I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.

When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.

A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office."

Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.

Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.

Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.

I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

paragraphed

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

Write this in stone.

(01-23-2013 12:51 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

Write this in stone.

In paragraphs...

Well said. Of course there are some on here that believe JP should've learned to accommodate Jelan Kendrick ... just sayin'

Folks may have some issues with JP relative to basketball (I'm not one of those) but, no one can truly have a problem with his ideas about character ... unless of course, the naysayers don't value it at all due to their own shortcomings ...

I agree! Pastner let it be known that he is the HWGIC

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

(01-23-2013 01:19 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

Seems to be 2 stories floating around...one that he refused to play and one that he was "sulking" on the bench. From what Coach has said about it, seems like it's the latter.

We won!

(01-23-2013 01:22 PM)missjtiger Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 01:19 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

Seems to be 2 stories floating around...one that he refused to play and one that he was "sulking" on the bench. From what Coach has said about it, seems like it's the latter.

Dave W. said he was slow to get up off the bench and his body language was very poor. Pastner said he didn't have to baby sit so sit back down.

We shall see

Good point, olegus.

That was going through my mind last night about 10 minutes into the game. Tulane was adding to their lead, MEMPHIS was playing poorly, and the crowd was listless. My friend wondered why Tarik wasn't being sent in and I reminded him of the Harvard game problem and subsequent apology by Black. We agreed that if Tulane hit 67% of their shots fo the whole game, MEMPHIS would lose regardless.

But the TIGERS fought back, cut the lead to 6 by half, and assumed control with much better intensity and interior presence in the 2nd half. As Pastner noted in the post game, the crowd was very much into the game in the 2nd half. It should be that way all the time but that is another thread.

Should the game have been that hard? No. But when one inside threat is benched for a half and the other gets two quick fouls and has to sit....those things happen. Those who pointed out this type of game was needed by the TIGERS are right. Tight, come from behind games will help this team get better. I suspect a couple of road games will be just like last night, but literally down to the wire.

But yes....Pastner was definitely making a statement in the 1st half to the entire team.

(01-23-2013 12:55 PM)mem-x Wrote:  Well said. Of course there are some on here that believe JP should've learned to accommodate Jelan Kendrick ... just sayin'

Folks may have some issues with JP relative to basketball (I'm not one of those) but, no one can truly have a problem with his ideas about character ... unless of course, the naysayers don't value it at all due to their own shortcomings ...

People say he's too soft, too hard on players, not demonstrative enough, too demonstrative, he's too positive, he needs to curse, he's this, he's that..blah blah blah. He does make mistakes, he is still learning/growing into the job but to nitpick the team/staff to death is sooooooo old.

(01-23-2013 12:50 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.

When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.

A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office."

Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.

Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.

Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.

I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

paragraphed

I have not seen this subject aDressed here as I wish to adDress it...if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event...When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team...Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction...I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach...A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor...The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before...The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect..."...I don't give a damn what you do.....You quit...now get out of my office...." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship....Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans...nor the players...nor hanger oners...or anyone else but he and he alone...A giant step was taken in that direction last evening...It was not about a half of basketball...of a game of basketball or even a season...In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge....Not for just a half or a game or even a season...but from now on...Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner....Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy...the rest of the team included....He demonstrated his value to the team last evening...I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half....I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future....Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same.......I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers....See you there......Go Tigers....

Teh WorlD IS ours Memphis....

Tigerscaned...

(01-23-2013 01:19 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

That would be the same links previously given in response to your same question in another thread.

And, those links refer to interviews with Josh.

That's about as credible as you are going to find.

(01-23-2013 03:51 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 01:19 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

That would be the same links previously given in response to your same question in another thread.

And, those links refer to interviews with Josh.

That's about as credible as you are going to find.

None of those links said anything about Black refusing to enter the game. There is a big difference between a player sulking on the bench and refusing to play for his team. I am calling BS on this story.

(01-23-2013 02:54 PM)T1G3R Wrote:  I have not seen this subject aDressed here as I wish to adDress it...if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event...When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team...Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction...I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach...A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor...The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before...The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect..."...I don't give a damn what you do.....You quit...now get out of my office...." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship....Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans...nor the players...nor hanger oners...or anyone else but he and he alone...A giant step was taken in that direction last evening...It was not about a half of basketball...of a game of basketball or even a season...In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge....Not for just a half or a game or even a season...but from now on...Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner....Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy...the rest of the team included....He demonstrated his value to the team last evening...I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half....I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future....Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same.......I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers....See you there......Go Tigers....

Teh WorlD IS ours Memphis....

Tigerscaned...

Why would you even bother to do this?

(01-23-2013 12:46 PM)olegus Wrote:  I have not seen this subject adressed here as I wish to adress it, if it has and I missed it then somoone can just say Pope" but please read on in either event.
When I read that Tarik had refused to re-enter the Harvard game in the second half my first thoughts were that Coach Pastner should dismiss him from the team. Looking back I am thinking that maybe that was just a knee-jerk reaction. I was reminded of an incident that happened at Tennessee when Kevin O' Neil had just become coach.A player got angry in practice and walked off the floor. The next day the player appeared at the coaches office before practice and asked what he must do to atone for his actions the day before. The story goes that Coach O'Niel said something to the effect. " I don't give a damn what you do. You quit , now get out of my office." Whether that was the right or wrong thing to do I leave for others to debate, but I can assure you that no one else left practice that year and there was no question as to who was in charge of the ship.
Coach Pastner had to establish that he and only he is in charge of the ship. Not the fans , nor the players ,nor hanger oners, or anyone else but he and he alone. A giant step was taken in that direction last evening. It was not about a half of basketball,of a game of basketball or even a season. In my opinion it was about Coach Pastner showing everyone involved that he is in charge. Not for just a half or a game or even a season, but from now on.
Coach Pastner handled a bad situation in a skillful manner. Tarik is now back as part of the team and everyone seems happy, the rest of the team included. He demonstrated his value to the team last evening. I am not sure we could have won with out him in the second half.
I don't think that Tarik or anyone else will refuse re-entry in the future. Josh Pastner has affirmed himself as our coach and I give him my full support for what ever little that is worth and ask the rest of you to do the same. I will be there Saturday to offer that support and to cheer for the Tigers . See you there . Go Tigers.

+2 even w/o the paragraphs

(01-23-2013 03:58 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 03:51 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 01:19 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

That would be the same links previously given in response to your same question in another thread.

And, those links refer to interviews with Josh.

That's about as credible as you are going to find.

None of those links said anything about Black refusing to enter the game. There is a big difference between a player sulking on the bench and refusing to play for his team. I am calling BS on this story.

Either way, he didn't go in did he, didn't even get up when he was called on the first time. Was 1/2 a game suspension what Pastner had on mind, or did he put him in so the consequences of his actions not hurt the team? Half a game seemed a little short after keeping him out an entire game for walking out of practice, which to me, isn't as big of a deal as not going into the game when called upon.
Either way it was a good test for our team. Someone mentioned it's hard to come into our house and take that kind of lead in that short of a period of time, which is true, seeing as Louisville couldn't do it during their visit and the rankings show how good they are!

Good Win!!
GO TIGERS GO!!!

(01-23-2013 03:58 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 03:51 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-23-2013 01:19 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Is there a credible link that says Tarik Black refused to enter the Harvard game?

That would be the same links previously given in response to your same question in another thread.

And, those links refer to interviews with Josh.

That's about as credible as you are going to find.

None of those links said anything about Black refusing to enter the game. There is a big difference between a player sulking on the bench and refusing to play for his team. I am calling BS on this story.

And?