(03-08-2013 02:01 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:50 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  . . . Not true. The America 12 is a completely different entity from the Big East, as of July 1. . .

I think you misunderstand the sequence of events. The C7 left the Big East Conference (the corporate entity) and formed their own new corporate entity. The C7 then bough the trademark and brand from the corporate entity that was the Big East, which is changing its name to (insert new name here). The corporate entity, charter, etc. does not change.

Cleveland Browns.

The Browns of today are not technically the Browns of yesteryear even though they have the same name

The Big East as of July 1 2013 is not technically the same Big East prior to July 1 2013 even though they have the same name.

Another example is AT&T. The modern day AT&T is actually Southwestern Bell. The Old AT&T was split apart and is no more.

(03-08-2013 04:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:01 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:50 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  . . . Not true. The America 12 is a completely different entity from the Big East, as of July 1. . .

I think you misunderstand the sequence of events. The C7 left the Big East Conference (the corporate entity) and formed their own new corporate entity. The C7 then bough the trademark and brand from the corporate entity that was the Big East, which is changing its name to (insert new name here). The corporate entity, charter, etc. does not change.

Cleveland Browns.

The Browns of today are not technically the Browns of yesteryear even though they have the same name

The Big East as of July 1 2013 is not technically the same Big East prior to July 1 2013 even though they have the same name.

Another example is AT&T. The modern day AT&T is actually Southwestern Bell. The Old AT&T was split apart and is no more.

Actually they are the same Browns. They got to keep the history.

Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

(03-08-2013 05:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

You can't be split between 2 FBS football conferences.

(03-08-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

You can't be split between 2 FBS football conferences.

I just went back and re read RUJohnny99's post and I guess He meant No longer "a Big East member" in name only. Got it!

(03-08-2013 04:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:01 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:50 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  . . . Not true. The America 12 is a completely different entity from the Big East, as of July 1. . .

I think you misunderstand the sequence of events. The C7 left the Big East Conference (the corporate entity) and formed their own new corporate entity. The C7 then bough the trademark and brand from the corporate entity that was the Big East, which is changing its name to (insert new name here). The corporate entity, charter, etc. does not change.

Cleveland Browns.

The Browns of today are not technically the Browns of yesteryear even though they have the same name

The Big East as of July 1 2013 is not technically the same Big East prior to July 1 2013 even though they have the same name.

Another example is AT&T. The modern day AT&T is actually Southwestern Bell. The Old AT&T was split apart and is no more.

Actually they are the same Browns. They got to keep the history.

What he said. The Judas 3 may have sold the name, but they didn't sell the history, BCS berth, or corporate charter. In your example, we are the Baltimore Ravens, who just won a Super Bowl by the way. So maybe I'll be proven wrong about this name change.

(03-08-2013 05:13 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:01 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:50 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  . . . Not true. The America 12 is a completely different entity from the Big East, as of July 1. . .

I think you misunderstand the sequence of events. The C7 left the Big East Conference (the corporate entity) and formed their own new corporate entity. The C7 then bough the trademark and brand from the corporate entity that was the Big East, which is changing its name to (insert new name here). The corporate entity, charter, etc. does not change.

Cleveland Browns.

The Browns of today are not technically the Browns of yesteryear even though they have the same name

The Big East as of July 1 2013 is not technically the same Big East prior to July 1 2013 even though they have the same name.

Another example is AT&T. The modern day AT&T is actually Southwestern Bell. The Old AT&T was split apart and is no more.

Actually they are the same Browns. They got to keep the history.

What he said. The Judas 3 may have sold the name, but they didn't sell the history, BCS berth, or corporate charter. In your example, we are the Baltimore Ravens, who just won a Super Bowl by the way. So maybe I'll be proven wrong about this name change. :pbjtime:

Who owns the history is not clear yet. I doubt the A12 would own that with how much we paid.

(03-08-2013 01:50 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:42 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Someone answer me this. Why are Cincinnati, USF, and UConn entitled to the money but Louisville and Rutgers aren't? Were all of us not in the Big East for the same amount of time, and did Louisville and Rutgers not achieve as much (arguably more) for the conference than the other three? Yes, Louisville and Rutgers are leaving (and it couldn't happen soon enough) but aren't all the football schools technically leaving the Big East? Should we all not be able to share in its demise?

Technically, no. UConn, Cincinnati and USF are the only schools (technically) not changing conferences. They remain in the same conference with a new name, much like Oklahoma and Nebraska did not change conferences when the Big 8 became the Big 12.

Not true. The America 12 is a completely different entity from the Big East, as of July 1. The Big 8 is actually considered to be separate from the Big 12 too. IIRC the schools didn't carry over their conference championships from one to the other. The SWC and Big 8 more or less merged to some degree to become the Big 12.

Not exactly. The Big8 invited UT and A&M to join to the Big8, then Texas politics forced them to take Baylor and TEch. The SWC disbanded and the Big8 changed its name to Big12 which they already had copyrighted.

(03-08-2013 05:07 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

You can't be split between 2 FBS football conferences.

I just went back and re read RUJohnny99's post and I guess He meant No longer "a Big East member" in name only. Got it!

Exactly. The Big East by-laws do not mention "or successor conference". On 7/1, when the CYOs take the name & go away, the Big East By-laws are no longer applicable for the 3 football schools. You have 7 Big East schools using the name & 3 former Big East schools trying to shake down 5 or 6 former/prospective members (RU, UL, ND, Boise, SDSU, TCU).

UConn, Cinn, & USF were left holding a bag of $100 MM in accounts receivables without the ability to collect them. They're better off selling that bag of IOUs to the MWC in exchange for membership.

(03-08-2013 05:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:13 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:01 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  I think you misunderstand the sequence of events. The C7 left the Big East Conference (the corporate entity) and formed their own new corporate entity. The C7 then bough the trademark and brand from the corporate entity that was the Big East, which is changing its name to (insert new name here). The corporate entity, charter, etc. does not change.

Cleveland Browns.

The Browns of today are not technically the Browns of yesteryear even though they have the same name

The Big East as of July 1 2013 is not technically the same Big East prior to July 1 2013 even though they have the same name.

Another example is AT&T. The modern day AT&T is actually Southwestern Bell. The Old AT&T was split apart and is no more.

Actually they are the same Browns. They got to keep the history.

What he said. The Judas 3 may have sold the name, but they didn't sell the history, BCS berth, or corporate charter. In your example, we are the Baltimore Ravens, who just won a Super Bowl by the way. So maybe I'll be proven wrong about this name change.

Who owns the history is not clear yet. I doubt the A12 would own that with how much we paid.

Lol...our negotiating team has yet to win a single battle with anyone. I have no doubt the basketball BE won the rights to the history---probably our bowl contracts too as dumb as our leadership is.

(03-08-2013 05:47 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:07 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

You can't be split between 2 FBS football conferences.

I just went back and re read RUJohnny99's post and I guess He meant No longer "a Big East member" in name only. Got it!

Exactly. The Big East by-laws do not mention "or successor conference". On 7/1, when the CYOs take the name & go away, the Big East By-laws are no longer applicable for the 3 football schools. You have 7 Big East schools using the name & 3 former Big East schools trying to shake down 5 or 6 former/prospective members (RU, UL, ND, Boise, SDSU, TCU).

UConn, Cinn, & USF were left holding a bag of $100 MM in accounts receivables without the ability to collect them. They're better off selling that bag of IOUs to the MWC in exchange for membership.

Time to break out the "Big Shot Lawyers "

I love when posters think they know more than the people actually involved in the day to day aspect. Hey guys where are you playing FB next year? It's not in the B1G it ACC that's for sure. You guys gonna go Indy for a year with less than 6 months notice? Also you would still owe US the money for splitting. You're going to have to pay one way or another.

(03-08-2013 06:13 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love when posters think they know more than the people actually involved in the day to day aspect. Hey guys where are you playing FB next year? It's not in the B1G it ACC that's for sure. You guys gonna go Indy for a year with less than 6 months notice? Also you would still owe US the money for splitting. You're going to have to pay one way or another.

Enjoy Your new digs, We will enjoy ours down the road. but We will try to hurry it up like you did

McMurphy reports that the Conference Formerly Known As Big East wants Notre Dame to pay $2.5 million to leave at the end of June. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...early-exit

Maybe that's $800,000 each for UConn, Cincinnati, and USF, $99,000 for the lawyers and consultants, and $1,000 to be divided among the incoming football schools.

Another IOU to throw on the pile.

(03-08-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

You can't be split between 2 FBS football conferences.

You can, if the 2 conferences allow it. The ACC and Big Ten don't, so they don't have room for Louisville and Rutgers until the ACC and Maryland are done suing each other.

Louisville and Rutgers aren't in the Aresco League next year because of Aresco League rules, they're in the Aresco LEague because they don't have a place to move into yet.

I don't think you can play your football in basketball in different FBS leagues. Louisville can't play in aresco league for football and ACC for basketball- that's not allowed.

(03-08-2013 05:47 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:07 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Did I just miss an important announcement ? I thought Louisville and Rutgers were stuck here until 6/31/2014. I've understood We play Football for 2013/2014 season but were told We had to remain also for 2013/2014 Basketball which made NO Sense as ND and the C7 leave as soon as Basketball finished in a few weeks even though all other sports in Big East/A12/Metro remain for everyone involved.

You can't be split between 2 FBS football conferences.

I just went back and re read RUJohnny99's post and I guess He meant No longer "a Big East member" in name only. Got it!

Exactly. The Big East by-laws do not mention "or successor conference".

As soon as the ink is dry on the deal with the basketball Big East, those bylaws will say whatever a UConn, USF and Cincinatti want them to say. 3/4 majority lets them rewrite the bylaws. Or in this case, a 3/3 majority.

Quote:On 7/1, when the CYOs take the name & go away, the Big East By-laws are no longer applicable for the 3 football schools.

Good luck with that. The old provisions of the bylaws governing exit fees will still apply.

(03-08-2013 07:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think you can play your football in basketball in different FBS leagues. Louisville can't play in aresco league for football and ACC for basketball- that's not allowed.

It's not an NCAA rule, it's just a bylaw for most self-respecting conferences. Remember, when Boise STate signed up for the Big East, they were going to play everything else in the still-FBS WAC.

(03-08-2013 08:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 07:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think you can play your football in basketball in different FBS leagues. Louisville can't play in aresco league for football and ACC for basketball- that's not allowed.

It's not an NCAA rule, it's just a bylaw for most self-respecting conferences. Remember, when Boise STate signed up for the Big East, they were going to play everything else in the still-FBS WAC.

And didn't the Big East help pay for Boise to get into the Big West ? what happened with that ?