http://www.toledoblade.com/UT/2013/04/02...-gone.html

Some thoughts after reading the article...not terribly surprised that Carver may be leaving, as is hinted...was surprised that Nunn isn't mentioned in the article as being "game ready" yet, it's early but I really thought she might be a starter next season...would not be surprised at all if Reecher, the incoming 6'3" post player, starts next season, but in any case she likely will get plenty of time on the court as I just don't see Jones being a 30+ minute/game player...I really think that it's possible that as many as 2 true freshmen may start next season--a good result for this incoming class would be to have the MAC "Freshman of the Year" come from one of those 4...if Carver does leave and her scholly is available, I'd like to see UT get a JUCO PG who can play immediately next season to help Dola out next season and then still have a year remaining herself the following season, which would give Hayes some more time to develop as a player and/or take some pressure off of an incoming freshman PG

Yep, guess that answers the question about whether Carver was injured. There also seems to be some agreement about the last two classes not measuring up to top level MAC standards thus far. Recker played a lot but isn't mentioned much either. If she can get any sort of shooting going I see her starting but her shot was horrendous this year. Not much size through the rest of the lineup-I too am a little surprised that there is no mention of Nunn. She was the highest ranked recruit in MAC history according to some recruiting outlets. I suspect we'll be good but not what we've come to expect over the last few years.

I wonder if Ryan knows how much trouble he is in for daring to raise concerns about the recruiting classes of the past two years?

(04-02-2013 07:53 AM)T-Town Wrote:  I wonder if Ryan knows how much trouble he is in for daring to raise concerns about the recruiting classes of the past two years?

Next year will be very interesting as this team finds its way. With our returning roster, we'll still be competitive, but not 30 wins competitive.

As we saw this year we did not match up well with the the longer more athletic teams. If you took out Yo, we had no low post presence. The number of missed layups killed us at the end of the season. Could have been tired legs or taller teams forced misses? I don't have any confidence in Jones being a Yo-like presence under the basket. She either looks for her own shot or turns the ball over. I still blame her for the NIT loss two years ago that put us out of the tourney. I lost track of the times she botched a point blank layup or made a bad decision with the ball. Does anyone else have any confidence in Carson being a low post threat, anytime she was in the game even in garbage minutes, she looked lost? Recker, Imma and Dola can get us wins vs the middle teams, but our incomming post players will determine how far we go.

The article also did not mention Janelle Reed-Lewis who was supposed to be a big-time point guard.

Personally, I have no faith in any of our assistants as recruiters except for Vicki Hall. Cullop needs to expect more from her assistants. Either produce, or out the door.

Next year we will have to count on a number of freshmen to come in and produce right away. Always dangerous, but I agree that 6-3 Sophie Reecher will have to start at center, The 2014 class has to have a quality center, because we can't get by with one.

Asst. Katie Griggs got the 6'0 guard from England that scored 47 in a game this year. Chose between Toledo and Miami Huricanes. Terrible job by our assistants though...

Lots of tallent on this team, regardless if many have seen the floor or not. Toledo's 6-10 would have finished .500 or better in the MAC. Bring in some other potential stars with Inma and Dola. You can't possibly think Toledo will be short of 20 wins? CMU, Ball State, and WMU will be good teams! But how many seasons have we ran through the MAC so to speak and gotten beaten in Cleveland? Never count out Tricia and company!

And Carson looked lost????? She is 10000 times stronger than Yo with the ball. She comes to the passes! She seemed to score everytime she got in. Now I don't know if she has a great basketball IQ, or if she plays much defense? But scoring wise, she can easily be better than brick hands Richardson. YOYO had a good career, but she was not the best Center in the MAC. Nor close to effecting games like Goody did in 2011.

I didn't attend every game, in the limited time Carson touched the floor at the games and tourneys I attended, she didn't eminate "dominate" center qualities. Not a Yo loyalist, but I don't think Carson is the second coming of Patricia Ewing. I don't think Jones is a starter, but could provide back-up minutes if she doesn't try to shoot everytime she touches the ball. Who's gonna cover the girl from CMU next year?

(04-02-2013 04:10 PM)emanoh Wrote:  Who's gonna cover the girl from CMU next year?

Enma

(04-02-2013 09:47 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The article also did not mention Janelle Reed-Lewis who was supposed to be a big-time point guard.

Personally, I have no faith in any of our assistants as recruiters except for Vicki Hall. Cullop needs to expect more from her assistants. Either produce, or out the door.

Next year we will have to count on a number of freshmen to come in and produce right away. Always dangerous, but I agree that 6-3 Sophie Reecher will have to start at center, The 2014 class has to have a quality center, because we can't get by with one.

Wonder if it was an oversite by the reporter or some other reason. Maybe Janelle is being considered a number two not a number one position player. But you are right it was strange that she wasn't mentioned. The assistant coaches have done a great job. Have you been to any practices? I have. They do an outstanding job of scouting other teams, breaking down their offenses and defensives, breaking down individual players tendencies, and presenting a game plan to the team in a manner that helped achieve the number of wins we have over the past five years. As for recruiting, Vicki Hall did not recruit any of the players, who were on the team this past season. However I think she is great post player coach and will be a good recruiter. All of the players on this years team were recruited by the assistant coaches!

(04-02-2013 03:19 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Asst. Katie Griggs got the 6'0 guard from England that scored 47 in a game this year. Chose between Toledo and Miami Huricanes. Terrible job by our assistants though...

Lots of tallent on this team, regardless if many have seen the floor or not. Toledo's 6-10 would have finished .500 or better in the MAC. Bring in some other potential stars with Inma and Dola. You can't possibly think Toledo will be short of 20 wins? CMU, Ball State, and WMU will be good teams! But how many seasons have we ran through the MAC so to speak and gotten beaten in Cleveland? Never count out Tricia and company!

I did not see any player off the bench this year who demonstrated consistent offensive skills. I don't see how the KNOWN PLAYERS can provide the scoring which would be required to win 20 games. My unknown is Kendyl Nunn and the 4 freshmen (sounds like a singing group).

(04-02-2013 04:40 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 09:47 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The article also did not mention Janelle Reed-Lewis who was supposed to be a big-time point guard.

Personally, I have no faith in any of our assistants as recruiters except for Vicki Hall. Cullop needs to expect more from her assistants. Either produce, or out the door.

Next year we will have to count on a number of freshmen to come in and produce right away. Always dangerous, but I agree that 6-3 Sophie Reecher will have to start at center, The 2014 class has to have a quality center, because we can't get by with one.

Wonder if it was an oversite by the reporter or some other reason. Maybe Janelle is being considered a number two not a number one position player. But you are right it was strange that she wasn't mentioned. The assistant coaches have done a great job. Have you been to any practices? I have. They do an outstanding job of scouting other teams, breaking down their offenses and defensives, breaking down individual players tendencies, and presenting a game plan to the team in a manner that helped achieve the number of wins we have over the past five years. As for recruiting, Vicki Hall did not recruit any of the players, who were on the team this past season. However I think she is great post player coach and will be a good recruiter. All of the players on this years team were recruited by the assistant coaches!

I was not impressed with Hayes this year. She seemed to deteriorate as the season went along. I also noticed that she slid down to the end of the bench and was the last player in the game at the end of the season. I also think that Janelle Reed-Lewis was better as a freshman than she was this year. So I don't see either one of them providing quality minutes unless they make Inma type improvement over the summer.

(04-02-2013 04:43 PM)temoxley Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 03:19 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Asst. Katie Griggs got the 6'0 guard from England that scored 47 in a game this year. Chose between Toledo and Miami Huricanes. Terrible job by our assistants though...

Lots of tallent on this team, regardless if many have seen the floor or not. Toledo's 6-10 would have finished .500 or better in the MAC. Bring in some other potential stars with Inma and Dola. You can't possibly think Toledo will be short of 20 wins? CMU, Ball State, and WMU will be good teams! But how many seasons have we ran through the MAC so to speak and gotten beaten in Cleveland? Never count out Tricia and company!

I did not see any player off the bench this year who demonstrated consistent offensive skills. I don't see how the KNOWN PLAYERS can provide the scoring which would be required to win 20 games. My unknown is Kendyl Nunn and the 4 freshmen (sounds like a singing group).

Capotosto showed good offensive skills in limited minutes. She can shoot the three and finish on drives to the basket. Cullop won't let her on the court until she improves her ballhandling and defense, but she is an offensive threat right now. Also, check out Carson's free throw attempts and points per minutes played. Granted, she played only during mop-up time, but she showed plenty when she was in. Cullop wouldn't have red-shirted Carson as a sophomore if she didn't think Carson could contribute. Why tie up a scholarship for an extra year?

I would be shocked if we won fewer than 20 next year. After all, whatever the weaknesses and unknowns, we do have Dortch and Zanoguerra. Two superstars can take you a long way in basketball.

Has it really come down to judging the quality of our recruits by whether one reporter mentions them in an article or not? Really? Ryan didn't mention several players - including incoming freshman Lindsay Baker, who looks to me like she could be another great addition. Let's give them an opportunity to play before coming to any conclusions. Just remember that up until now our freshman & sophomores were playing behind players named Naama, Dola, Yo, Kyle, Inma, Deuce, Halie ... which one of those players would you have sat so some of the young players could get significant minutes. Several of them will get their opportunities to show what they have this year. I trust that at least a few of them will step up to the challenge and have good seasons next year.

Sometimes we tend to expect that every freshman will be either an immediate star or a bust, but most players are in between, and several of them take a couple years of seasoning to hit their stride. That's true of a Cullop team more than most because of the emphasis she places on defense. Many of these girls are so much better than their competition in high school that they don't really have to play defense that hard, let alone learn the little things needed to play it right. I think that's why many of the young players in Coach C's system struggle a bit on offense their first couple years - because they are working so hard to bring up their defensive skills to the level expected of this team.

(04-02-2013 04:46 PM)temoxley Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:40 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 09:47 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The article also did not mention Janelle Reed-Lewis who was supposed to be a big-time point guard.

Personally, I have no faith in any of our assistants as recruiters except for Vicki Hall. Cullop needs to expect more from her assistants. Either produce, or out the door.

Next year we will have to count on a number of freshmen to come in and produce right away. Always dangerous, but I agree that 6-3 Sophie Reecher will have to start at center, The 2014 class has to have a quality center, because we can't get by with one.

Wonder if it was an oversite by the reporter or some other reason. Maybe Janelle is being considered a number two not a number one position player. But you are right it was strange that she wasn't mentioned. The assistant coaches have done a great job. Have you been to any practices? I have. They do an outstanding job of scouting other teams, breaking down their offenses and defensives, breaking down individual players tendencies, and presenting a game plan to the team in a manner that helped achieve the number of wins we have over the past five years. As for recruiting, Vicki Hall did not recruit any of the players, who were on the team this past season. However I think she is great post player coach and will be a good recruiter. All of the players on this years team were recruited by the assistant coaches!

I was not impressed with Hayes this year. She seemed to deteriorate as the season went along. I also noticed that she slid down to the end of the bench and was the last player in the game at the end of the season. I also think that Janelle Reed-Lewis was better as a freshman than she was this year. So I don't see either one of them providing quality minutes unless they make Inma type improvement over the summer.

Michelle Hayes got better as the year went on. You didn't see her play as much unless you went to practices which alot of people didn't have time to do. She played in games behind the two first team all leagues guards and a third team all league player. She did improve alot by practicing against them everyday. It takes most freshmen time get use to the speed of the college game, as well as pick up the new defensive and offensive styles. Janelle has really improved in her shoot and defense. You are right there are still times she gets out of control but not nearly as much in the past. Again she played behind the same three players mentioned earlier.

(04-02-2013 04:52 PM)Dwight Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:43 PM)temoxley Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 03:19 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Asst. Katie Griggs got the 6'0 guard from England that scored 47 in a game this year. Chose between Toledo and Miami Huricanes. Terrible job by our assistants though...

Lots of tallent on this team, regardless if many have seen the floor or not. Toledo's 6-10 would have finished .500 or better in the MAC. Bring in some other potential stars with Inma and Dola. You can't possibly think Toledo will be short of 20 wins? CMU, Ball State, and WMU will be good teams! But how many seasons have we ran through the MAC so to speak and gotten beaten in Cleveland? Never count out Tricia and company!

I did not see any player off the bench this year who demonstrated consistent offensive skills. I don't see how the KNOWN PLAYERS can provide the scoring which would be required to win 20 games. My unknown is Kendyl Nunn and the 4 freshmen (sounds like a singing group).

Capotosto showed good offensive skills in limited minutes. She can shoot the three and finish on drives to the basket. Cullop won't let her on the court until she improves her ballhandling and defense, but she is an offensive threat right now. Also, check out Carson's free throw attempts and points per minutes played. Granted, she played only during mop-up time, but she showed plenty when she was in. Cullop wouldn't have red-shirted Carson as a sophomore if she didn't think Carson could contribute. Why tie up a scholarship for an extra year?

I would be shocked if we won fewer than 20 next year. After all, whatever the weaknesses and unknowns, we do have Dortch and Zanoguerra. Two superstars can take you a long way in basketball.

Capatosto played a total of 109 minutes in the entire season. I didn't see every game but there were a couple of times where she made a good aggressive offensive move to the basket. However, if you are talking about 20 wins then we will need complementary players who can contribute 6-8 points/game and that seems a little out of her reach....particularly if she does in fact not play defense up to the level the coach expects. Hard to score from the bench. The other thing is that she has been on the team for two years already...time to make it happen. And I would call Inma a budding superstar and Dola a DEFENSIVE superstar. Dola WAS NOT an offensive weapon this year (hopefully that will change). But if she doesn't, then you can expect that Inma will be double teamed next year unless someone else steps up as a consistent offensive factor. We need to score 60 points/game and I see Inma and Dola scoring around 30 so where are the other 30 EVERY GAME going to come from? Again, seems to me it will have to come predominantly from the unknown quantities which the new players represent.

(04-02-2013 06:03 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:46 PM)temoxley Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:40 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 09:47 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  The article also did not mention Janelle Reed-Lewis who was supposed to be a big-time point guard.

Personally, I have no faith in any of our assistants as recruiters except for Vicki Hall. Cullop needs to expect more from her assistants. Either produce, or out the door.

Next year we will have to count on a number of freshmen to come in and produce right away. Always dangerous, but I agree that 6-3 Sophie Reecher will have to start at center, The 2014 class has to have a quality center, because we can't get by with one.

Wonder if it was an oversite by the reporter or some other reason. Maybe Janelle is being considered a number two not a number one position player. But you are right it was strange that she wasn't mentioned. The assistant coaches have done a great job. Have you been to any practices? I have. They do an outstanding job of scouting other teams, breaking down their offenses and defensives, breaking down individual players tendencies, and presenting a game plan to the team in a manner that helped achieve the number of wins we have over the past five years. As for recruiting, Vicki Hall did not recruit any of the players, who were on the team this past season. However I think she is great post player coach and will be a good recruiter. All of the players on this years team were recruited by the assistant coaches!

I was not impressed with Hayes this year. She seemed to deteriorate as the season went along. I also noticed that she slid down to the end of the bench and was the last player in the game at the end of the season. I also think that Janelle Reed-Lewis was better as a freshman than she was this year. So I don't see either one of them providing quality minutes unless they make Inma type improvement over the summer.

Michelle Hayes got better as the year went on. You didn't see her play as much unless you went to practices which alot of people didn't have time to do. She played in games behind the two first team all leagues guards and a third team all league player. She did improve alot by practicing against them everyday. It takes most freshmen time get use to the speed of the college game, as well as pick up the new defensive and offensive styles. Janelle has really improved in her shoot and defense. You are right there are still times she gets out of control but not nearly as much in the past. Again she played behind the same three players mentioned earlier.

I disagree. At least in the games where I saw Hayes she was less effective at the end of the season. And I don't get what has happened to Janelle. She seems to have the quickness and a good enough shooting stroke but just doesn't get it done. She is also a bit of a liability on defense against bigger guards.

I like what I saw from Recker and Caposto. I think Recker will be really improved next year. I haven't seen Hayes much but at the WNIT I had a couple people tell me she will be a good player next year. Personally I think the ladies will be in the thick of things in the mac next year/ Reecher will be really really good.