(03-29-2013 10:31 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Before you get too carried away:
Cincinnati 10 seed lost to 7 seed Creighton-MVC
Pitt 8 seed lost to 9 seed Wichita St.-MVC
Notre Dame 7 seed lost to 10 seed Iowa St.-Big 12
Villanova 9 seed lost to 8 seed UNC-ACC
Georgetown 2 seed lost to 15 seed FGCU-Atlantic Sun

Only 3 of 8 survived the first round. As a favorite, BE schools were 3-3 in the first round. The East semi-finals were the first BE wins against a higher seed. 1985 was a great year for the BE. This year, not particularly impressive yet.

I'd agree. And Marquette needed a lot of help to get out of the first round (and a bit in the second). Syracuse and Louisville have looked great, but any conference can have 1-2 good schools. The Big 10 still has OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. A lot can still happen.

Making shots is getting help?

(03-29-2013 10:17 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Kickass football conference too when Miami, Va Tech, Syracuse, Boston College were all either competitive or at the top of the NCAA throughout the 90s, and then in the mid-2000s when Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinnati, West Virginia and South Florida were all highly ranked.

Rest in Peace, Big East.

Football? I think that's the official sign of going overboard on the greatness of the Big East. It never was that great, particularly with Rutger and Temple dragging down the bottom of the conference for much of its existence. TheBig East rarely had two top team at once, let alone several.

(03-29-2013 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The big east isn't dead. Quit saying rest in peace. It's like holding a funeral for a person going through a divorce.

Sorry RedMan, but to most your new conf. will not be THE BE, it will be the BE in name only. You can't replace Syracuse, UL,UConn,Pitt., UC,etc. with three mid majors and expect the same kind of reverance. At best your new league will be a 3 or 4 bid Conf., Xavier is sliding downhill, McDermott will leave for pros and Stevens to UCLA is heating up. This will be a G'Town, Marquette league and that is all.

(03-29-2013 10:33 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:31 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Before you get too carried away:
Cincinnati 10 seed lost to 7 seed Creighton-MVC
Pitt 8 seed lost to 9 seed Wichita St.-MVC
Notre Dame 7 seed lost to 10 seed Iowa St.-Big 12
Villanova 9 seed lost to 8 seed UNC-ACC
Georgetown 2 seed lost to 15 seed FGCU-Atlantic Sun

Only 3 of 8 survived the first round. As a favorite, BE schools were 3-3 in the first round. The East semi-finals were the first BE wins against a higher seed. 1985 was a great year for the BE. This year, not particularly impressive yet.

I'd agree. And Marquette needed a lot of help to get out of the first round (and a bit in the second). Syracuse and Louisville have looked great, but any conference can have 1-2 good schools. The Big 10 still has OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. A lot can still happen.

Making shots is getting help?

Oh, I see you're a Catholic 7 fan. I'm sure there's no bias there.

I was mainly referring to Davidson, which should have won the first round game and blew it. But Marquette also needed Butler to miss a 3 to win at the end of the second round game too.

(03-29-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Before you get too carried away:
Cincinnati 10 seed lost to 7 seed Creighton-MVC
Pitt 8 seed lost to 9 seed Wichita St.-MVC
Notre Dame 7 seed lost to 10 seed Iowa St.-Big 12
Villanova 9 seed lost to 8 seed UNC-ACC
Georgetown 2 seed lost to 15 seed FGCU-Atlantic Sun

Only 3 of 8 survived the first round. As a favorite, BE schools were 3-3 in the first round. The East semi-finals were the first BE wins against a higher seed. 1985 was a great year for the BE. This year, not particularly impressive yet.

But Villanova finished 7th in conference, while UNC finished 3rd in the ACC.
Cincinnati finished 9th to Creighton's 1st.
Meanwhile. Marquette (t-1st) croaked Miami (1st). Syracuse (5th!) croaked Indiana (1st). Georgetown was the only true slip-up, and FGCU has shown themselves to be an amazing team.

(03-29-2013 10:36 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The big east isn't dead. Quit saying rest in peace. It's like holding a funeral for a person going through a divorce.

Sorry RedMan, but to most your new conf. will not be THE BE, it will be the BE in name only. You can't replace Syracuse, UL,UConn,Pitt., UC,etc. with three mid majors and expect the same kind of reverance. At best your new league will be a 3 or 4 bid Conf., Xavier is sliding downhill, McDermott will leave for pros and Stevens to UCLA is heating up. This will be a G'Town, Marquette league and that is all.

Huh? One of our mid-major invitees just beat you...

(03-29-2013 10:36 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The big east isn't dead. Quit saying rest in peace. It's like holding a funeral for a person going through a divorce.

Sorry RedMan, but to most your new conf. will not be THE BE, it will be the BE in name only. You can't replace Syracuse, UL,UConn,Pitt., UC,etc. with three mid majors and expect the same kind of reverance. At best your new league will be a 3 or 4 bid Conf., Xavier is sliding downhill, McDermott will leave for pros and Stevens to UCLA is heating up. This will be a G'Town, Marquette league and that is all.

So Cincy and UofL were more big east than 5 of the original members?

Every team loses players. Xavier has won 8 of the last 12 against Cincy. St. John's is 6-5 against the bearcats in the big east.

We replaced Miami vt and BC with three mid majors and I'm sure you think that was a good idea.

Actually at best were a 5-6 league conference. At worst were a 3 bid league. With you assumption at worst were a one bid league which leaves you with zero credibility.

(03-29-2013 10:39 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:33 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:31 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Before you get too carried away:
Cincinnati 10 seed lost to 7 seed Creighton-MVC
Pitt 8 seed lost to 9 seed Wichita St.-MVC
Notre Dame 7 seed lost to 10 seed Iowa St.-Big 12
Villanova 9 seed lost to 8 seed UNC-ACC
Georgetown 2 seed lost to 15 seed FGCU-Atlantic Sun

Only 3 of 8 survived the first round. As a favorite, BE schools were 3-3 in the first round. The East semi-finals were the first BE wins against a higher seed. 1985 was a great year for the BE. This year, not particularly impressive yet.

I'd agree. And Marquette needed a lot of help to get out of the first round (and a bit in the second). Syracuse and Louisville have looked great, but any conference can have 1-2 good schools. The Big 10 still has OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. A lot can still happen.

Making shots is getting help?

Oh, I see you're a Catholic 7 fan. I'm sure there's no bias there.

I was mainly referring to Davidson, which should have won the first round game and blew it. But Marquette also needed Butler to miss a 3 to win at the end of the second round game too.

Playing a close game is not getting help. Help is a lot if questionable calls going one way "helping" said team to a win. A game is 40 minutes long, you play the whole 40 minutes. In case you missed it Marquette just obliterated Miami.

The BE always was a fantastic BB conference with Awesome history but Don't You honestly believe that after adding Marquette, DePaul, Cincinnati, Louisville that We made the conference go over the top? Everyone stepped up their game from Georgetown to UConn. heck even USF HAD had a great year. Syracuse and Villanova along with Pitt made this league one for the ages.
Yes the league name will continue on and I look for great things from Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette. I think You should look into adding VCU, and Wichata ST as I've previously stated to fill out East and West additions. Good luck in the future BE endeavor as We are a part of the BE history forever.

(03-29-2013 11:08 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The BE always was a fantastic BB conference with Awesome history but Don't You honestly believe that after adding Marquette, DePaul, Cincinnati, Louisville that We made the conference go over the top? Everyone stepped up their game from Georgetown to UConn. heck even USF HAD had a great year. Syracuse and Villanova along with Pitt made this league one for the ages.
Yes the league name will continue on and I look for great things from Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette. I think You should look into adding VCU, and Wichata ST as I've previously stated to fill out East and West additions. Good luck in the future BE endeavor as We are a part of the BE history forever.

Well I think they made a great league become the greatest league. UConn had already won 2 national titles in the decade before they came along. I think the conference helped those schools more then they helped the league. All of those programs were able to make the jump to the next level because of their new association with the league.

UofL is a great program and I'm sure Rick will have them in the running for many ACC titles in the years to come. Them moving to the big east and Pitino coming on board really allowed them to retain the level they had under crum.

(03-29-2013 10:52 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:39 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:33 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:31 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Before you get too carried away:
Cincinnati 10 seed lost to 7 seed Creighton-MVC
Pitt 8 seed lost to 9 seed Wichita St.-MVC
Notre Dame 7 seed lost to 10 seed Iowa St.-Big 12
Villanova 9 seed lost to 8 seed UNC-ACC
Georgetown 2 seed lost to 15 seed FGCU-Atlantic Sun

Only 3 of 8 survived the first round. As a favorite, BE schools were 3-3 in the first round. The East semi-finals were the first BE wins against a higher seed. 1985 was a great year for the BE. This year, not particularly impressive yet.

I'd agree. And Marquette needed a lot of help to get out of the first round (and a bit in the second). Syracuse and Louisville have looked great, but any conference can have 1-2 good schools. The Big 10 still has OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. A lot can still happen.

Making shots is getting help?

Oh, I see you're a Catholic 7 fan. I'm sure there's no bias there.

I was mainly referring to Davidson, which should have won the first round game and blew it. But Marquette also needed Butler to miss a 3 to win at the end of the second round game too.

Playing a close game is not getting help. Help is a lot if questionable calls going one way "helping" said team to a win. A game is 40 minutes long, you play the whole 40 minutes. In case you missed it Marquette just obliterated Miami.

Apparently "obliterated" means winning by ten. After all, I hear that a game is 40 minutes long. Have to count the entire game, right?

I'll rest my case as this. Here's an article that sums up my position:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/199509641.html

I think most people would agree with that article. The one person that takes offense to it is the one heavily biased towards Catholic-7 schools. I believe your bias clouds the reality. Marquette was very fortunate to escape Davidson. That's as much on Davidson as anything positive Marquette did. To a lesser extent, Marquette could have easily been knocked off by Butler too (since Butler had a shot at the end to win). Neither happened, which is why Marquette is still here. But I think a reasonable person would say the Davidson collapsed in their game and there's some good fortune involved. No shame in that, it's just how it is

(03-29-2013 11:23 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:52 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:39 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:33 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:31 AM)Jericho Wrote:  I'd agree. And Marquette needed a lot of help to get out of the first round (and a bit in the second). Syracuse and Louisville have looked great, but any conference can have 1-2 good schools. The Big 10 still has OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. A lot can still happen.

Making shots is getting help?

Oh, I see you're a Catholic 7 fan. I'm sure there's no bias there.

I was mainly referring to Davidson, which should have won the first round game and blew it. But Marquette also needed Butler to miss a 3 to win at the end of the second round game too.

Playing a close game is not getting help. Help is a lot if questionable calls going one way "helping" said team to a win. A game is 40 minutes long, you play the whole 40 minutes. In case you missed it Marquette just obliterated Miami.

Apparently "obliterated" means winning by ten. After all, I hear that a game is 40 minutes long. Have to count the entire game, right?

I'll rest my case as this. Here's an article that sums up my position:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/199509641.html

I think most people would agree with that article. The one person that takes offense to it is the one heavily biased towards Catholic-7 schools. I believe your bias clouds the reality. Marquette was very fortunate to escape Davidson. That's as much on Davidson as anything positive Marquette did. To a lesser extent, Marquette could have easily been knocked off by Butler too (since Butler had a shot at the end to win). Neither happened, which is why Marquette is still here. But I think a reasonable person would say the Davidson collapsed in their game and there's some good fortune involved. No shame in that, it's just how it is

I'm not saying Marquette wasn't fortunate, I'm saying they didn't get help which is what you were saying. And yes they OBLITERATED Miami last night.

This is it, the Big East is we've always known it will be dead after this season -- so go out with a BANG! I'd like to see half of the Final Four be Big East teams just as a great big F'U to the naysayers!

(03-29-2013 05:44 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  This is it, the Big East is we've always known it will be dead after this season -- so go out with a BANG! I'd like to see half of the Final Four be Big East teams just as a great big F'U to the naysayers!

Will you stop this nonsense. You keep saying this and I keep proving you wrong. 5 of the 8 original members with the name, history and MSG means the bug east everyone knows is living on. I know that a UNC/ACC fan wishes the league would go away but it's not. Keep throwing those coins in fountains and wishing upon those shooting stars though.

(03-29-2013 10:35 AM)Jericho Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:17 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Kickass football conference too when Miami, Va Tech, Syracuse, Boston College were all either competitive or at the top of the NCAA throughout the 90s, and then in the mid-2000s when Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinnati, West Virginia and South Florida were all highly ranked.

Rest in Peace, Big East.

Football? I think that's the official sign of going overboard on the greatness of the Big East. It never was that great, particularly with Rutger and Temple dragging down the bottom of the conference for much of its existence. TheBig East rarely had two top team at once, let alone several.

I'm talking about overall, not only just the past few years of BE + ex-CUSA.

Throughout the 90s, we had Miami winning multiple NCs and Va Tech, Syracuse and BC playing in big-time bowls annually. Then the fracture between football and basketball schools finally led to defections and we lost 3 of our best programs. West Virginia then started their decade-long rise of tremendous play, we added Cincinnati and Louisville's excellent football programs, South Florida did a tremendous job developing their program under Levitt, and Rutgers finally got serious about funding their football program which had been widely considered the sleeping giant of college football due to the NJ's elite HS football. During the 2006 Cincinnati, Louisville, West Virginia, South Florida and Rutgers all were ranked in the top 10 at one point. The Big East also has the best W-L record during the BCS record. They may not have had the eventual national champs, but they had been every bit as competitive as the Big Ten and Pac 10 in football over the past decade and straight up better than the ACC. The past few years have been weak, but the results were there. This was one of the best athletic conferences over the past 3 decades, and its a shame that it is ending.

(03-29-2013 10:36 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The big east isn't dead. Quit saying rest in peace. It's like holding a funeral for a person going through a divorce.

Sorry RedMan, but to most your new conf. will not be THE BE, it will be the BE in name only. You can't replace Syracuse, UL,UConn,Pitt., UC,etc. with three mid majors and expect the same kind of reverance. At best your new league will be a 3 or 4 bid Conf., Xavier is sliding downhill, McDermott will leave for pros and Stevens to UCLA is heating up. This will be a G'Town, Marquette league and that is all.

Agreed. Outside of Georgetown and the Johnnies during the 90s (which I rooted for during the Artest and Barkley days), the traditional Big East was all about Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, and then later on after the ACC defections, Louisville, W Va, Marquette, ND and Cincy.

The new Big East will be a good basketball league, but the Big East as we know it is dead... cut in half with the "divorce" and the best programs in the league in basketball (Syracuse, UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, West Va) are gone, and the notable football programs that really rounded out the conference (Miami, BC, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, West Va, Rutgers) are gone. Its not the Big East that was up there in the college all-sports landscape with the big boys that developed over the past 2 and a half decades.

That's why I said Rest in Peace, Big East.

(03-29-2013 07:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  THIS GROUP of Big East schools will never be matched again for greatness in Basketball.Yes We didn't win the NCAA tournament every year as We beat on each other so much that sometimes there wasn't enough juice left after MSG tournament. But No One could say Big East schools from top to bottom including WVU did not lay everything on the line when they hit the floor. This is the Last Great run for this BIG EAST. Let's go out with a Bang !

It could be matched again - if the ACC does the smart thing and adds UConn and Cincinnati. You'd have 2/3 of the top of the old BE plus UNC and Duke. IMO UNC and Duke are the top 2 programs in the country. NC State is a borderline elite program, too.

(03-29-2013 07:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  THIS GROUP of Big East schools will never be matched again for greatness in Basketball.Yes We didn't win the NCAA tournament every year as We beat on each other so much that sometimes there wasn't enough juice left after MSG tournament. But No One could say Big East schools from top to bottom including WVU did not lay everything on the line when they hit the floor. This is the Last Great run for this BIG EAST. Let's go out with a Bang !

It could be matched again - if the ACC does the smart thing and adds UConn and Cincinnati. You'd have 2/3 of the top of the old BE plus UNC and Duke. IMO UNC and Duke are the top 2 programs in the country. NC State is a borderline elite program, too.

Or if the Big Ten pulled off the long-time rumored 20 team monster conference and gobbles up UNC, Duke, Kansas, Virginia, FSU and UConn with both of their potential AAU statuses being considered.

(03-29-2013 07:12 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:36 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The big east isn't dead. Quit saying rest in peace. It's like holding a funeral for a person going through a divorce.

Sorry RedMan, but to most your new conf. will not be THE BE, it will be the BE in name only. You can't replace Syracuse, UL,UConn,Pitt., UC,etc. with three mid majors and expect the same kind of reverance. At best your new league will be a 3 or 4 bid Conf., Xavier is sliding downhill, McDermott will leave for pros and Stevens to UCLA is heating up. This will be a G'Town, Marquette league and that is all.

Agreed. Outside of Georgetown and the Johnnies during the 90s (which I rooted for during the Artest and Barkley days), the traditional Big East was all about Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, and then later on after the ACC defections, Louisville, W Va, Marquette, ND and Cincy.

The new Big East will be a good basketball league, but the Big East as we know it is dead... cut in half with the "divorce" and the best programs in the league in basketball (Syracuse, UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, West Va) are gone, and the notable football programs that really rounded out the conference (Miami, BC, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, West Va, Rutgers) are gone. Its not the Big East that was up there in the college all-sports landscape with the big boys that developed over the past 2 and a half decades.

That's why I said Rest in Peace, Big East.

You can say what ever you want but it doesn't make you right. WVU had a nice ru towards the end but was mostly fodder during their tenure. Notre Dame never made a conference final, Cincy wasn't that good, my johnnies during our decade of mediocrity had a winning record against them, Pitt constantly underperformed in the NCAA, UofL was in the league for only 7 years. So we really only lost one true blue big east power.

You also left out Villanova. The C7 has had 3 final fours in the last ten years. Marquette is about to get to another. Throw in butlers 2 and that's 5 from this group.

Yeah, keep wishing that we died because were that good. Keep discrediting us brcayse you're all scared. I would be too! This league is dangerous. Watch out kids.

(03-29-2013 07:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:12 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:36 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 10:27 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The big east isn't dead. Quit saying rest in peace. It's like holding a funeral for a person going through a divorce.

Sorry RedMan, but to most your new conf. will not be THE BE, it will be the BE in name only. You can't replace Syracuse, UL,UConn,Pitt., UC,etc. with three mid majors and expect the same kind of reverance. At best your new league will be a 3 or 4 bid Conf., Xavier is sliding downhill, McDermott will leave for pros and Stevens to UCLA is heating up. This will be a G'Town, Marquette league and that is all.

Agreed. Outside of Georgetown and the Johnnies during the 90s (which I rooted for during the Artest and Barkley days), the traditional Big East was all about Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, and then later on after the ACC defections, Louisville, W Va, Marquette, ND and Cincy.

The new Big East will be a good basketball league, but the Big East as we know it is dead... cut in half with the "divorce" and the best programs in the league in basketball (Syracuse, UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, West Va) are gone, and the notable football programs that really rounded out the conference (Miami, BC, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, West Va, Rutgers) are gone. Its not the Big East that was up there in the college all-sports landscape with the big boys that developed over the past 2 and a half decades.

That's why I said Rest in Peace, Big East.

You can say what ever you want but it doesn't make you right. WVU had a nice ru towards the end but was mostly fodder during their tenure. Notre Dame never made a conference final, Cincy wasn't that good, my johnnies during our decade of mediocrity had a winning record against them, Pitt constantly underperformed in the NCAA, UofL was in the league for only 7 years. So we really only lost one true blue big east power.

You also left out Villanova. The C7 has had 3 final fours in the last ten years. Marquette is about to get to another. Throw in butlers 2 and that's 5 from this group.

Yeah, keep wishing that we died because were that good. Keep discrediting us brcayse you're all scared. I would be too! This league is dangerous. Watch out kids.

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