Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

What does that make Louisville?

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

What do we have to do with anything?

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

So basically the B1G tried to do an "ACC" on the ACC, but was stopped by the ACC, thus making the B1G "ACC'd".

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

(2) Yes. This applies to potential Big 12 and SEC expansion as well.

(3) The ND add was an almost desperate move by the ACC to placate the football oriented schools in an effort to entice them to stay.

With the GOR now in place, the ACC now has it's stability, and the almost certainty of it's own B1G like network.
Ironically, it doesn't need ND anymore at all.

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

(2) Yes. This applies to potential Big 12 and SEC expansion as well.

(3) The ND add was an almost desperate move by the ACC to placate the football oriented schools in an effort to entice them to stay.

With the GOR now in place, the ACC now has it's stability, and the almost certainty of it's own B1G like network.
Ironically, it doesn't need ND anymore at all.

(1) OK, but since Delany says that the ACC GOR has stopped B1G expansion, that implies that the B1G intended to expand further at the ACC's expense, whether UVA was in the mix or not.

The ACC does not need Notre Dame anymore, but it is never a bad thing to have your teams schedule games with Notre Dame. That guarantees media coverage.

But I bet Notre Dame regrets the deal since it signed it when its football was struggling and there were questions about its continued "relevance". It benefits from playing ACC teams far less than ACC teams do from playing Notre Dame.

Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means"

(04-24-2013 10:36 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

You should focus on enjoying the AAC instead of worrying about what the ACC is doing.

(04-24-2013 10:36 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

Hmmm I sense some bitterness.

BTW, Cuse has beaten several BCS winning teams over the last 6 years or so. Surely our upside looks much better than it did under GRob. You forget both Cuse and Pitt have long histories of high level football. Tradition means something.

Time for your UConn to be the leader of the AAC and get the next call up.

I think the big 10 screwed themselves more than ND by trying to box in ND and UNC into big 10 membership. I think FSU would have accepted a solo big 10 invite, thus you could have had this setup:

Wis, Mn, Io, Neb
NW, ILL, MSU, FSU
IU, Pur, OSU, UM
PSU, Cuse, Rut, Mar

Also, the big 10 could have landed Missouri and KU after picking up nebraska and you could have had this setup:

NW, ILL, Wis, Min
IO, Neb, KU, Mo
Rut, Mar, PSU, MSU
IU, Pur, OSU, UM

yet instead of creating a solid 16 team league, big 10 tried to jam ND and/or UNC into submission.

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  (3) The ND add was an almost desperate move by the ACC to placate the football oriented schools in an effort to entice them to stay.

ND has a standing invite to the B1G and was being openly courted by the B12 and you think adding them was an act of desperation? That is an interesting interpretation that I am not sure many would agree with, myself included.

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(04-24-2013 12:26 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  (3) The ND add was an almost desperate move by the ACC to placate the football oriented schools in an effort to entice them to stay.

ND has a standing invite to the B1G and was being openly courted by the B12 and you think adding them was an act of desperation? That is an interesting interpretation that I am not sure many would agree with, myself included.

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ND got the best deal they could from the ACC.
Neither the B10 or B12 needed ND to patch up their football strength.

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

A Hell of better member than Maryland.

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The ACC survived, but winning the war is a major stretch. It may turn into the premier basketball conference, but its pretty enconsched as the 5th best football conference for the forseeable future.

Further, while adding Syracuse helps give the ACC a presence in the Northeast with BC, the B1G has a stranglehold the mid-atlantic region of Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (PSU).

Well, the ACC/B1G challenges should be exciting for the next several years.

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Getting the Ville appeased both Clemson and FSU. They were the primary players when this went down, and the Big XII appeared to be on the hunt.

(04-24-2013 12:57 PM)MiamiWolv Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The ACC survived, but winning the war is a major stretch. It may turn into the premier basketball conference, but its pretty enconsched as the 5th best football conference for the forseeable future.

Further, while adding Syracuse helps give the ACC a presence in the Northeast with BC, the B1G has a stranglehold the mid-atlantic region of Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (PSU).

Well, the ACC/B1G challenges should be exciting for the next several years.

May turn into a "premier BB conference"? I think they have BB covered... welcome aboard Miami. Glad to have ya.