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So who from CUSA will share the exit fee money from Houston, Memphis, UCF and SMU (and Tulane and ECU if they leave this year)? Is it just USM, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, Marshall and UAB?
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(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?
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(03-01-2013 12:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(03-01-2013 11:00 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Paying an entry fee to Nbe is adding insult to injury.

HOLY SH**... I agree with Tallgrass 100000000000%

I know....this is maybe the third time in my life its happened....at most, lol.

Think about it. Nine schools are paying an entry fee to three schools??? And no name??? At least when a business person buys a McDonald's franchise, they get to use the name McDonalds. If there is no name, why the entry fee?
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(03-01-2013 12:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?

blazr's had this as a recurring theme for a while, but there has been no indication that this consolidation will happen. Maybe it could, but given the timeline here, I don't know. He was right about the C7 split, but from all reports it seems as if there will be a "new" conference that is really just the Big East with a new name - as the C7 form their own conference and call it the Big East.
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(03-01-2013 12:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?

To the first part, some of the western schools in what is now CUSA would go west. The thinking is that each conference (or division if they create one conf, but that's highly unlikely) would wind up with 12 to 16 schools.

To the second part I would simply ask what part of realignment has been based on merit so far? CUSA has invited the schools it has to this point - and, by doing so, left the rest of the Sunbelt alone - for a reason. But if you want to look at things in those terms, the Eastern group would include at least ECU, UCF, and USF (Memphis has rumbled about putting basketball in what will be the BE, but I haven't heard anything about how the new group would feel about those terms), so CUSA is back to its 2.0 strength (plus some in basketball with ODU, Charlotte, and likely WKU).

Keep in mind that the whole point of this option is that there is no longer any financial justification for the millions in expenses to join what the nBE will now be and it will still lack stability. So, according to the planners, they'll take the opportunity to create something new that can survive and thrive in the newest incarnation of the Cartel's world.

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(03-01-2013 01:52 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?

To the first part, some of the western schools in what is now CUSA would go west. The thinking is that each conference (or division if they create one conf, but that's highly unlikely) would wind up with 12 to 16 schools.

To the second part I would simply ask what part of realignment has been based on merit so far? CUSA has invited the schools it has to this point - and, by doing so, left the rest of the Sunbelt alone - for a reason. But if you want to look at things in those terms, the Eastern group would include at least ECU, UCF, and USF (Memphis has rumbled about putting basketball in what will be the BE, but I haven't heard anything about how the new group would feel about those terms), so CUSA is back to its 2.0 strength (plus some in basketball with ODU, Charlotte, and likely WKU).

Keep in mind that the whole point of this option is that there is no longer any financial justification for the millions in expenses to join what the nBE will now be and it will still lack stability. So, according to the planners, they'll take the opportunity to create something new that can survive and thrive in the newest incarnation of the Cartel's world.

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Nothing created will be stable as long as there is the possibility of moving into a Cartel conference (love that term by the way). Would you say that those in Conference X now (including invitees) joining the remnants of the ACC after it inevitably gets poached would fit your bill of no "new" conference?
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(03-01-2013 12:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?

And is there more of a gap now between C-USA and the nBE or less than previously?
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(03-01-2013 01:05 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:27 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:00 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Paying an entry fee to Nbe is adding insult to injury.

HOLY SH**... I agree with Tallgrass 100000000000%

I know....this is maybe the third time in my life its happened....at most, lol.

Think about it. Nine schools are paying an entry fee to three schools??? And no name??? At least when a business person buys a McDonald's franchise, they get to use the name McDonalds. If there is no name, why the entry fee?

You dont have to convince me. I agree. If the Houston president isnt organizing the CUSA-6 into a solid negotiatiing block in an effort to gain some concessions from the conference to be named later then they are not doing thier jobs.
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(03-01-2013 02:01 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?

And is there more of a gap now between C-USA and the nBE or less than previously?

The only real gap between CUSA and the nBE now is egos.
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(03-01-2013 01:52 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:24 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:16 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think it's silly discussing all of these money-related minutiae. Everyone knows the pecking order, and that's all that matters. CUSA is not going to get rich off of exit fees and leap over the whatchamacallit conference, any more than the Sun Belt is going to do it to CUSA or the ACC is going to do it to the Big 10.

It is silly if the goal is to argue nBE vs. CUSA vs. MWC.

It's not silly at all, in fact it is of paramount importance, when you consider the other option on the table - create a Western Conf (name it what you like, but leveraging MWC's existence is the most efficient cost- and process-wise) and create an Eastern Conf (ditto the previous). Hell, leverage MWC and CUSA but get members to agree to a name change...makes no difference.

The above is going to happen eventually. Do it now and everyone can chill out for a bit.

But there are too many schools in (or scheduled to be in) the Aresco LEague and CUSA for just one conference. Plus, there's now much less gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt, so are the Sun Belt schools in the Eastern Conference(s)? Does the MAC go into the stewpot too?

To the first part, some of the western schools in what is now CUSA would go west. The thinking is that each conference (or division if they create one conf, but that's highly unlikely) would wind up with 12 to 16 schools.

MWC has 12, NBE has 11 (for now), CUSA has 14 when Charlotte and ODU make it to FBS. That's 37, which is more than 2 x 16. So either you're kicking someone out, or you're going to 20. Either of which is a much bigger (and more expensive) transition than just leaving the Aresco League teams alone and letting SMU tell themselves that they're a cut above UNT.

Quote:To the second part I would simply ask what part of realignment has been based on merit so far?

You can call it merit, or you can call it pecking order, but the question remains. If you're saying no more lower-FBS conferences based on NBE/CUSA/SBC prestige tiers, what happens to the Sun Belt?

And if you leave the Sun Belt alone, why exactly does Tulane have to be forced back into a conference with Louisiana Tech, but not Louisiana-Monroe?

Quote:Keep in mind that the whole point of this option is that there is no longer any financial justification for the millions in expenses to join what the nBE will now be and it will still lack stability. So, according to the planners, they'll take the opportunity to create something new that can survive and thrive in the newest incarnation of the Cartel's world.

I think some of the expenses (CUSA exit fees) are overestimated, and some (NBE entry fees) can just be negotiated away. So if SMU and Tulane and UCF can afford to spend a little more on travel so that they can act like UNT and LT and FIU have conference-BO, what difference does it make?

I could see CUSA and the Sun Belt shuffling into two regional leagues when CUSA's TV deal is up. But that would be their decision, not the NCAA's.

I still don't understand who is going to make them do this. If lower-FBS schools want to not associate with other lower-FBS schools, and can do it within the existing rules, I don't see what power-brokers would be willing to spend the capital to have and win the fight to force Memphis into a league with Middle Tennessee or UAB into a league with Troy if they don't want that.
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(03-01-2013 02:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I still don't understand who is going to make them do this. If lower-FBS schools want to not associate with other lower-FBS schools, and can do it within the existing rules, I don't see what power-brokers would be willing to spend the capital to have and win the fight to force Memphis into a league with Middle Tennessee or UAB into a league with Troy if they don't want that.

Agreed. Especially because there is no money to be made by reshuffling these leagues in such a way. TV networks aren't going to pay more for a regional league that contains all "non-contract" FBS teams in Florida or Texas, and there is little or no reason to believe that USF will sell more tickets for a home FB game vs. FAU than they would for a home football game vs. Temple.

If the only savings is some marginal decrease in travel costs by shrinking the footprint of each league, then SMU would consider the extra travel costs a small price to pay for being able to consider their program to be above UNT, or USF above FAU, or ECU above Charlotte, etc.
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(03-01-2013 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I still don't understand who is going to make them do this. If lower-FBS schools want to not associate with other lower-FBS schools, and can do it within the existing rules, I don't see what power-brokers would be willing to spend the capital to have and win the fight to force Memphis into a league with Middle Tennessee or UAB into a league with Troy if they don't want that.

Agreed. Especially because there is no money to be made by reshuffling these leagues in such a way. TV networks aren't going to pay more for a regional league that contains all "non-contract" FBS teams in Florida or Texas, and there is little or no reason to believe that USF will sell more tickets for a home FB game vs. FAU than they would for a home football game vs. Temple.

If the only savings is some marginal decrease in travel costs by shrinking the footprint of each league, then SMU would consider the extra travel costs a small price to pay for being able to consider their program to be above UNT, or USF above FAU, or ECU above Charlotte, etc.

To all with the derogatory comments about the Sunbelt teams, just remember that last year the SBC went 6-2 against the teams (including Navy) moving to the Former New Big East.
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(03-01-2013 02:48 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I still don't understand who is going to make them do this. If lower-FBS schools want to not associate with other lower-FBS schools, and can do it within the existing rules, I don't see what power-brokers would be willing to spend the capital to have and win the fight to force Memphis into a league with Middle Tennessee or UAB into a league with Troy if they don't want that.

Agreed. Especially because there is no money to be made by reshuffling these leagues in such a way. TV networks aren't going to pay more for a regional league that contains all "non-contract" FBS teams in Florida or Texas, and there is little or no reason to believe that USF will sell more tickets for a home FB game vs. FAU than they would for a home football game vs. Temple.

If the only savings is some marginal decrease in travel costs by shrinking the footprint of each league, then SMU would consider the extra travel costs a small price to pay for being able to consider their program to be above UNT, or USF above FAU, or ECU above Charlotte, etc.

To all with the derogatory comments about the Sunbelt teams, just remember that last year the SBC went 6-2 against the teams (including Navy) moving to the Former New Big East.

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Negotiating new or amended exit fees will be the hardest battle Aresco will put up. He's been a poor performer on just about every issue he's touched, but exit fees? Oh no, exit fees are practically the primary revenue source for the new Big East.

You're talking about touching the sacred cow here. If the new Big East loses any value on future exit fess the conference will collapse. Pretty funny.
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(03-01-2013 03:01 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  Negotiating new or amended exit fees will be the hardest battle Aresco will put up. He's been a poor performer on just about every issue he's touched, but exit fees? Oh no, exit fees are practically the primary revenue source for the new Big East.

You're talking about touching the sacred cow here. If the new Big East loses any value on future exit fess the conference will collapse. Pretty funny.

I said "Entry Fees." That's a different matter.
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(03-01-2013 02:48 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I still don't understand who is going to make them do this. If lower-FBS schools want to not associate with other lower-FBS schools, and can do it within the existing rules, I don't see what power-brokers would be willing to spend the capital to have and win the fight to force Memphis into a league with Middle Tennessee or UAB into a league with Troy if they don't want that.

Agreed. Especially because there is no money to be made by reshuffling these leagues in such a way. TV networks aren't going to pay more for a regional league that contains all "non-contract" FBS teams in Florida or Texas, and there is little or no reason to believe that USF will sell more tickets for a home FB game vs. FAU than they would for a home football game vs. Temple.

If the only savings is some marginal decrease in travel costs by shrinking the footprint of each league, then SMU would consider the extra travel costs a small price to pay for being able to consider their program to be above UNT, or USF above FAU, or ECU above Charlotte, etc.

To all with the derogatory comments about the Sunbelt teams, just remember that last year the SBC went 6-2 against the teams (including Navy) moving to the Former New Big East.

What you and I think about the SBC teams doesn't matter to the relevant decisionmakers -- the point is that the Aresco League teams think of themselves as better, and don't want to be realigned into a league with them.
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(03-01-2013 02:48 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 02:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I still don't understand who is going to make them do this. If lower-FBS schools want to not associate with other lower-FBS schools, and can do it within the existing rules, I don't see what power-brokers would be willing to spend the capital to have and win the fight to force Memphis into a league with Middle Tennessee or UAB into a league with Troy if they don't want that.

Agreed. Especially because there is no money to be made by reshuffling these leagues in such a way. TV networks aren't going to pay more for a regional league that contains all "non-contract" FBS teams in Florida or Texas, and there is little or no reason to believe that USF will sell more tickets for a home FB game vs. FAU than they would for a home football game vs. Temple.

If the only savings is some marginal decrease in travel costs by shrinking the footprint of each league, then SMU would consider the extra travel costs a small price to pay for being able to consider their program to be above UNT, or USF above FAU, or ECU above Charlotte, etc.

To all with the derogatory comments about the Sunbelt teams, just remember that last year the SBC went 6-2 against the teams (including Navy) moving to the Former New Big East.


No way. oBE schools lost to SB schools? LOL. There is not a **** hair difference in the GOFs except that one has that dang Boise. They are goin to be a thorn in all our sides.
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Quote:If you're saying no more lower-FBS conferences based on NBE/CUSA/SBC prestige tiers...

When have I ever said anything like that? All I've said is that there has been serious discussions about the point where forming the nBE as a new, non-Cartel conference (vs. what some thought it would be way back when) just doesn't make any sense: mostly financially, but in other ways as well. In those discussions, there has been talk about what does make sense and that has included a "Western group" and an "Eastern group" forming up and cooperating in some way other than being full conference mates. Most of the talk I've heard is that this is what will eventually happen anyway.

Just like when the C7 actually decided to split way back when, there is a lot left to play out and many forms the above could eventually take. The gist, however, and so what would be a critical factor is that whatever is formed allows former CUSA schools to not pay an exit fee to CUSA or an entry fee to MWC (or anyone else). Second to that is cooperation to leverage the East and West groups into a more lucrative TV deal than either could manage on their own (and there's also the advantage of only regional travel for non-football sports).

The "prestige tiers" are nice for fans to talk about and generally enjoyed by university Presidents/Chancellors/ADs who have superhuman egos, but while the former group is still speaking in those terms the latter group is most definitely not. It comes down to the sizes of athletic budgets and not spending ridiculous millions of $$ for no reason. The "Schools formerly known as nBE", the majority of MWC, and the rest of CUSA all have similarly-sized budgets. The schools with pending invites to CUSA have committed to increasing their budgets accordingly. Those schools would make up the pool from which the Western and Eastern groups are drawn, but to get specific (beyond saying it would include every current MWC and CUSA school...owing both to budget sizes and the concessions I mentioned above) about which schools and how many is way, WAY too premature.

I'm not here to convince anyone so feel free to ignore what I'm saying (many on here began doing that long ago), but if you try to shoehorn the information I'm passing along into the world your describing and many nBE fans want to sustain...well, your absolutely right that it doesn't make any sense. But the decision makers have (mostly) a larger view of things than any of us, thankfully...
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(03-01-2013 10:27 PM)blazr Wrote:  
Quote:If you're saying no more lower-FBS conferences based on NBE/CUSA/SBC prestige tiers...

When have I ever said anything like that? All I've said is that there has been serious discussions about the point where forming the nBE as a new, non-Cartel conference (vs. what some thought it would be way back when) just doesn't make any sense: mostly financially, but in other ways as well. In those discussions, there has been talk about what does make sense and that has included a "Western group" and an "Eastern group" forming up and cooperating in some way other than being full conference mates. Most of the talk I've heard is that this is what will eventually happen anyway.

Just like when the C7 actually decided to split way back when, there is a lot left to play out and many forms the above could eventually take. The gist, however, and so what would be a critical factor is that whatever is formed allows former CUSA schools to not pay an exit fee to CUSA or an entry fee to MWC (or anyone else). Second to that is cooperation to leverage the East and West groups into a more lucrative TV deal than either could manage on their own (and there's also the advantage of only regional travel for non-football sports).

The "prestige tiers" are nice for fans to talk about and generally enjoyed by university Presidents/Chancellors/ADs who have superhuman egos, but while the former group is still speaking in those terms the latter group is most definitely not. It comes down to the sizes of athletic budgets and not spending ridiculous millions of $$ for no reason. The "Schools formerly known as nBE", the majority of MWC, and the rest of CUSA all have similarly-sized budgets. The schools with pending invites to CUSA have committed to increasing their budgets accordingly. Those schools would make up the pool from which the Western and Eastern groups are drawn, but to get specific (beyond saying it would include every current MWC and CUSA school...owing both to budget sizes and the concessions I mentioned above) about which schools and how many is way, WAY too premature.

I'm not here to convince anyone so feel free to ignore what I'm saying (many on here began doing that long ago), but if you try to shoehorn the information I'm passing along into the world your describing and many nBE fans want to sustain...well, your absolutely right that it doesn't make any sense. But the decision makers have (mostly) a larger view of things than any of us, thankfully...

Again.....MWC=12, CUSA=14 (I think) and nBE=11. That makes 37 schools. Assume UConn & Cincy bolt. That's 35. How the hell do you split that into 2 divisions for one super conference? There's so much of it that makes no sense at all. USF/UCF don't want to associate with FIU/FAU. ECU wants nothing to do with UNCC. SMU/UH want nothing to do with UNT/UTSA and so on.... just like UAB wants nothing to do with USA/Troy.

So in a nutshell, for your sources' plan to occur several schools are screwed over Air Port meeting style.
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RE: Two Important Pieces of Information for Aresco League members
(03-01-2013 10:27 PM)blazr Wrote:  The gist, however, and so what would be a critical factor is that whatever is formed allows former CUSA schools to not pay an exit fee to CUSA or an entry fee to MWC (or anyone else).

That's mostly taken care of, though. CUSA's TV deal didn't get whacked, so the CUSA teams are paying $500,000 each. And waiving the NBE entry fees just requires an agreement within the NBE. That's a lot easier to do than upending and rearranging MWC/CUSA/NBE

Quote:Second to that is cooperation to leverage the East and West groups into a more lucrative TV deal than either could manage on their own (and there's also the advantage of only regional travel for non-football sports).

This makes the big assumption that the TV money is there for lower-FBS football. I don't think the money is there, no matter how you shuffle the conferences. If ESPN didn't have NBE or Sun Belt or MAC, they can send their crews out to FCS games and probably get pretty similar ratings. And if anyone else puts lower-FBS football on, no one will watch.
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