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I don't think we were getting any of those guys anyway. And he hasn't gutted our recruiting class either which is nice.

He's handled this about as well as anybody could handle leaving. All class.

I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

Here we go again........

We ARE getting four star recruits. They just don't have four stars next to their names on the recruiting sites.

As of Scouts info-

NIU Offers

2013 out to Morgan Park’s Khairi Bailey,

2014 out to both Enoch Smith Jr, and Clayton Thorson

Of these 3, 2 are listed as med interest level in NIU, one as low.

(12-18-2012 04:08 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  We ARE getting four star recruits. They just don't have four stars next to their names on the recruiting sites.

+100

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

Do you think Boise state got 4* recruits in their rise? Let start getting 3* guys consistantly first b4 we start wondering why 4* guys are shunning us...

Hopefully Carey and his yet to be officially named recruiting coordinator are already on this.

Do you think Boise state got 4* recruits in their rise? Let start getting 3* guys consistantly first b4 we start wondering why 4* guys are shunning us...
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I believe they did get a few. After the game against Oklahoma they got allot more interest.

(12-18-2012 04:31 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Do you think Boise state got 4* recruits in their rise? Let start getting 3* guys consistantly first b4 we start wondering why 4* guys are shunning us...

I believe they did get a few. After the game against Oklahoma they got allot more interest.
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As will happen with us should we beat Florida State.

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

What are you missing?

We do not have a strong fan base or a big time television contract. If you were a four star recruit, all else being equal. would you rather play before a crowd of 14,000 people or a crowd of 40,000 to 60,000 people? Would you rather play on weekday nights on ESPN3 or on Saturdays on ESPN or network television.

NIU has done an outstanding job with what we have to work with. The decade of sustained excellence in the face of coaching turnover, AD turnover and given the nature of our program and our conference is remarkable. We should be proud of our accomplishments and proud of the student athletes that have played for the Huskies. And we should do whatever we can to build our fan base so we can take the next step.

(12-18-2012 04:42 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

What are you missing?

We do not have a strong fan base or a big time television contract. If you were a four star recruit, all else being equal. would you rather play before a crowd of 14,000 people or a crowd of 40,000 to 60,000 people? Would you rather play on weekday nights on ESPN3 or on Saturdays on ESPN or network television.

NIU has done an outstanding job with what we have to work with. The decade of sustained excellence in the face of coaching turnover, AD turnover and given the nature of our program and our conference is remarkable. We should be proud of our accomplishments and proud of the student athletes that have played for the Huskies. And we should do whatever we can to build our fan base so we can take the next step.

+1000

However , a 4 star recruit would get allot more playing time for NIU then for a stellar school with a whole stable of them. I wish they would realize that.

Those 2 FSU supporters on this board are stating we cannot match there strength or speed of their OL or DL. I hope they are surprised.

There's a lot of reasons we don't consistently get "rated" 3 and 4 star players. All of bikechuck's reason's plus playing for NIU and in the MAC still has the stigma of lower class status attached. That should change with a good showing in the Orange bowl. What would help would be a "name" recruit from Chicago area playing for us to break the ice and send a signal that it's okay to go to NIU. Sort of like Ponsetto/Aguirre/Cummings were for DePaul. Three-peating and then four-peating would be icing on the cake.

(12-18-2012 04:31 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Do you think Boise state got 4* recruits in their rise? Let start getting 3* guys consistantly first b4 we start wondering why 4* guys are shunning us...

I believe they did get a few. After the game against Oklahoma they got allot more interest.
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Based on Scout's rankings of Boise State's recruting classes from 2002-2012 they got a total of six 4* players...there 2007 class was a great one when you look at the names playing in the NFL and Kellen Moore was the only 4* in that class...

http://boisestate.scout.com/a.z?s=336&p=9&c=8&yr=2007

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

The star system is garbage....Jamal Womble..4*...

Trying to predict how a kid adapts to a new system(some aren't smart enough to learn a new playbook), new challenges(college, drinking, etc) is impossible..

After that compare facilities of NIU to any SEC school, Big 12 school...Our additions are nice but the SEC had this stuff 10 years ago..

Boise St, TCU, NIU, etc win by bringing in workhorses who were over looked for some reason(almost like the A's and moneyball)...until you have the history, facilities, etc to compete for the bigger names..

Jordan Lynch ran the split back veer offense in high school..not exactly what you are looking for in qb.. but he was a gym rat who wanted to get better and spent 2+ years working on throwing the ball better..

Chadd Spann didn't even get offered a scholarship, he turned out pretty good.

(12-18-2012 04:51 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 04:42 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

What are you missing?

We do not have a strong fan base or a big time television contract. If you were a four star recruit, all else being equal. would you rather play before a crowd of 14,000 people or a crowd of 40,000 to 60,000 people? Would you rather play on weekday nights on ESPN3 or on Saturdays on ESPN or network television.

NIU has done an outstanding job with what we have to work with. The decade of sustained excellence in the face of coaching turnover, AD turnover and given the nature of our program and our conference is remarkable. We should be proud of our accomplishments and proud of the student athletes that have played for the Huskies. And we should do whatever we can to build our fan base so we can take the next step.

+1000

However , a 4 star recruit would get allot more playing time for NIU then for a stellar school with a whole stable of them. I wish they would realize that.

Those 2 FSU supporters on this board are stating we cannot match there strength or speed of their OL or DL. I hope they are surprised.

4* recruits want to play in the NFL, they see tv network deals and exposure to pro scouts...too bad most of them will be going pro is something besides football(per the NCAA, mostly likely crime/deal drugs,etc)

(12-18-2012 04:23 PM)JCCNIU31 Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  I agree with "7" Doeren handled this with class. He is only doing his job.

Please enlighten me. Who were some of the Doeren recruits in those two years? How have they contributed to NIU's success.
Have any changed their minds since he left.

It might be that too many members of this board believe that winning a MAC title and beating Toledo makes for a perfect season and that recruiting is secondary.


Given all that, NIU has moved to the pinnacle of it's FB success. THe front porch of NIU is on the National stage like never before.
If we cannot out-recruit the rest of the MAC according to Rivals, something seems wrong. Very wrong?

If you are a 4 star recruit and accept an NIU FB scholarship you will likely get National attention, 4 years of playing time more then an elite program will give you, most likely a Bowl game every post season if the last 5 years come into play. A graduation rate which is second in the Nation, join over a dozen NIU NFL players. National attention and as a good a chance as most schools to make the NFL.

We have beaten ranked teams on Nationally televised games. Been nationally ranked in 2003 for 7 weeks, again in 2010 and 2012.

What is stopping NIU from getting 4 star recruits?
Why are we not able to recruit the speed and size of the top 10 programs?

Why can we not get some more NLF future calibre OL & DL line players now?
Why can we not even get a top 5 MAC RB?

What am I missing?

Do you think Boise state got 4* recruits in their rise? Let start getting 3* guys consistantly first b4 we start wondering why 4* guys are shunning us...

Boise still doesn't get 4* recruits and that hasn't stopped them from winning and it won't stop NIU either

(12-18-2012 04:01 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  +1000

However , a 4 star recruit would get allot more playing time for NIU then for a stellar school with a whole stable of them. I wish they would realize that.

Those 2 FSU supporters on this board are stating we cannot match there strength or speed of their OL or DL. I hope they are surprised.

I do not think we we will be surprised and I believe that Werner was actually a 3* recruit...however there are 2 5* recruits on the line as well. The LOS will not be a battle won by NIU. It will be scheming against a superior OL and DL for FSU...which can happen. NCSU totally took our DL advantage away.

I would imagine NIU coaches are studying that game film quite a bit.