(04-08-2013 03:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 03:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA.

What UTEP needs is a 14th or 14th, 15th, 16th school that makes sense for MWC.

Guy I talked to today who is very dialed in nationally says UTEP would be in MWC if there were a 14th school the MWC can agree on.

Would the MWC be willing to take another Texas school (UTSA/UNT/TXST) to get to 14?

My understanding is that UTSA also had a MWC invite and Choose CUSA over the MWC. However that was before Tulsa, Tulane, ECU etc all bailed to the BE and before the MWC pulled Boise and SDSU back into the league with a new TV deal that is significantly better then the CUSA contract.

doubt UNT or Texas State do much. Rice now maybe but don't know

Lamar, Sam Houston, Savannah State, Radford, and Charleston Southern are all gonna be FBS soon along with 40-50 others if CUSA doesnt finish off the Sun Belt soon and once and for all.

(04-08-2013 04:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 03:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA.

What UTEP needs is a 14th or 14th, 15th, 16th school that makes sense for MWC.

Guy I talked to today who is very dialed in nationally says UTEP would be in MWC if there were a 14th school the MWC can agree on.

If the MWC is serious about UTEP, then maybe Banowsky thinks UTEP and one other school (Rice or UTSA?) are gone eventually, and he just wants to reload before that happens.

UTEP and Rice leave and that leaves CUSA West with UNT, UTSA, ULL, LaTech, Arkansas State and USM....only 6 teams. Texas State can be 7 but who will be 8th?

I guess CUSA can worry about that bridge when they cross it.

(04-08-2013 04:33 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 04:14 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 03:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Would the MWC be willing to take another Texas school (UTSA/UNT/TXST) to get to 14?

Lynn Hickey has said UTSA wants to be in CUSA (and UTSA turned down the MWC).

Right but Texas State would go to the MWC in a heartbeat over the SBC.

Pretty much. We are having discussions on the SBC board on what happens if UL and ASU get plucked by CUSA. UNT struggled with being on an island in the old SBC, now we could be stuck on an island without the benefit of AState or UL "close" by.

From what I've heard, UTEPs biggest reason for staying in CUSA is so they can recruit and play in front of their alumni bases in the eastern half of the state. While they wouldn't have games in San Marcos every year, at least we would offer them a central texas foothold that is under an hour from Austin/San Antonio and only a few hours from Dallas and Houston

(04-08-2013 04:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Lamar, Sam Houston, Savannah State, Radford, and Charleston Southern are all gonna be FBS soon along with 40-50 others if CUSA doesnt finish off the Sun Belt soon and once and for all.

They'd have to take everybody at this point. Ark. St., USA, Troy, Georgia St., etc. There's not enough room in CUSA.

(04-08-2013 04:43 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 04:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Lamar, Sam Houston, Savannah State, Radford, and Charleston Southern are all gonna be FBS soon along with 40-50 others if CUSA doesnt finish off the Sun Belt soon and once and for all.

They'd have to take everybody at this point. Ark. St., USA, Troy, Georgia St., etc. There's not enough room in CUSA.

Let the MWC take Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT to make room. Hurry, its getting crazy.


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The power 64 are loving this dillution it will make it real easy for them to make the group of 5 another division. "LOL, Lamar??, yeah we'll call you guys FBS Division B, you guys dont belong with us". Thanks Sun Belt.

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C-USA for JMU would probably be a better fit than the SBC or the MAC.

(04-08-2013 02:05 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This puts stAte in an interesting position if true. As it stands, if JMU joins the Belt, they are on par with CUSA and the MAC come 2016 as far as strength of FB programs.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

You're hilarious.

(Hint. The 'Ha's' are URL's)

(04-08-2013 04:53 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  The power 64 are loving this dillution it will make it real easy for them to make the group of 5 another division. "LOL, Lamar??, yeah we'll call you guys FBS Division B, you guys dont belong with us". Thanks Sun Belt.

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I'm kind of thinking the same thing BUT the playoff payout is distributed to the conferences and then distributed to the individual schools. So if anything they're diluting their own payout. That is, unless I'm mistaken on how the playoff money is distributed.....

(04-08-2013 05:35 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:05 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This puts stAte in an interesting position if true. As it stands, if JMU joins the Belt, they are on par with CUSA and the MAC come 2016 as far as strength of FB programs.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

You're hilarious.

(Hint. The 'Ha's' are URL's)

CUSA for sure and finished ahead of the MAC this year so that is within reach. Certainly don't know where an ODU fan gets off talking crap to us.

(04-08-2013 06:13 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 05:35 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:05 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This puts stAte in an interesting position if true. As it stands, if JMU joins the Belt, they are on par with CUSA and the MAC come 2016 as far as strength of FB programs.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

You're hilarious.

(Hint. The 'Ha's' are URL's)

CUSA for sure and finished ahead of the MAC this year so that is within reach. Certainly don't know where an ODU fan gets off talking crap to us.

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I've got nothing against stAte, they're a great program. It's JMU I'm talking crap to, I think ODU can do that at least.

(04-08-2013 06:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 06:13 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 05:35 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:05 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This puts stAte in an interesting position if true. As it stands, if JMU joins the Belt, they are on par with CUSA and the MAC come 2016 as far as strength of FB programs.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

You're hilarious.

(Hint. The 'Ha's' are URL's)

CUSA for sure and finished ahead of the MAC this year so that is within reach. Certainly don't know where an ODU fan gets off talking crap to us.

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I've got nothing against stAte, they're a great program. It's JMU I'm talking crap to, I think ODU can do that at least.

LOL

(04-08-2013 06:13 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 05:35 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:05 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This puts stAte in an interesting position if true. As it stands, if JMU joins the Belt, they are on par with CUSA and the MAC come 2016 as far as strength of FB programs.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

You're hilarious.

(Hint. The 'Ha's' are URL's)

CUSA for sure and finished ahead of the MAC this year so that is within reach. Certainly don't know where an ODU fan gets off talking crap to us.

Na, bro. I don't think so. There is a set order to things. SBC schools want to become part of CUSA.

Granted, the product is a bit downgraded right now but there is no way that stAte or any other program would choose SBC over CUSA if offered, even with JMU. I think that's BlueTrombone's point.

Note: I could be wrong. Or BT is just smacking JMU because we've owned them and passed them in 3 years.

Point taken about JMU.

(04-08-2013 06:37 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 06:13 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 05:35 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(04-08-2013 02:05 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  This puts stAte in an interesting position if true. As it stands, if JMU joins the Belt, they are on par with CUSA and the MAC come 2016 as far as strength of FB programs.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

You're hilarious.

(Hint. The 'Ha's' are URL's)

CUSA for sure and finished ahead of the MAC this year so that is within reach. Certainly don't know where an ODU fan gets off talking crap to us.

Na, bro. I don't think so. There is a set order to things. SBC schools want to become part of CUSA.

Granted, the product is a bit downgraded right now but there is no way that stAte or any other program would choose SBC over CUSA if offered, even with JMU. I think that's BlueTrombone's point.

Note: I could be wrong. Or BT is just smacking JMU because we've owned them and passed them in 3 years.

I am talking about competitive product on the field, bro, not whether teams would accept an invitation. There is only one program left in CUSA that I consider to be above stAte and they were awful last year.

Yes, I would move if asked for regional and minor financial advantages.

If we expand it is simply more mouths to feed. Stay at 14. 6 division games w/2cross games and 4 OOC.

(04-08-2013 04:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Lamar, Sam Houston, Savannah State, Radford, and Charleston Southern are all gonna be FBS soon along with 40-50 others if CUSA doesnt finish off the Sun Belt soon and once and for all.

Idiotic comment of the day.

And while your head is up I can name MAC schools that should not even be allowed to be FBS.

The more teams that conference USA takes is going to cause more teams to move up there is no killing of the Sun Belt. The WAC was a different situation because you had a low amount of eligible teams out west and two conferences that were raided. There are currently 11 football members in the Sun Belt and another one the way so conference USA would have to take about 7 to kill it (and that's questionable because there are still more teams in the South eligible to move up). And in that scenario the east division would just become a bloated Sun Belt and the West division would be a MWC wana be.

This is the CUSA we are talking about not a major conference. It matters less about getting into more States because let's face it, the conference is never going to have a conference network that pays out big. What the conference needs are competitive programs. Arkansas State and ULL provide that and they have a proven record in doing so.

So what if both of them have larger schools in their State that draw more fans? Once again, this is CUSA. For that matter so does Missouri State and I bet UL has more of a following in Louisiana than Missouri State does in Missouri.

Ark State and ULL will get you to bowls.

As far as getting to 16....take a look at all the schools involved and slice them into 4 divisions instead of two. Conferences are preparing.

(04-09-2013 06:39 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This is the CUSA we are talking about not a major conference. It matters less about getting into more States because let's face it, the conference is never going to have a conference network that pays out big. What the conference needs are competitive programs. Arkansas State and ULL provide that and they have a proven record in doing so.

So what if both of them have larger schools in their State that draw more fans? Once again, this is CUSA. For that matter so does Missouri State and I bet UL has more of a following in Louisiana than Missouri State does in Missouri.

Ark State and ULL will get you to bowls.

As far as getting to 16....take a look at all the schools involved and slice them into 4 divisions instead of two. Conferences are preparing.

A Sun Belt that has Arkansas State and Louisiana has a chance to finish ahead of CUSA in the CFP distribution based on performance. A Sun Belt without them is far less likely to do that.

Considering the millions involved, adding those two to assure CUSA never finishes last among the five and maybe contends for the top spots will generate more money for CUSA than TV agreeing to increase the TV deal so the per team remains the same.