(02-22-2013 10:01 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I like this message board WAY more than the NBE board.

There's a reason why despite trying, my participation on that other board is moderate/minimal. That's a schizophrenia epidemic over there where subdued humor is completely lost.

I don't think Banowsky rushed into anything. He filled the holes left in his conference with growing programs in big markets. Its not his fault that the nBE's payout isn't as large as promised now and that the departing teams aren't happy about it.

(02-22-2013 10:14 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:08 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  CUSA should just wait and see what happens next. If the ACC dominos start falling then Conference expansion will be crazier then ever. Just wait until the dust settles and see what is left for CUSA. Nothing may happen for years as the Maryland exit fee case is dragged around in court or as crazy as expansion is something could happen next week. Bottom line there is no need for CUSA to rush into anything...they already did that IMO and should have waited a little longer to see what happens.

Like him or not, I do think that Britt maintains a constant list of what he believes to be the best available programs and a consistent vision for what he sees as the conference's future. He's very methodical and process oriented while some others appear to go haywire during a realignment frenzy.

I wasn't a big Britt supporter during the first reorg, but I've come to much better appreciate his steady and methodical approach to realignment. He'll never be a demonstrative, flame throwing human dynamo of a conference leader but will be a stabilizing, level-headed leader through the storms of change.

...which is exactly what we need. ...and somehow getting you guys and ECU back would be exactly what we need to shore up both sides of the revenue stream.

Looking at nBE hoops now, you have to at the very least be concerned. With the new CUSA adds and a TV contract coming up in three years, it provides opportunity to shine on both sides and increase product demand with MEM hoops and ECU football.

CUSA hoops down the road looks better today going forward...won't go Metro Conf level, but pretty good and no doubt better than it is today. Add you guys back into the mix and it gains immediate respectl

We picked up a few good football programs and adding ECU back in the mix will only help.

I don't care about the riff-raff posters in macro (I just fun with them as the wind blows) that yabadabadoo. I think there is an opportunity to take the nBE down before it gets started and let the next two years play out as they will.

I still doubt that any of the defectors will come back but if they were interested then C-USA should find a way to accomodate them.

We are scheduled to have 14 after ECU and Tulane leave after next season. To have all 6 come back would create a logjam of 20 schools. If the tv partners can come thru with the same level of payment, about 1.25 million per school per year, then the logistics could be worked out and regional pods could become a reality. Even USF, Cincy, UConn and Temple could be included for 24.

But it would be all about the money, the waiving of exit and entry fees, and an innovative performance rewarding system somewhat like the MWC came up with.

The reason why no school is going back to C-USA

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...comparison

(02-22-2013 10:14 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:08 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  CUSA should just wait and see what happens next. If the ACC dominos start falling then Conference expansion will be crazier then ever. Just wait until the dust settles and see what is left for CUSA. Nothing may happen for years as the Maryland exit fee case is dragged around in court or as crazy as expansion is something could happen next week. Bottom line there is no need for CUSA to rush into anything...they already did that IMO and should have waited a little longer to see what happens.

Like him or not, I do think that Britt maintains a constant list of what he believes to be the best available programs and a consistent vision for what he sees as the conference's future. He's very methodical and process oriented while some others appear to go haywire during a realignment frenzy.

I wasn't a big Britt supporter during the first reorg, but I've come to much better appreciate his steady and methodical approach to realignment. He'll never be a demonstrative, flame throwing human dynamo of a conference leader but will be a stabilizing, level-headed leader through the storms of change.

Lost faith in BB when he let the first round of defections leave without paying the mandatory exit fees, & let them make it up by letting them "lower" themselves to future play their former conference mates.

We won't even get into his total lack of will to stand up against the AQ system, when he knew it was unfair, unlawful, & it would ultimately kill the conference.

Mike Slive would have had the best of the BE, C-USA, & the MWC in one conference by now & a good television contract.

Not a BB fan.

(02-22-2013 10:54 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  I still doubt that any of the defectors will come back but if they were interested then C-USA should find a way to accomodate them.

We are scheduled to have 14 after ECU and Tulane leave after next season. To have all 6 come back would create a logjam of 20 schools. If the tv partners can come thru with the same level of payment, about 1.25 million per school per year, then the logistics could be worked out and regional pods could become a reality. Even USF, Cincy, UConn and Temple could be included for 24.

But it would be all about the money, the waiving of exit and entry fees, and an innovative performance rewarding system somewhat like the MWC came up with.

Just to be clear, I never said any of them would return. My thoughts are about trying to demonstrate why it makes sense (cents).

I am continually amused, especially today, that more people ignore the rational to stay the course of the irrational....

(02-22-2013 10:10 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 10:01 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I like this message board WAY more than the NBE board.

It's like Wagner's Ring Cycle. The end, when everything falls apart, is the most entertaining part... unless you're the guy whose testicles are getting flung into Hell by Valkyries. Then, you know, it's not as fun.

I don't always agree with you.



But when I do, I get the impression that you are entirely too smart to be posting on an internet message board.

(02-22-2013 10:18 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 10:01 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I like this message board WAY more than the NBE board.

There's a reason why despite trying, my participation on that other board is moderate/minimal. That's a schizophrenia epidemic over there where subdued humor is completely lost.

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.. we have a funny bone transplant to perform!

(02-22-2013 12:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  No fees, no bs....do the right thing Banowsky and level us off at 16. It would end all of this nonsense and strengthen the two top revenue sports.

my position on the whole big east thing has been clear from the beginning. i thought old cusa shoulda pulled a few schools and stuck it out. i have also been very clear on the fact that i have wanted us in the same conf as southern miss and have always pulled for you guys when we arent playing. maybe southern miss just comes on in with us and the rest or our old cusa, metro buddies and we get back down to the business of enjoying our old rivalries. other than being in the conf with southern miss, there is no reason to come back. other than having a stupid name (cusa) the conf was a bunch of schools that had been playing each other for 50-60 years and was a pretty fun conference. who knows the new configuration of cusa may end up being a hum dinger, but other than our old core group i dont see me ever caring about playing any of them.

i never cared about joining a bunch of yankees anyway.

(02-22-2013 11:19 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  Lost faith in BB when he let the first round of defections leave without paying the mandatory exit fees, & let them make it up by letting them "lower" themselves to future play their former conference mates.

Did that actually happen or was that just one of those 'blog rumours" that popped up on the expansion discussion board? Because I dont' recall anything of this ever coming out in the media as having been proven?

(02-22-2013 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reason why no school is going back to C-USA

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...comparison

Because they're all trying to run from the BE to the MWC?

(02-22-2013 01:09 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 10:59 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reason why no school is going back to C-USA

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...comparison

Because they're all trying to run from the BE to the MWC?

They must not teach reading comprehension skills in North Texas, if that's what you took from that article.

(02-22-2013 11:45 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 11:19 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  Lost faith in BB when he let the first round of defections leave without paying the mandatory exit fees, & let them make it up by letting them "lower" themselves to future play their former conference mates.

Did that actually happen or was that just one of those 'blog rumours" that popped up on the expansion discussion board? Because I dont' recall anything of this ever coming out in the media as having been proven?

Just so there's no doubt. Here ya go from Brett McMurphy 1-27-04


Jan 27, 2004

C-USA Won't Make USF Pony Up For Exit
By BRETT McMURPHY
bmcmurphy@tampatrib.com

TAMPA - South Florida will pay a $2.5 million entrance fee to join the Big East Conference but will not be required to pay Conference USA an exit fee, The Tampa Tribune has learned.
USF, Cincinnati, Louisville, DePaul and Marquette are leaving Conference USA after the 2004-05 school year to join the Big East, effective July 1, 2005.

The Big East will withhold $500,000 a year for five years from each new member from the annual revenue sharing pool - projected to be $2.8 million per school in 2005-06 - leaving each school $2.3 million per year.

If the Big East does not maintain its berth in the Bowl Championship Series through 2010, each new member's entry fee will be reduced to $2 million.

``No state money will be used [for the entrance fee], and there were no surprises,'' USF Vice President Michael Rierson said. ``We're very pleased with it.

``We anticipate a smooth transition. Everybody's worked very hard in both conference offices to make everything as smooth and simple as possible.''

Instead of paying an exit fee to C-USA, the five schools agreed to play an undetermined number of future football and basketball games against C-USA schools starting in 2005-06 to help C-USA offset lost television revenue generated by marquee basketball programs Louisville, Cincinnati and Marquette.

The Big East and C-USA will agree on those future games.

Besides more revenue in the Big East, USF will not be required to pay annual dues. C- USA required annual dues between $300,000-$400,000 from its members. USF still owes C- USA $800,000 of the $1 million when the football team joined C-USA this season.

USF's move to the Big East is expected to bring increased ticket revenue, corporate sponsorships, alumni donations and revenue from apparel sales.

The five schools wanted to join the Big East a year early in 2004, but Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese told the Tribune last week his league would not compensate C-USA, which was seeking ``$6 million to $10 million,'' C-USA Commissioner Britton Banowsky told the Tribune.

(02-22-2013 11:19 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 10:14 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:08 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  CUSA should just wait and see what happens next. If the ACC dominos start falling then Conference expansion will be crazier then ever. Just wait until the dust settles and see what is left for CUSA. Nothing may happen for years as the Maryland exit fee case is dragged around in court or as crazy as expansion is something could happen next week. Bottom line there is no need for CUSA to rush into anything...they already did that IMO and should have waited a little longer to see what happens.

Like him or not, I do think that Britt maintains a constant list of what he believes to be the best available programs and a consistent vision for what he sees as the conference's future. He's very methodical and process oriented while some others appear to go haywire during a realignment frenzy.

I wasn't a big Britt supporter during the first reorg, but I've come to much better appreciate his steady and methodical approach to realignment. He'll never be a demonstrative, flame throwing human dynamo of a conference leader but will be a stabilizing, level-headed leader through the storms of change.

Lost faith in BB when he let the first round of defections leave without paying the mandatory exit fees, & let them make it up by letting them "lower" themselves to future play their former conference mates.

We won't even get into his total lack of will to stand up against the AQ system, when he knew it was unfair, unlawful, & it would ultimately kill the conference.

Mike Slive would have had the best of the BE, C-USA, & the MWC in one conference by now & a good television contract.

Not a BB fan.

I too was disappointed in a lot of the things that occurred in the first realignment shuffle. He was a fairly new commissioner at the time and I think that he could have done a lot of things differently as the conference broke up. However, after that point in time, he did a good job of rebuilding the conference with it's current members.

Once I removed my personal bias regarding his actions as a new commissioner, I was able to see things a little differently. That's not saying that my opinion is better or more accurate than yours, I'm just seeing things from a different perspective than I did before.

(02-22-2013 08:57 AM)egrizzard Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:42 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 12:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  No fees, no bs....do the right thing Banowsky and level us off at 16. It would end all of this nonsense and strengthen the two top revenue sports.

Memphis will never come back with MTSU on board.

Eh. I don't think that is that big if a deal. I wanted to see MTSU on the schedule for awhile. A team right up te road could be a nice rivalry.

I never understood why some am emphis fans want to slam MTSU the ey Ut slams us.

simple really. you are known by the company you keep and I would imagine that memphis sees itself at a higher level than a mtsu.

(02-22-2013 02:17 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 08:57 AM)egrizzard Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:42 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 12:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  No fees, no bs....do the right thing Banowsky and level us off at 16. It would end all of this nonsense and strengthen the two top revenue sports.

Memphis will never come back with MTSU on board.

Eh. I don't think that is that big if a deal. I wanted to see MTSU on the schedule for awhile. A team right up te road could be a nice rivalry.

I never understood why some am emphis fans want to slam MTSU the ey Ut slams us.

simple really. you are known by the company you keep and I would imagine that memphis sees itself at a higher level than a mtsu.

I think we do, but that doesn't mean that how we perceive ourselves matches up to reality. Middle is at worst our equal in football and now they have a quality hoops program. I am not familiar with the rest their sports programs, but I wouldn't be surprised if those were very competitive as well.

Value of a game against USF = $0.00.

I bet at first that the mWC teams didn't believe that Boise and San Diego State could come back into the fold and never play a down of BE football, so it's not inconceivable that a ECU, Memphis or Tulane could change their minds................... If I'm not mistaken, ECU and Tulane haven't "officially" redrawn from CUSA.

Britt could disregard any exit fees and either of the above listed schools could argue that the entrance fee/backout fees the BE could try to enforce could be nonbinding as a result "false advertising".

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

(02-22-2013 03:54 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  I bet at first that the mWC teams didn't believe that Boise and San Diego State could come back into the fold and never play a down of BE football, so it's not inconceivable that a ECU, Memphis or Tulane could change their minds................... If I'm not mistaken, ECU and Tulane haven't "officially" redrawn from CUSA.

Britt could disregard any exit fees and either of the above listed schools could argue that the entrance fee/backout fees the BE could try to enforce could be nonbinding as a result "false advertising".

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

It's just not in Britton's DNA to think outside the box, to make the conference better. It really isn't.