I would try to do everything I could to make sure that New Yorkers understood it, could access it, and make the best of it,” she said. She went on, in true Clinton fashion, to recommend an informational brochure her staff had put together.


and to answer your question IMATY. It's as simple as me not knowing what is best for your family or anybody else.

but the government does? gotcha
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and I'm going to institute the "IMATY-BIE" rule. Whenever you want to derail a thread. Just bring abortion into it. Start your own damn thread up about abortion. You think we haven't discussed that enough on here?
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Start up your own thread and I'll comment on it. Let's get back to commenting on the article.
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(04-25-2013 07:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Start up your own thread and I'll comment on it. Let's get back to commenting on the article.

I'm instituting the Machiavelli rule. Don't tell me what we can't talk about. Your positions don't square. You're inconsistent and I was pointing that out.

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LOL
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(04-25-2013 07:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I agree. I really want Mach to explain why he can take a pragmatic approach to abortion and not Obamacare...to him abortion is all about money and outcomes so I'm interested to read how he squares those two against his support of Obamacare. Bottom line is that he can't. I want to see him try though. 07-coffee3

Mach is incapable of having a conversation about abortion that does not involve him calling someone an extremist or saying he wants to kill the children for their own good...

Let him skate on it because nothing constructive will come of trying to engage him on that. Find another less emotional inconsistency for him to address, believe me he has plenty.
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"get them addicted to it and then force them to pay whatever I want them to pay for my product" is precisely the same operational business model as a crack dealer. and it's even more morally vile.
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Costs will skyrocket, insurance will skyrocket, and when you try to get rid of it or amend it
the Dems and Libs will call you a racist, a bigot, anti immigration, it will be the fault of the 1%
people etc., more class warfare. Perfect legacy for Obama, exactly want he wants.
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(04-25-2013 10:06 AM)EagleX Wrote:  "get them addicted to it and then force them to pay whatever I want them to pay for my product" is precisely the same operational business model as a crack dealer. and it's even more morally vile.

Agree.

But let's not forget the goal of Obamacare was not to lower costs. The goal of Obamacare was to get us started on the road to single payer. That is the only way to explain some of the monstrously stupid things included in it.

And now even have democrats talking about what a monstrosity it is and how hard it will be to implement it.

As Owl pointed out, the problem with Obamacare isn't the idea of an exchange. It's everything else the bill contained. A big fat wet dream of liberal social engineering.
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Funny that Congress (including some of the law's biggest Democratic cheerleaders) is secretly trying to get itself an exemption from that wonderful exchange, with help from the Obama Administration. Damn Republicans sabotaging the implementation!

Quote:Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.

The talks — which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers — are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers and thousands of their aides. Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/ob...z2RUh0eVpS
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Blazer, you beat me to it, posting that. Congress wanting to opt out of what they inflict on us should not be a partisan issue.

If Obamacare is so great for us, it should be for themselves, too. I'd like to see a groundswell of opposition from all corners to condemn Congress for even contemplating this. It tells us all we need to know about how disconnected they are from real people and as how they see themselves as being above all of us peons.

Imperial Congress, indeed.
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(04-25-2013 07:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  and to answer your question IMATY. It's as simple as me not knowing what is best for your family or anybody else.

How does this square with favoring Obamacare?

Obamacare is all about having somebody else tell you what is best for you and your family.
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