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RE: Expansion rumors
(04-19-2013 03:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 02:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Mobile already houses the cruise ship that the SBC is cruising on...

The way it is going it must be a Carnival cruise ship.

The Carnival cruise ship Triump has been in Mobile since being towed there with no power and full of passengers.

You sure that doesn't have USA on it anywhere?
Like in the conference, not the school.
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(04-19-2013 03:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 03:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 02:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Mobile already houses the cruise ship that the SBC is cruising on...

The way it is going it must be a Carnival cruise ship.

The Carnival cruise ship Triump has been in Mobile since being towed there with no power and full of passengers.

You sure that doesn't have USA on it anywhere?
Like in the conference, not the school.

someone said that adding jax state would not hurt the conf. but that is not true..adding any more small regional schools like jax state or liberty would just add to the small time perception of the conference. my view is that mo state should be encouraged to join and then the conference should stop adding..
04-21-2013 09:01 AM
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RE: Expansion rumors
(04-21-2013 09:01 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 03:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 03:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 02:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Mobile already houses the cruise ship that the SBC is cruising on...

The way it is going it must be a Carnival cruise ship.

The Carnival cruise ship Triump has been in Mobile since being towed there with no power and full of passengers.

You sure that doesn't have USA on it anywhere?
Like in the conference, not the school.

someone said that adding jax state would not hurt the conf. but that is not true..adding any more small regional schools like jax state or liberty would just add to the small time perception of the conference. my view is that mo state should be encouraged to join and then the conference should stop adding..

If Mo State isnt a regional why would it want in a conference with all regional universities.
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RE: Expansion rumors
(04-21-2013 09:01 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 03:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 03:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 02:42 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  
(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Mobile already houses the cruise ship that the SBC is cruising on...

The way it is going it must be a Carnival cruise ship.

The Carnival cruise ship Triump has been in Mobile since being towed there with no power and full of passengers.

You sure that doesn't have USA on it anywhere?
Like in the conference, not the school.

someone said that adding jax state would not hurt the conf. but that is not true..adding any more small regional schools like jax state or liberty would just add to the small time perception of the conference. my view is that mo state should be encouraged to join and then the conference should stop adding..

We will never be done adding during this time of realignment. The Idaho add is a short term solution for those guys. They will eventually get the NDSU's of the west to move up to FBS and they will restart the WAC, it's only a matter of time. And then we will be looking to add again.
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There will be more adds from the top down probably not this year, maybe not next, but it will happen again. And the SBC will be adding more.
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Had there been any open planning by the conferences, all of them, then none of this would be an issue. The BCS conferences would have added, the Gof5 conferences would have probably just combined the SBC and C-USA and we would be done. But egos and lack of any forsight has left us in this position.
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(04-21-2013 10:08 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Had there been any open planning by the conferences, all of them, then none of this would be an issue. The BCS conferences would have added, the Gof5 conferences would have probably just combined the SBC and C-USA and we would be done. But egos and lack of any forsight has left us in this position.

Agree
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College football is about money, the reason conferences don't merge is because people who are used to an amount of money and power is not going to give that up for the betterment of others.
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(04-21-2013 10:13 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  College football is about money, the reason conferences don't merge is because people who are used to an amount of money and power is not going to give that up for the betterment of others.

And because of this the final product will be worse and the potential worth of the product will be less, for everyone. When schools in Georgia and NC are in the same conference as schools in NM and Idaho, or schools in WV in conferences with schools to as far west TX you can go. This will implode eventually, from top to bottom and we will have to deal with this garbage once again.
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(04-21-2013 10:19 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 10:13 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  College football is about money, the reason conferences don't merge is because people who are used to an amount of money and power is not going to give that up for the betterment of others.

And because of this the final product will be worse and the potential worth of the product will be less, for everyone. When schools in Georgia and NC are in the same conference as schools in NM and Idaho, or schools in WV in conferences with schools to as far west TX you can go. This will implode eventually, from top to bottom and we will have to deal with this garbage once again.

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(04-21-2013 09:14 AM)Usajags Wrote:  We will never be done adding during this time of realignment.

So many people say this and its not true. Realignment is not an endless conveyor belt. The SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 are not going to keep adding until they get to a 100. The number of possible slots are VERY limited.

The slots in every FBS conference are going to be completely full up at some point and the conveyor belt will lock up and movement will stop.

Some school who dreams of the SEC is going to be left just outside the door....pretty much forever. Some FCS school who dreams of an FBS move-up will be left outside the door....possibly for a generation.

You have a limited number of FBS conferences with a limited number of slots each. You might have some minimal jockeying around at the lower levels like you did when Temple got kicked. But they will be extraordinary cases.

I don't see any of the majors dissolving in the future. I think it is highly unlikely that any of the majors drop teams in the future no matter how much regret they might have. Wake Forest, Vandy, Miss State, Indiana, Oregon State, and Baylor are most likely not going anywhere. Once those slots at the upper levels are filled they tend to stick for a very long time.

Even if mighty FIU starts selling out every game, builds a state of the art stadium that rivals everything in FBS, wins National Championships, and gets on tv every week and rakes in the money they will not move because there will be no slots available to move to without kicking a Vandy or Indiana out. Won't happen.

The bottom line is that you will find yourself in a conference at some point that will probably be your home for a long time. The "pecking order" won't mean nearly as much. At that point it will be time to stop wishing, hoping, begging, and griping and focus on unity and a long-term strategy for moving up the conference rankings instead.

In the words of The Eagles "There is no more new frontier, we have got to make it here."

We MIGHT be at that point right now and just don't know it. I won't be surprised if there are a few more moves and I won't be surprised if there aren't any at all.
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Until the Big 12 drops the hammer and blows the current situation up, I will not believe this is over. If all were to stop right now, with no more expected changes, we have 2 more years until everyone is in the conference they will stay in. With that being said, this is far from over. And eventually, the BCS conferences will grow to 16, and in a few years the weaker of that bunch will implode and divide and we will go through this all over again.

Unless the powers that be join together and start some actual planning for the future there will never be stability.
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(04-21-2013 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Until the Big 12 drops the hammer and blows the current situation up, I will not believe this is over. If all were to stop right now, with no more expected changes, we have 2 more years until everyone is in the conference they will stay in. With that being said, this is far from over. And eventually, the BCS conferences will grow to 16, and in a few years the weaker of that bunch will implode and divide and we will go through this all over again.

Unless the powers that be join together and start some actual planning for the future there will never be stability.

The reality is that many of the biggie conferences (and some of the smaller ones) have exit fees that are getting out of control. 50 million to leave the ACC. No home games on TV for 5 years for leaving the Big XII. The universe of teams willing or able to pay these penalties is quite small.

Lets recap

1) SEC - Its highly unlikly anyone will leave this conference. Perhaps Mizzou, but its unlikely.
2) Big XII - There is a grant of TV rights for any team leaving. What that means is that if say Oklahoma State bolts for the PAC12 is that the Big XII will own their TV rights for 5 years. No home TV games for any team leaving for 5 years. And financial penalties.
3) B1G - Unlikely any team would leave.
4) ACC - Many teams might wish to leave, but severe penalties exist for teams bolting.
5) PAC12 - No one is leaving this conference.

The Mountain West is kind of out of it due to geography. Boise or SDSU might be usable to the Big XII or the PAC, but I just don't see that.

So unless you want to pony up 50 million in exit fees to leave the ACC, no one is going anywhere up top.
There are exactly three programs out there that are viable for a BCS upgrade on the table right now, BYU, Uconn, and Cincy.

I think that unless CUSA feels like going to 16, or the MAC wants to go to 14, that there are likely no more than three slots for FCS teams to move up. One from the Belt now and potentially two more if the Big XII decides to go to 12. That's all folks.
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How long do you think Mizzou will be happy playing in the SEC East??? They did not join that league to be in the east for the long term. That means that the SEC will eventually go to 16.
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(04-21-2013 11:13 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Until the Big 12 drops the hammer and blows the current situation up, I will not believe this is over. If all were to stop right now, with no more expected changes, we have 2 more years until everyone is in the conference they will stay in. With that being said, this is far from over. And eventually, the BCS conferences will grow to 16, and in a few years the weaker of that bunch will implode and divide and we will go through this all over again.

Unless the powers that be join together and start some actual planning for the future there will never be stability.

I don't know if they will grow to 16 or not. There are too many agendas out there.

Do you want to split the money? Do you want to lessen your chances of winning a conference championship? Do you want to give up a rivalry when your divisions get realigned? Can this or that school even get enough votes? Is this school AAC or will we have to lower our academic nose? Is this conference too "redneck" for us to join? Is the candidate school an absolute "we don't want to associate with" for some member?

This whole thing has been stupid because of all the different agendas.

Going to 16 is a pretty big long-term commitment for conferences that don't make a habit of kicking schools out. Does Texas really want to be buried in a conference of 16? I'm not sure.
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(04-21-2013 11:27 AM)Usajags Wrote:  How long do you think Mizzou will be happy playing in the SEC East??? They did not join that league to be in the east for the long term. That means that the SEC will eventually go to 16.

I don't think Mizzou's happiness with its divisional alignment is a major driver in conference realignment.
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(04-21-2013 11:38 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 11:27 AM)Usajags Wrote:  How long do you think Mizzou will be happy playing in the SEC East??? They did not join that league to be in the east for the long term. That means that the SEC will eventually go to 16.

I don't think Mizzou's happiness with its divisional alignment is a major driver in conference realignment.

Mizzou wanted out of the Deloss Dodds conference. They were always going to have no power in the UT/OU world. The B1G turned them down (to take Rutgers!) so it was either be Dodds underling of the SEC.
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(04-21-2013 11:38 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 11:27 AM)Usajags Wrote:  How long do you think Mizzou will be happy playing in the SEC East??? They did not join that league to be in the east for the long term. That means that the SEC will eventually go to 16.

I don't think Mizzou's happiness with its divisional alignment is a major driver in conference realignment.

But if Mizzou is unhappy with the situation, and the Big 10 decides they would welcome them back in, they will go. And again, it will upset the apple cart.

A few huge rivalries have been lost due to realignment, Texas-Texas A&M, Notre Dame- Michigan, fans will not be happy and money will begin to drop. As the money goes away, being in these rediculous conference alignments will start to strain on the schools and the supporters, and there will be another change.

The only constant is change, always has been, always will be.
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(04-21-2013 11:44 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 11:38 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 11:27 AM)Usajags Wrote:  How long do you think Mizzou will be happy playing in the SEC East??? They did not join that league to be in the east for the long term. That means that the SEC will eventually go to 16.

I don't think Mizzou's happiness with its divisional alignment is a major driver in conference realignment.

But if Mizzou is unhappy with the situation, and the Big 10 decides they would welcome them back in, they will go. And again, it will upset the apple cart.

A few huge rivalries have been lost due to realignment, Texas-Texas A&M, Notre Dame- Michigan, fans will not be happy and money will begin to drop. As the money goes away, being in these rediculous conference alignments will start to strain on the schools and the supporters, and there will be another change.

The only constant is change, always has been, always will be.

There has always been change, but the current giant spasm of chaos is not that normal.

The Big 10 was stable from 1912 to 1950 and then 1950 to 1990. The Pac-12 was stable from 1978 until 2011. The SEC stable from 1966-1991 and 1991-2012.

The alignments in the Top 4 conferences can last for a generation without much change. Don't know about you but I don't have that many generations left in me.

Maybe things have changed and the big guys will be shuffling membership around for years to come. I doubt it.
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(04-21-2013 11:44 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 11:38 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 11:27 AM)Usajags Wrote:  How long do you think Mizzou will be happy playing in the SEC East??? They did not join that league to be in the east for the long term. That means that the SEC will eventually go to 16.

I don't think Mizzou's happiness with its divisional alignment is a major driver in conference realignment.

But if Mizzou is unhappy with the situation, and the Big 10 decides they would welcome them back in, they will go.
And again, it will upset the apple cart.

A few huge rivalries have been lost due to realignment, Texas-Texas A&M, Notre Dame- Michigan, fans will not be happy and money will begin to drop. As the money goes away, being in these rediculous conference alignments will start to strain on the schools and the supporters, and there will be another change.

The only constant is change, always has been, always will be.

Missouri was in the Big XII...
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