(01-29-2013 07:11 PM)banker Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 05:28 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:57 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Imagine Randy Moss with Jerry Rice's work ethic.

Ask New England.......QB would not even throw to him.......team finally cut him.....best ever..............please! Maybe not top 50......ability only small part of it.......WR Cedric Jones, former captain and player for Duke, played his entire career for New England, retired, and went to work for NFL..... quality and not quantity......Moss and others like him are only fly by nighters who move from team to team (my opinion so Mu trolls (Muto, etc.) try to control yourselves and I will respect your opinion, too).


Just an opinion.....relax.....I respect everything you said:) Hope you have a good night.

I'll wait for your list of the other 49 you would put in front of him.

Let's see:

He has the NFL record for TD receptions by a rookie
NFL record for TD receptions in a season - 23
#2 behind Rice for career TD receptions with 156

Fly by nighter currently playing his 14th NFL season? Seems like an odd assessment.

But let's start back in college:
He redshirted at FSU in 1995 where they clocked him at 4.25 in the 40. Second fastest in school history to Deion's 4.23.

1996 at Marshall - set a record with a TD catch in 14 games and a record 13 games straight. Tied , huh, Jerry Rice, for most TDs in a season with 28. Set NCAA freshman yardage record with 1,709 yards on only 78 catches (22 ypc). Also led college football with a 34 ypr average on kickoffs.

1997 at Marshall - yards went up to 1,820 with 26 TDs (in two less games than 1996) to end his 2-year college career with 3,526 yards and 54 TDs. Moss still holds 7 NCAA records.

In the NFL - Ran a 4.25 40 in to a headwind at combine and drafted 21th overall. Rookie season was, of course, legendary as mentioned. Rookie record for TDs still stands plus 1,700+ yards, Rookie of the Year. Due to his dominance, league DCs adopted what became know as the "Randy Rules" where the defensive gameplan was built around trying to limit his impact on the game (funny, don't remember anyone doing that for Rice to the point where it morphed into the current lexicon). Was the leading offensive playmaker on the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history, the 1998 Vikings and the 2007 Pats (and he, of course, led those teams in offensive production). Oh, and in 2007 his 23 TDs surpassed the record previously held by, uh, Jerry Rice.

Some select, not comprehensive, NFL records held by Moss:

Most seasons averaging at least 1TD per game -4
Youngest player to 5,000 yards receiving
Youngest receiver to 100 TDs
Youngest player to 120 TDs
Most consecutive 1,200 yard seasons - 6
Highest career ypc average (at least 900 receptions) - 15.6
Most seasons with 10 or more receiving TDs - 9 (tied with Rice)

Other fun stats;
As a QB in the NFL he is 4-8 for 106 yards and 2 TDs, over 95 passer rating.

He is only one of 3 black athletes to have a college award named for him.

He has 39 multiple TD games in the NFL

He ranks in the top 10 all time in all these:
1,000 yard receiving seasons
receiving TDs
receiving yards
yards per game receiving
Total TDs
receptions
100 yard games

But you're probably right, a fly by nighter that's not in the top 50 wide receivers of all time.

(01-29-2013 07:11 PM)banker Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 05:28 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:57 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Imagine Randy Moss with Jerry Rice's work ethic.

Ask New England.......QB would not even throw to him.......team finally cut him.....best ever..............please! Maybe not top 50......ability only small part of it.......WR Cedric Jones, former captain and player for Duke, played his entire career for New England, retired, and went to work for NFL..... quality and not quantity......Moss and others like him are only fly by nighters who move from team to team (my opinion so Mu trolls (Muto, etc.) try to control yourselves and I will respect your opinion, too).

I'll wait for your list of the other 49 you would put in front of him.

Let's see:

He has the NFL record for TD receptions by a rookie
NFL record for TD receptions in a season - 23
#2 behind Rice for career TD receptions with 156

Fly by nighter currently playing his 14th NFL season? Seems like an odd assessment.

But let's start back in college:
He redshirted at FSU in 1995 where they clocked him at 4.25 in the 40. Second fastest in school history to Deion's 4.23.

1996 at Marshall - set a record with a TD catch in 14 games and a record 13 games straight. Tied , huh, Jerry Rice, for most TDs in a season with 28. Set NCAA freshman yardage record with 1,709 yards on only 78 catches (22 ypc). Also led college football with a 34 ypr average on kickoffs.

1997 at Marshall - yards went up to 1,820 with 26 TDs (in two less games than 1996) to end his 2-year college career with 3,526 yards and 54 TDs. Moss still holds 7 NCAA records.

In the NFL - Ran a 4.25 40 in to a headwind at combine and drafted 21th overall. Rookie season was, of course, legendary as mentioned. Rookie record for TDs still stands plus 1,700+ yards, Rookie of the Year. Due to his dominance, league DCs adopted what became know as the "Randy Rules" where the defensive gameplan was built around trying to limit his impact on the game (funny, don't remember anyone doing that for Rice to the point where it morphed into the current lexicon). Was the leading offensive playmaker on the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history, the 1998 Vikings and the 2007 Pats (and he, of course, led those teams in offensive production). Oh, and in 2007 his 23 TDs surpassed the record previously held by, uh, Jerry Rice.

Some select, not comprehensive, NFL records held by Moss:

Most seasons averaging at least 1TD per game -4
Youngest player to 5,000 yards receiving
Youngest receiver to 100 TDs
Youngest player to 120 TDs
Most consecutive 1,200 yard seasons - 6
Highest career ypc average (at least 900 receptions) - 15.6
Most seasons with 10 or more receiving TDs - 9 (tied with Rice)

Other fun stats;
As a QB in the NFL he is 4-8 for 106 yards and 2 TDs, over 95 passer rating.

He is only one of 3 black athletes to have a college award named for him.

He has 39 multiple TD games in the NFL

He ranks in the top 10 all time in all these:
1,000 yard receiving seasons
receiving TDs
receiving yards
yards per game receiving
Total TDs
receptions
100 yard games

But you're probably right, a fly by nighter that's not in the top 50 wide receivers of all time.

You better stop being disrespectful posting those facts. Don't you realize that his Marshall obsessed opinions are all that matter. Us Marshall Trolls need to bow down and submit.

(01-29-2013 08:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here are the rankings per ESPN from an article in March 2006

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/st...id=3309223


Top 10 WRs of All Time
Raymond Berry, Boyd Dowler, Mike Holmgren, Ken Houston, Warren Moon, Keyshawn Johnson and Ted Thompson helped ESPN.com evaluate the best wide receivers in NFL history. ESPN.com weighed their contributions, balancing rankings with anecdotal evidence, to create the following list.




1. JERRY RICE
Career: Played for 49ers, Raiders and Seahawks from 1985-2004. Holds NFL records for receptions (1,549), receiving yards (22,895), TD receptions (197), TDs (207).
Quick quote: "Jerry had a tremendous combination of speed, size, toughness, smarts." -- Holmgren, Rice's offensive coordinator in San Francisco

2. RANDY MOSS
Career: Set NFL record with 23 TD catches last season with Patriots.
Quick quote: "Randy Moss catches the ball so well almost without looking at it sometimes. He is scary physically." -- Boyd Dowler, retired scout and former NFL receiver.

3. DON HUTSON
Career: Played for Packers from 1935-45. Held 18 NFL records when he retired. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1963.
Quick quote: "Lean and swift, and boy, he could catch the heck out of it." -- Hall of Famer Berry, who studied films of Hutson in detail.

4. MICHAEL IRVIN
Career: Played for Cowboys from 1988-99. Had 750 career receptions for 11,904 yards. Elected to Hall of Fame in 2007.
Quick quote: "People might not like some of the other things, but when he was on those stripes, he was as competitive as there is." -- Hall of Fame QB Moon

5. PAUL WARFIELD
Career: Played for Browns, Dolphins from 1964-77. Averaged 20.1 yards per catch. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1983.
Quick quote: "Warfield was a lot like Charlie Joiner. Every step meant something to those guys. Warfield got into his route and it was like somebody falling off the face of the earth. That's how quick he could be into it." -- Hall of Fame safety Houston

6. CHARLEY TAYLOR
Career: Played for Redskins 1964-77. All-time leading receiver with 649 catches for 9,110 yards when he retired. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1984.
Quick quote: "Those types of athletes who played more than one position --- Charley Taylor -- are worth the price of admission just to see them line up. That is an athlete right there, a subject in itself." -- Berry

7. STEVE LARGENT
Career: Played for Seahawks from 1976-89. Had 819 catches, 13,089 yards, 100 TDs. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1995.
Quick quote: "He was as crafty as anybody I could recall. He wasn't a big guy, but he knew exactly how to lean on people and his hands were unbelievable." -- Packers GM Ted Thompson

8. CRIS CARTER
Career: Played for Eagles, Vikings, Dolphins from 1987-2002. Had 13,899 yards receiving, 130 TD receptions.
Quick quote: "I've never been around a guy as competitive as he is. He is so confident. He was a hard worker, which I enjoyed because whatever I got in practice, I knew that's I was going to get in the game." -- Moon

9. TERRELL OWENS
Career: Has 129 TD receptions in career with 49ers, Eagles, Cowboys.
Quick quote: "My biggest knock on him is he drops too many balls, but he makes a lot of big plays and he's as good as there is after the catch and he makes difficult catches." -- Moon

10. MARVIN HARRISON
Career: Has spent entire 12-yard career with Colts. Set NFL record with 143 receptions in 2002.
Quick quote: "Of all the things that impresses me, it's how he goes about his job, how he goes about his business. He's not a fanfare guy. He's just a football player." -- Holmgren

Nobody is arguing that Moss isn't a great receiver. For him to come out today and try to steal the spotlight from his teammates is bull$&tt. He can't carry Jerry Rice's jockstrap as a receiver or human being. His mouth today proved it.

(01-29-2013 07:29 PM)r2pirate Wrote:  Point well taken...........did I not tell the world you would come out in your self-opinion and the world is wrong attitude. I am glad you get e-mails but I have received none from any of your friends. Maybe you are just a poor loser who lose alot who set at home all day and troll internet. I gave an opinion and you again with your childlike behavior and last of knowledge responded as expected. A poor example for MU who I have the upmost respect. But then he is a transplant from another state.

Douch e bag... I responded because you specifically posted my name. Thats what your problem is. You do stuff then want to act like an innocent victim. Again nobody questioned your opinion. I'm sure those that have read your babble as I have wouldn't care about it just as I don't. Keep living in your skewed Marshall obsessed world. You better get the nurse to check your Depends.

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

If being the greatest receiver ever has any affect (sarcasm) on the value of "Rookie Cards", then Randy Moss is full of it. I've got several of his rookie cards I got way back in the day and most aren't worth the paper they're printed on now.

He could have achieved so much more..............

I'd agree that if Jerry Rice isn't the greatest, he's at least in the Top 3.

(01-29-2013 08:25 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 08:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Here are the rankings per ESPN from an article in March 2006

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/st...id=3309223


Top 10 WRs of All Time
Raymond Berry, Boyd Dowler, Mike Holmgren, Ken Houston, Warren Moon, Keyshawn Johnson and Ted Thompson helped ESPN.com evaluate the best wide receivers in NFL history. ESPN.com weighed their contributions, balancing rankings with anecdotal evidence, to create the following list.




1. JERRY RICE
Career: Played for 49ers, Raiders and Seahawks from 1985-2004. Holds NFL records for receptions (1,549), receiving yards (22,895), TD receptions (197), TDs (207).
Quick quote: "Jerry had a tremendous combination of speed, size, toughness, smarts." -- Holmgren, Rice's offensive coordinator in San Francisco

2. RANDY MOSS
Career: Set NFL record with 23 TD catches last season with Patriots.
Quick quote: "Randy Moss catches the ball so well almost without looking at it sometimes. He is scary physically." -- Boyd Dowler, retired scout and former NFL receiver.

3. DON HUTSON
Career: Played for Packers from 1935-45. Held 18 NFL records when he retired. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1963.
Quick quote: "Lean and swift, and boy, he could catch the heck out of it." -- Hall of Famer Berry, who studied films of Hutson in detail.

4. MICHAEL IRVIN
Career: Played for Cowboys from 1988-99. Had 750 career receptions for 11,904 yards. Elected to Hall of Fame in 2007.
Quick quote: "People might not like some of the other things, but when he was on those stripes, he was as competitive as there is." -- Hall of Fame QB Moon

5. PAUL WARFIELD
Career: Played for Browns, Dolphins from 1964-77. Averaged 20.1 yards per catch. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1983.
Quick quote: "Warfield was a lot like Charlie Joiner. Every step meant something to those guys. Warfield got into his route and it was like somebody falling off the face of the earth. That's how quick he could be into it." -- Hall of Fame safety Houston

6. CHARLEY TAYLOR
Career: Played for Redskins 1964-77. All-time leading receiver with 649 catches for 9,110 yards when he retired. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1984.
Quick quote: "Those types of athletes who played more than one position --- Charley Taylor -- are worth the price of admission just to see them line up. That is an athlete right there, a subject in itself." -- Berry

7. STEVE LARGENT
Career: Played for Seahawks from 1976-89. Had 819 catches, 13,089 yards, 100 TDs. Elected to Hall of Fame in 1995.
Quick quote: "He was as crafty as anybody I could recall. He wasn't a big guy, but he knew exactly how to lean on people and his hands were unbelievable." -- Packers GM Ted Thompson

8. CRIS CARTER
Career: Played for Eagles, Vikings, Dolphins from 1987-2002. Had 13,899 yards receiving, 130 TD receptions.
Quick quote: "I've never been around a guy as competitive as he is. He is so confident. He was a hard worker, which I enjoyed because whatever I got in practice, I knew that's I was going to get in the game." -- Moon

9. TERRELL OWENS
Career: Has 129 TD receptions in career with 49ers, Eagles, Cowboys.
Quick quote: "My biggest knock on him is he drops too many balls, but he makes a lot of big plays and he's as good as there is after the catch and he makes difficult catches." -- Moon

10. MARVIN HARRISON
Career: Has spent entire 12-yard career with Colts. Set NFL record with 143 receptions in 2002.
Quick quote: "Of all the things that impresses me, it's how he goes about his job, how he goes about his business. He's not a fanfare guy. He's just a football player." -- Holmgren

Nobody is arguing that Moss isn't a great receiver. For him to come out today and try to steal the spotlight from his teammates is bull$&tt. He can't carry Jerry Rice's jockstrap as a receiver or human being. His mouth today proved it.

I can agree with that. Probably not good timing on his part.

(01-29-2013 08:30 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

If being the greatest receiver ever has any affect (sarcasm) on the value of "Rookie Cards", then Randy Moss is full of it. I've got several of his rookie cards I got way back in the day and most aren't worth the paper they're printed on now.

He could have achieved so much more..............

I'd agree that if Jerry Rice isn't the greatest, he's at least in the Top 3.

Well not to go all economics but the value of most cards that came out in the 90s to the present are not worth the value they are printed on because of the market flood during the boom.

Just saying...

(01-29-2013 08:35 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 08:30 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

If being the greatest receiver ever has any affect (sarcasm) on the value of "Rookie Cards", then Randy Moss is full of it. I've got several of his rookie cards I got way back in the day and most aren't worth the paper they're printed on now.

He could have achieved so much more..............

I'd agree that if Jerry Rice isn't the greatest, he's at least in the Top 3.

Well not to go all economics but the value of most cards that came out in the 90s to the present are not worth the value they are printed on because of the market flood during the boom.

Just saying...

Wow, we've devolved into discussions about sports cards. I wish I still had all mine. I wonder what my old Barry Sanders rookie card would be worth these days...sealed in a screw-down plastic case, of course.

Or maybe Randy was asked a question and honestly believes he's the best receiver ever. What's the difference between this and Eli Manning or Joe Flacco's comments that they consider themselves elite QBs in the same group with Brady, Brees, or Peyton? Eli made that comment before his first SB win, Flacco made it last year.

No one has been able to cover Randy Moss since the 2nd grade. Lou Holtz called him the greatest HS player he had ever seen. Bill Belichick called him the smartest receiver he had ever coached and compared his pre snap read ability to Brady's. Before the 1998 draft the Cowboy's scout told Jerry Jones that Moss was the best prospect at any position he had ever seen.

Now fans can debate on whether or not he maximized his potential. Something to consider though, if you want to say he wasted his potential and never met it then basically you are saying he is the greatest ever. For a guy to "be lazy, not play hard, not reach his potential" and still be first or second in almost every major statistical category while mostly paying with 2nd rate QBs just means he had to be immensely better than anyone else, i.e. the GOAT. If you are willing to admit that with a more focused effort he would have been able to beat Rice's records, then you are admitting that he was a better WR than Rice.

Here's one for you, who was a better running back - Bo Jackson or Ben Jarvis Green Ellis? The Law firm has better stats, more yards and more TDs so I guess he is better, right?

(01-29-2013 09:08 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 08:35 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 08:30 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

If being the greatest receiver ever has any affect (sarcasm) on the value of "Rookie Cards", then Randy Moss is full of it. I've got several of his rookie cards I got way back in the day and most aren't worth the paper they're printed on now.

He could have achieved so much more..............

I'd agree that if Jerry Rice isn't the greatest, he's at least in the Top 3.

Well not to go all economics but the value of most cards that came out in the 90s to the present are not worth the value they are printed on because of the market flood during the boom.

Just saying...

Wow, we've devolved into discussions about sports cards. I wish I still had all mine. I wonder what my old Barry Sanders rookie card would be worth these days...sealed in a screw-down plastic case, of course.

Bout 100.00 ungraded.

(01-29-2013 08:35 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 08:30 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

If being the greatest receiver ever has any affect (sarcasm) on the value of "Rookie Cards", then Randy Moss is full of it. I've got several of his rookie cards I got way back in the day and most aren't worth the paper they're printed on now.

He could have achieved so much more..............

I'd agree that if Jerry Rice isn't the greatest, he's at least in the Top 3.

Well not to go all economics but the value of most cards that came out in the 90s to the present are not worth the value they are printed on because of the market flood during the boom.

Just saying...

Kinda true. Cards of guys like Moss, McNabb, Culpepper,etc that came out in the draft in the mid to late 90s and even still today had what I call the initial "shock" value. Meaning they are highly touted coming out, rookie cards are printed in limited amounts (1 of 1000) and the first year, the cards are ridiculously valued because of that. Once the guy is in the league a few years with average to good stats, the values start falling quickly. A few of the exceptions have been guys like Peyton Manning. His card continues to climb in value.

Moss' personal issues and movement around the league really toppled his cards value. His time in Oakland almost made people completely forget about him, although he regained alot back in first couple of years in New England. Still a great receiver though, just not the best ever.

Absolutely no question Jerry Rice was the best EVER. Not even close.

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

I will say that it is extremely hard to rank wide receivers. So much if dependent on their QB. Larry Fitzgerald may be up there with Calvin Johnson as the best in the league right now, but he has been the victim of QB roulette (much less with bad QBs).

I would say it is Rice. Would we be so quick to dismiss Moss if he had played most of his career with Tom Brady (as Rice did with two Hall of Fame QBs)? I don't know.

This guy?

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

I would have agreed that he at least had an argument if he had said, "I really think I'm the most talented receiver to ever play this game." Recalling my religious days, I'm reminded of the parable of the faithful servant and the ultimate admonishment, "...to whom much is given, much will be required."

I'm not picking on Moss personally. But I remember the lesson learned by UAB alum Roddy White after he was drafted 1st RD in '05 by the Falcons. He's only 6' tall, but has 210-lbs on his frame, was a state champion wrestler in high school, and clocked a 4.45 40 at his Combine with everyone having seen his go as low as 4.41 at various tryouts. Even in the NFL he knew there was not a CB in the league that he couldn't out-run, out-muscle, or both. Still, after 2 years in the league, White was on the verge of washing out. Fortunately for him, he realized that it takes catching 500 balls a day every day to have NFL hands, it takes drilling the smallest skills until the brink of madness to execute NFL routes that beat NFL DBs, and it takes countless study of opponents to be able to gather 10+ receptions in an NFL game. All of that, and he's now a 4-time Pro Bowler (should have been a 5th this year), 1-time All-Pro, has more receiving yards than anyone in the NFL from 2007-present, and is considered by everyone to be in at least the Top 10 active WRs with most putting him in the Top 5.

If Moss had experience a similar epiphany and adopted/maintained White's work ethic from his 3rd season on, there is zero doubt in my mind that no record in the NFL record book related to receivers wouldn't have Randy Moss' name. He could have obliterated Jerry Rice's career numbers and set the kind of standards where people talk about some records that will "never be broken." But, as it turned out, he was an excellent WR and a likely Hall of Famer. *golfclap*

(01-30-2013 04:28 AM)blazr Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

I would have agreed that he at least had an argument if he had said, "I really think I'm the most talented receiver to ever play this game." Recalling my religious days, I'm reminded of the parable of the faithful servant and the ultimate admonishment, "...to whom much is given, much will be required."

As an analogy, let's imagine Superman - real name Kal-El - ignored the call to become Superman because it was just too much work. Instead, Kal-El took up Track & Field in his high school days and eventually became a famous sprinter who beat every challenger to come along over a 20-year professional career and broke some World Records but not all of them. Since this is a guy who could outrun a train while yawning, it would be clear to everyone that while he beat everyone that challenged him, if he were motivated to go 100% every day he could have completely annihilated every record in every event to such an extent that his deeds would likely have to have been set aside so the sport could still have breakable records. In this analogy would we call Kal-El the "greatest sprinter to ever compete in track & field"? I wouldn't.

Unbreakable? Ha! The Flash would destroy his records.

(01-30-2013 04:46 AM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 04:28 AM)blazr Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

I would have agreed that he at least had an argument if he had said, "I really think I'm the most talented receiver to ever play this game." Recalling my religious days, I'm reminded of the parable of the faithful servant and the ultimate admonishment, "...to whom much is given, much will be required."

As an analogy, let's imagine Superman - real name Kal-El - ignored the call to become Superman because it was just too much work. Instead, Kal-El took up Track & Field in his high school days and eventually became a famous sprinter who beat every challenger to come along over a 20-year professional career and broke some World Records but not all of them. Since this is a guy who could outrun a train while yawning, it would be clear to everyone that while he beat everyone that challenged him, if he were motivated to go 100% every day he could have completely annihilated every record in every event to such an extent that his deeds would likely have to have been set aside so the sport could still have breakable records. In this analogy would we call Kal-El the "greatest sprinter to ever compete in track & field"? I wouldn't.

Unbreakable? Ha! The Flash would destroy his records.

LOL...I am glad you quote my post. After I added the info about Roddy White, the Kal-El analogy was overkill...but I still think it's apt.

Why was Randy one of the 14 49ers with a podium for media - maybe the NFL was looking for something colorful from a guy who doesn't talk very often with the media. And Ray Lewis says, "Thank you, Randy - have some deer antler!"

(01-29-2013 06:32 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 04:14 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  "I don't really live on numbers, I really live on impact and what youre able to do out on the field. I really think I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."-- Randy Moss

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/sto...-ever-play


Anyone agree with Moss? I have to go with former 49er Jerry Rice myself.

It's definitely Jerry Rice.

I think Calvin Johnson has a chance to go down as one of the greatest to ever play the game. Larry Fitzgerald is a victim of circumstances right now, but with a QB his stats can still get way up there. Another guy who has put up huge numbers pretty quietly is Andre Johnson. If he didn't have so many injuries, he might have 13,000 in ten seasons. As it is, he's over 11,000 and might get to 20,000 in his career. Calvin Johnson is on pace to get very close to Rice's yardage mark. He is also in the ball park on receptions. The one thing these guys aren't doing is catching TD's at the rate Rice did. That record seems ridiculously tough to touch. One thing about Rice, A. Johnson, and Fitz is they don't fumble much. C. Johnson is a little more careless with the ball.(more fumbles lost than Fitz and A. Johnson combined)

Until we see one of these guys close in on Rice, there is no argument. Randy Moss was a freak of nature at his best, and a piss poor teammate at his worst. He put up tremendous numbers, but it's very difficult to even begin to argue he was better than Rice.

Well with the rule changes that benefit passing and recieving that were instituted a 3 years ago or so its kind of a joke to compare stats put up recently to anything that's been done. Drew Brees, Calvin Johnson all are a joke. Talented yes but nothing compared to those that came before them and actually had to work for their yards. A. Peterson and his rushing yards is the only record (almost) that's admirable. The rest were hand delivered on a silver platter.

Did you really just call Drew Brees and Calvin Johnson a joke? You can say that their stats are inflated somewhat, but a joke? You lose all credibility for saying something so dumb.

Have you seen the measurables on Calvin Johnson? By all accounts, he has a great work ethic. Plus, he has had Jon Kitna, Shaun Hill, and Dan Orlovsky throwing to him for large amounts of time. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature, and he is going to go down as one of the best to ever play the game if he is healthy. Teams are doing the same things to him that they were doing to Moss when he was with the Patriots, and he isn't getting covered either.

And Drew Brees won a damn Super Bowl over Peyton Manning.

There is only one joke around here, and it isn't either of those guys.

(01-29-2013 07:03 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  I don't think moss is the greatest receiver ever. But I the he was/is the best deep threat playmaker. Everyone knows what being mossed or mossing someone means, but I've never heard of a corner gettin riced.

That must be a WV/ Marshall thing becuase I never heard of that.

Thats like the bammers saying "he got Sabaned" after somene loss to saban and got fired. Never hear that expressing anywhere else, and I travel around alot.