(02-07-2013 09:14 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  However, I don't support the efforts by gays in this instance. I don't think young women should lead Boy Scout Troops, so neither should gay men.

Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

A private group can make whatever rules they want about the critieria through which they allow members or leaders. The gays who advocate for this aren't asking for equal rights. They're demanding a private group bend to their will or they will work to shut it down.

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 09:14 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  However, I don't support the efforts by gays in this instance. I don't think young women should lead Boy Scout Troops, so neither should gay men.

Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

A private group can make whatever rules they want about the critieria through which they allow members or leaders. The gays who advocate for this aren't asking for equal rights. They're demanding a private group bend to their will or they will work to shut it down.

No.

(02-07-2013 02:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 09:14 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  However, I don't support the efforts by gays in this instance. I don't think young women should lead Boy Scout Troops, so neither should gay men.

Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

A private group can make whatever rules they want about the critieria through which they allow members or leaders. The gays who advocate for this aren't asking for equal rights. They're demanding a private group bend to their will or they will work to shut it down.

No.

Since you aren't a parent, and thankfully never will be, it's not shock it makes no sense to you.

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

Agree with all of this.

(02-07-2013 02:26 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 01:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 01:26 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 12:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  People who deal in absolutes see no middle ground, dude...

I don't even know what that means, let alone in this context.

Let me see if I can put this in terms you can understand then...

Take a glass that's filled halfway. Some people see it as half full, and some see it as half empty...

Then there are those who say, "Who stole my drink? This isn't my glass. My glass was full, and it was a lot bigger too"...

Also, there's always a few people sitting at the end of the bar who don't care one way or another. They realize the guy complaining about the glass being too small is going to take their drink, knock it over, or something else that will result in them not getting a glass at all...

Ah yes.

Hmmm.

Ok, I have no clue.

I did play trivia last night at the local pub. Actually won again, playing solo against several teams. My glass of Guiness started full, and ended empty.

I bet it was a big glass, and hope nobody had their glass knocked over. But if one was knocked over, I'm sure it wasn't yours...

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

Here we are back to this "gays are child molesters" thing that simply has zero evidence behind it. Not to mention current policy hasn't stopped child molestation from happening anyway. How about you keep child molesters out and not punish an innocent group of people.

(02-07-2013 05:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

Here we are back to this "gays are child molesters" thing that simply has zero evidence behind it. Not to mention current policy hasn't stopped child molestation from happening anyway. How about you keep child molesters out and not punish an innocent group of people.

If you could read for comprehension you'd see neither he nor I said anything of the kind.

(02-07-2013 05:21 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 05:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

Here we are back to this "gays are child molesters" thing that simply has zero evidence behind it. Not to mention current policy hasn't stopped child molestation from happening anyway. How about you keep child molesters out and not punish an innocent group of people.

If you could read for comprehension you'd see neither he nor I said anything of the kind.

Do you think that if a pedophile who is attracted to boys gets it in his head that he wants to join the BSA and be a leader of some kind, that he would admit that he's attracted to boys or men? Do you not think that he'd keep it secret? If you accept that likelihood, then why would you punish honest people who are open and don't try to hide what they are and are no more likely to do anything wrong to those children than you are?

Boy Scouts will probably have a lot of candidates for leadership positions.

(02-07-2013 05:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

Here we are back to this "gays are child molesters" thing that simply has zero evidence behind it.

You're wrong about that. But you don't like facts.

Quote: Not to mention current policy hasn't stopped child molestation from happening anyway.

Once again, you're wrong.

Quote: How about you keep child molesters out and not punish an innocent group of people.

Wow, that's three in a row. No one is being "punished".

So, are you willfully ignorant, or a liar?

Everything liberalism touches, it destroys. The Boy Scouts and Catholic church adoptions are only the most recent examples.

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

I agree. I have no problem with gay people. I have a problem with liberal gay people who want to force their views onto everyone else. I know several gay people and two guys in particular, who've been together for over 20 years, would make damn good scout leaders. J__ is an excellent "country boy" from Macon, K___ is more of the beach type and great at saltwater sports. I just don't like this intimidation BS. Funny, blacks were intimidated from hell and back decades ago; now certain ones like JJ intimidate others. Gay people were as well, now, get on the bad side of the Gdamn LBGT community and they want you destroyed. They're Progs. You're not supposed to have your own opinion. Progs are like the Gdamn Borg.

(02-07-2013 06:09 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 05:16 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:53 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 02:39 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Doesn't it just make sense that you wouldn't let someone lead a scout troop made up of the sex they are attracted to? Boy or Girl scout?

It does to me. I don't want straight men or lesbians leading Girl Scout troops out in the woods either.

MOST gay men could lead a Boy Scout troop without issue, most straight men could lead Girl Scouts without issue. If we can prevent event a few sexual assaults though, I think we should.

BSA is a private organization. Go start the LGBT Scouts where lesbians and gays can all participate together if merit badges are that big of a deal to you.

Here we are back to this "gays are child molesters" thing that simply has zero evidence behind it.

You're wrong about that. But you don't like facts.

Quote: Not to mention current policy hasn't stopped child molestation from happening anyway.

Once again, you're wrong.

Quote: How about you keep child molesters out and not punish an innocent group of people.

Wow, that's three in a row. No one is being "punished".

So, are you willfully ignorant, or a liar?

Can you cite proof? I mean other than something in the Bible or what your preacher told you.

Seems the only gay pedophiles who actually get criticized are Catholic priests, and that criticism isn't because they're gay pedos, it's because they're Catholic.

I could care less if guys flit around, bugger and marry each other. It is their private business. Conversely...The BSA is a private organization that should be afforded the same respect. They should be able to set the standards for membership. There is nothing stopping someone from starting a twink organization similar to the BSA.

(02-08-2013 08:31 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I could care less if guys flit around, bugger and marry each other. It is their private business. Conversely...The BSA is a private organization that should be afforded the same respect.

Nicely stated.

(02-08-2013 03:06 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Seems the only gay pedophiles who actually get criticized are Catholic priests, and that criticism isn't because they're gay pedos, it's because they're Catholic.

That's not why they were vilified, Paul...

They were vilified because they supposed to be celebate (which is against nature and the will of their own God, who said be fruitful and multiply). They proclaimed their celibacy to the world, while molesting children. That makes them lying hypocrites, who while professing their holiness, were ruining the lives entrusted to them by the church. The church's response was to shuffle those child predators to a new - unsuspecting - parish, in order to avoid embarrassment and prosecution...

IMO any church that forces those who serve the church to go against the natural order of things, and celibacy fits that bill, is stupid. The Catholic Church should allow priests and nuns to marry, so they can act as nature intended...

(02-08-2013 09:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 03:06 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Seems the only gay pedophiles who actually get criticized are Catholic priests, and that criticism isn't because they're gay pedos, it's because they're Catholic.

That's not why they were vilified, Paul...

They were vilified because they supposed to be celebate (which is against nature and the will of their own God, who said be fruitful and multiply). They proclaimed their celibacy to the world, while molesting children. That makes them lying hypocrites, who while professing their holiness, were ruining the lives entrusted to them by the church. The church's response was to shuffle those child predators to a new - unsuspecting - parish, in order to avoid embarrassment and prosecution...

IMO any church that forces those who serve the church to go against the natural order of things, and celibacy fits that bill, is stupid. The Catholic Church should allow priests and nuns to marry, so they can act as nature intended...

This.

As long as celibacy remains a tenet of Catholicism there will be a small portion of priests that will not be able to handle it and will result to unnatural behaviors.

(02-08-2013 09:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  They were vilified because they supposed to be celebate (which is against nature and the will of their own God, who said be fruitful and multiply).

The Apostle Paul was celibate.