It's strange. Georgia and Oklahoma have two of the biggest and best systems for this. The Governor of Alabama came out in favor of this three weeks ago in his State of the State address. Now that Obama is in favor of it, the plan is abject communism. Weird.
The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
Ugh. First, no one else should be obliged to pay for people's daycare. Second, no gov't program ever stays w/in its original intent. Third, gov't programs will always be used for indoctrination.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
The kids should have had far more responsible fathers.
Oh wait, that's only valid when you're killing kids. Never mind.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
The kids should have had far more responsible fathers.
Oh wait, that's only valid when you're killing kids. Never mind.
I don't even know where to start with the hypocrisy and just irrationality of your position. It's the kids fault their parents are crap.
So we standardize what pre-schoolers should know...until some kids don't get it. Then someone determines the standards are racist (see California) and the whole thing gets dumbed down just like regular public school. But paying for more teachers with better benefits will fix this.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
The kids should have had far more responsible fathers.
Oh wait, that's only valid when you're killing kids. Never mind.
I don't even know where to start with the hypocrisy and just irrationality of your position. It's the kids fault their parents are crap.
(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote: So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
This entitlement will not cause a long term fix to the social structural problems facing the poor in this nation, nothing! It will just create another out of control entitlement and chance to get the next generation of sheep trained faster.
the problem is when Obama says "universal" he almost mean compulsory. I have no trust for the mans attitude towards people raising their own kids. The the left "it takes a village" is not a suggestion, it's a command.
(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote: So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
This entitlement will not cause a long term fix to the social structural problems facing the poor in this nation, nothing! It will just create another out of control entitlement and chance to get the next generation of sheep trained faster.
the problem is when Obama says "universal" he almost mean compulsory. I have no trust for the mans attitude towards people raising their own kids. The the left "it takes a village" is not a suggestion, it's a command.
It could very well create the largest babysitting network in the country.
(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote: So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
They get 13 years of free education already in this country. They get free lunches, free transportation to and from the school, free books and the list goes on.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
The kids should have had far more responsible fathers.
Oh wait, that's only valid when you're killing kids. Never mind.
I don't even know where to start with the hypocrisy and just irrationality of your position
Of course you don't. Because it's not hypocritical, it's not irrational. It's just that it doesn't agree with your feelings. You have no defensible position on this, so you just make rabbity noises.
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
I didn't say that they were doomed. I just stated that to point out that one of the core probelms with high risk kids is that there parents arent engaged like they should be.
Plenty of kids with ****** parents do just fine. Unfortunately they are at a disadvantage, just a fact. Are you saying that its the govts job to raise the kids if the parents are ******?
(02-14-2013 03:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: The responsibility begins at home. There is no reason parents are incapable of teaching their children numbers, shapes, and basic vocabulary. Most of these kids he references are behind because they have ****** parents. I grew up in a very poor area with large numbers of minority kids living at or below the poverty line. Those that had good parents and grandparents and wanted to learn did just fine, I finished high school with many of them. Those that didn't walk the road and live off welfare checks, working part-time if at all. A good portion sell drugs, steal from the local farmers, and are in and out of county lockup.
I would be all for some sort of preschool system, but I know the strings that come attached to the word "universal". The cost of daycare and preschool is outrageous in NC, and I know its only higher elsewhere. I'd like to see the movement start at a state level, with federal government or DOE interference. I'm for education, not indoctrination. I don't see why future programs can't include some sort of daycare associated with elementary schools for 3-4 year-olds.
So kids with ****** parents are just doomed and we shouldn't do anything to help them? And in 18 years they should be responsible and just know all the skills they'll need to get a job.
I didn't say that they were doomed. I just stated that to point out that one of the core probelms with high risk kids is that there parents arent engaged like they should be.
Plenty of kids with ****** parents do just fine. Unfortunately they are at a disadvantage, just a fact. Are you saying that its the govts job to raise the kids if the parents are ******?
(02-14-2013 07:36 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote: I really don't get it.
Agreed.
Quote:When they're born you don't want to feed them or give them an education
Who has said this? Because someone is against paying for every 4 year old to go to pre-school, something that by most accounts is worthless passed the third grade, equates to not wanting them fed or educated?
Quote:When they get out of high school you don't want to give them a higher education
Why should we give anyone a higher education? When you give people higher education you insure you have people going to college that have no business going, wasting money. The world needs ditch diggers to.
One day you liberals have to grasp not everyone is meant for success. Not everyone is meant to go to college. Some people's lives will just suck. It's the way of the world. And when you try to get government to ensure no one's life has any hardship you invite uncontrolled debt and less personal liberty for everyone else.
(02-14-2013 07:36 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote: I really don't get it.
Agreed.
Quote:When they're born you don't want to feed them or give them an education
Who has said this? Because someone is against paying for every 4 year old to go to pre-school, something that by most accounts is worthless passed the third grade, equates to not wanting them fed or educated?
Quote:When they get out of high school you don't want to give them a higher education
Why should we give anyone a higher education? When you give people higher education you insure you have people going to college that have no business going, wasting money. The world needs ditch diggers to.
One day you liberals have to grasp not everyone is meant for success. Not everyone is meant to go to college. Some people's lives will just suck. It's the way of the world. And when you try to get government to ensure no one's life has any hardship you invite uncontrolled debt and less personal liberty for everyone else.
I said higher education, not college. Higher education in this case may mean college, a trade school, or some kind of vocational training.
