(12-05-2012 10:34 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:27 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 09:36 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 09:22 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Meh - if he wanted to coach for Colorado he would have accepted the job and called it a day. The fact that he is still hanging out means he isn't gung ho about leaving for Colorado.

If he wants MAJOR promises from UC and the BOT regarding salary, facilities etc - it is critical they think he has already accepted another offer and is packing his bags to leave.

Personally I don't think he isn't struggling too much with this. If UC comes to him with $$$ and a serious building plan, he would rather stay.

Why?

1. He could have accepted and resigned already. If he really wanted the Colorado job he would have done that cleanly, yesterday.

2. Colorado is a half step above "shi**y job" and couldn't be a worse fit forhim. Going there makes zero sense.

IMO Jones is hoping to get what he wants out of UC. What that means and whether or not he gets UC to give it s another story.

I think this is spot on. Just can't figure out why there'd be a two going on three day delay in simply accepting and going to CU. makes no sense. Only logical conclusion is he'd prefer to stay here if certain conditions are met and he's waiting to see if that does.

I'm with you guys on this (certainly compared to most of the over-the-top reactions populating this board.)

Some say history repeats itself. I see elements of the original Huggins (Heat?) situation where his head might be telling him to jump while his heart says stay.

Towards your posts, I also see elements of pre-ND BK situation (and I wouldn't be shocked if BK gave him some tips per the talk out of Colorado). I think BK figured out pretty quickly that this BOT is not in the habit of coming up with an big vision and executing to it. Left to their own devices we'll still be debating what to do with Nippert 10 years from now. Nor is it in the habit of rewarding the loyal soldier (look at Mick). They will only act when their back is against the wall and the only way to do that is to let them know you aren't afraid to go to the market if they don't. And you have to be prepared to follow through if they don't. And tomorrow is put up or shut up time for UC (as much if not more about facilities than salary) and thus Butch...

Right on the money

No vision, just put a band aid on it strategy

Adding seats to Nippert is another band aid though. Not a long term solution. We have another 10 years as winning program we will have higher demand, still need bigger stadium, and be $70million poorer.

Need to lock up a coach and address a 50 year solution to stadium and arena

I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

(12-05-2012 10:40 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:34 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:27 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 09:36 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 09:22 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Meh - if he wanted to coach for Colorado he would have accepted the job and called it a day. The fact that he is still hanging out means he isn't gung ho about leaving for Colorado.

If he wants MAJOR promises from UC and the BOT regarding salary, facilities etc - it is critical they think he has already accepted another offer and is packing his bags to leave.

Personally I don't think he isn't struggling too much with this. If UC comes to him with $$$ and a serious building plan, he would rather stay.

Why?

1. He could have accepted and resigned already. If he really wanted the Colorado job he would have done that cleanly, yesterday.

2. Colorado is a half step above "shi**y job" and couldn't be a worse fit forhim. Going there makes zero sense.

IMO Jones is hoping to get what he wants out of UC. What that means and whether or not he gets UC to give it s another story.

I think this is spot on. Just can't figure out why there'd be a two going on three day delay in simply accepting and going to CU. makes no sense. Only logical conclusion is he'd prefer to stay here if certain conditions are met and he's waiting to see if that does.

I'm with you guys on this (certainly compared to most of the over-the-top reactions populating this board.)

Some say history repeats itself. I see elements of the original Huggins (Heat?) situation where his head might be telling him to jump while his heart says stay.

Towards your posts, I also see elements of pre-ND BK situation (and I wouldn't be shocked if BK gave him some tips per the talk out of Colorado). I think BK figured out pretty quickly that this BOT is not in the habit of coming up with an big vision and executing to it. Left to their own devices we'll still be debating what to do with Nippert 10 years from now. Nor is it in the habit of rewarding the loyal soldier (look at Mick). They will only act when their back is against the wall and the only way to do that is to let them know you aren't afraid to go to the market if they don't. And you have to be prepared to follow through if they don't. And tomorrow is put up or shut up time for UC (as much if not more about facilities than salary) and thus Butch...

Right on the money

No vision, just put a band aid on it strategy

Adding seats to Nippert is another band aid though. Not a long term solution. We have another 10 years as winning program we will have higher demand, still need bigger stadium, and be $70million poorer.

Need to lock up a coach and address a 50 year solution to stadium and arena

I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

It's been explored, and explored, and explorer again, and again. Everyone tells them ten same thing. Limited additions can be made and its expensive due to infrastructure and footprint limitations. We are trying to fit a square peg in round hole.

Unfortunately we have also painted ourself in a corner with facilities. We built VV around two out of date facilities and no don't have the room to address those facilities.

(12-05-2012 10:47 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:40 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:34 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:27 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 09:36 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  I think this is spot on. Just can't figure out why there'd be a two going on three day delay in simply accepting and going to CU. makes no sense. Only logical conclusion is he'd prefer to stay here if certain conditions are met and he's waiting to see if that does.

I'm with you guys on this (certainly compared to most of the over-the-top reactions populating this board.)

Some say history repeats itself. I see elements of the original Huggins (Heat?) situation where his head might be telling him to jump while his heart says stay.

Towards your posts, I also see elements of pre-ND BK situation (and I wouldn't be shocked if BK gave him some tips per the talk out of Colorado). I think BK figured out pretty quickly that this BOT is not in the habit of coming up with an big vision and executing to it. Left to their own devices we'll still be debating what to do with Nippert 10 years from now. Nor is it in the habit of rewarding the loyal soldier (look at Mick). They will only act when their back is against the wall and the only way to do that is to let them know you aren't afraid to go to the market if they don't. And you have to be prepared to follow through if they don't. And tomorrow is put up or shut up time for UC (as much if not more about facilities than salary) and thus Butch...

Right on the money

No vision, just put a band aid on it strategy

Adding seats to Nippert is another band aid though. Not a long term solution. We have another 10 years as winning program we will have higher demand, still need bigger stadium, and be $70million poorer.

Need to lock up a coach and address a 50 year solution to stadium and arena

I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

It's been explored, and explored, and explorer again, and again. Everyone tells them ten same thing. Limited additions can be made and its expensive due to infrastructure and footprint limitations. We are trying to fit a square peg in round hole.

If you've got the results of those studies, I'd love to see them. Without seeing the results of exploration and cost estimates I don't understand how anyone can be for or against anything (especially with such adamant authority). I need data first.

I'm not in Cincy so if anyone can post updates of what Butch says on the news I would appreciate it.

(12-05-2012 10:58 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:47 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:40 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:34 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:27 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm with you guys on this (certainly compared to most of the over-the-top reactions populating this board.)

Some say history repeats itself. I see elements of the original Huggins (Heat?) situation where his head might be telling him to jump while his heart says stay.

Towards your posts, I also see elements of pre-ND BK situation (and I wouldn't be shocked if BK gave him some tips per the talk out of Colorado). I think BK figured out pretty quickly that this BOT is not in the habit of coming up with an big vision and executing to it. Left to their own devices we'll still be debating what to do with Nippert 10 years from now. Nor is it in the habit of rewarding the loyal soldier (look at Mick). They will only act when their back is against the wall and the only way to do that is to let them know you aren't afraid to go to the market if they don't. And you have to be prepared to follow through if they don't. And tomorrow is put up or shut up time for UC (as much if not more about facilities than salary) and thus Butch...

Right on the money

No vision, just put a band aid on it strategy

Adding seats to Nippert is another band aid though. Not a long term solution. We have another 10 years as winning program we will have higher demand, still need bigger stadium, and be $70million poorer.

Need to lock up a coach and address a 50 year solution to stadium and arena

I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

It's been explored, and explored, and explorer again, and again. Everyone tells them ten same thing. Limited additions can be made and its expensive due to infrastructure and footprint limitations. We are trying to fit a square peg in round hole.

If you've got the results of those studies, I'd love to see them. Without seeing the results of exploration and cost estimates I don't understand how anyone can be for or against anything (especially with such adamant authority). I need data first.

Who needs another study, we are boxed in like a turtle's pecker !!

(12-05-2012 10:58 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:47 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:40 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:34 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:27 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm with you guys on this (certainly compared to most of the over-the-top reactions populating this board.)

Some say history repeats itself. I see elements of the original Huggins (Heat?) situation where his head might be telling him to jump while his heart says stay.

Towards your posts, I also see elements of pre-ND BK situation (and I wouldn't be shocked if BK gave him some tips per the talk out of Colorado). I think BK figured out pretty quickly that this BOT is not in the habit of coming up with an big vision and executing to it. Left to their own devices we'll still be debating what to do with Nippert 10 years from now. Nor is it in the habit of rewarding the loyal soldier (look at Mick). They will only act when their back is against the wall and the only way to do that is to let them know you aren't afraid to go to the market if they don't. And you have to be prepared to follow through if they don't. And tomorrow is put up or shut up time for UC (as much if not more about facilities than salary) and thus Butch...

Right on the money

No vision, just put a band aid on it strategy

Adding seats to Nippert is another band aid though. Not a long term solution. We have another 10 years as winning program we will have higher demand, still need bigger stadium, and be $70million poorer.

Need to lock up a coach and address a 50 year solution to stadium and arena

I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

It's been explored, and explored, and explorer again, and again. Everyone tells them ten same thing. Limited additions can be made and its expensive due to infrastructure and footprint limitations. We are trying to fit a square peg in round hole.

If you've got the results of those studies, I'd love to see them. Without seeing the results of exploration and cost estimates I don't understand how anyone can be for or against anything (especially with such adamant authority). I need data first.

I'm sure we all would. Been talking about it for 4 years. We didn't see anything about varsity village until it was planned. Anyone wish a practice field was worked in? Think it would have cost $15mill. NOPE. Will be having same conversations in future wishing we would have thought bigger and more long term. And if we are not then it will be because we don't continue to win. However you plan to win, plan to grow, and plan to succeed.

(12-05-2012 07:08 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Jones confirmed that he had met with UC athletic director Whit Babcock before leaving for Charlotte but said the meeting was not about his discussions with Colorado. That was just catching up,” Jones said. “He’s been out of town in New York City. We always do that. We would have been in there even if there was nothing going on.”

Asked if UC had made a counter proposal, Jones said, “They’re working on it. They’ll do the appropriate thing. I’m not trying to play one side against the other. That has nothing to do with it.”
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All you have to look at this quote to the complete BS he's trying to spin. Are you kidding me? Him an 'ol Whit just catching up...not talking about the CU job?

Butchy: Hey Whit how was NYC? Did you see the Rockettes or Mike Aresco while you were there?
Whit: It was great Butch. The "New Big East" is gonna be great!! We saw all the plans for Tulane's new on-campus stadium by the way. Come to think of it....are they looking for a coach or AD?


I'm sorry. Maybe I'd lose my house, but this seems to be completely about him being able to tell the team "first", so his own self-centered image bubble isn't burst.....it's beyond ridiculous.

And if is true...Babcock should be blasted for sitting around wasting time. With all this 50/50 drama, he should be busting his tail out there working the phones and screening interest in other candidates. The NC State AD said today that the "pool of quality coaches is very shallow this year"...which why they moved so fast to get the Northern Illinois coach on board. Instead of "catching up" w/ our current 1/2 coach.........he better be playing big time talent recruiter and putting the contigency options in place. Babcock is young and very inexperienced...........between the conference stuff and this, does anyone else fear the guy is in way over his head?

(12-05-2012 11:04 PM)chip Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:58 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:47 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:40 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:34 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  Right on the money

No vision, just put a band aid on it strategy

Adding seats to Nippert is another band aid though. Not a long term solution. We have another 10 years as winning program we will have higher demand, still need bigger stadium, and be $70million poorer.

Need to lock up a coach and address a 50 year solution to stadium and arena

I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

It's been explored, and explored, and explorer again, and again. Everyone tells them ten same thing. Limited additions can be made and its expensive due to infrastructure and footprint limitations. We are trying to fit a square peg in round hole.

If you've got the results of those studies, I'd love to see them. Without seeing the results of exploration and cost estimates I don't understand how anyone can be for or against anything (especially with such adamant authority). I need data first.

Who needs another study, we are boxed in like a turtle's pecker !!

Hahahaha. That about sums it up. Give this man $50,000 for stating the obvious.

(12-05-2012 11:11 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  I'm sure we all would. Been talking about it for 4 years. We didn't see anything about varsity village until it was planned. Anyone wish a practice field was worked in? Think it would have cost $15mill. NOPE. Will be having same conversations in future wishing we would have thought bigger and more long term. And if we are not then it will be because we don't continue to win. However you plan to win, plan to grow, and plan to succeed.

Review the actual data and then make a prompt rational decision. Hasty, poor decisions are part of our problem, not our solution.

(12-05-2012 11:13 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 11:04 PM)chip Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:58 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:47 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 10:40 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm afraid we're not completely aligned. I'm open to plans and ideas about Nippert. I definitely think they needed to be explored in conjunction with the availability of PBS. Hopefully that's been appropriately done and we are about to make decisions one way or the other. Hard for me to give a recommendation without knowing options and costs though.

(sorry about my edits/deletes/formatting if I am causing anyone confusion)

It's been explored, and explored, and explorer again, and again. Everyone tells them ten same thing. Limited additions can be made and its expensive due to infrastructure and footprint limitations. We are trying to fit a square peg in round hole.

If you've got the results of those studies, I'd love to see them. Without seeing the results of exploration and cost estimates I don't understand how anyone can be for or against anything (especially with such adamant authority). I need data first.

Who needs another study, we are boxed in like a turtle's pecker !!

Hahahaha. That about sums it up. Give this man $50,000 for stating the obvious.

What does any of that have to do with wanting to make a data-based decision rather than based upon corny lines about a turtle's genitals?

So is anyone watching the news?

Just reiterated the stuff we've been hearing.

I love Cincinnati. This effects a lot of people. I needed to do my due diligence. I've been busy all day. Haven't talked to my family in days. There will be a decision tomorrow.

That was pretty much it.

(12-05-2012 11:35 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Just reiterated the stuff we've been hearing.

I love Cincinnati. This effects a lot of people. I needed to do my due diligence. I've been busy all day. Haven't talked to my family in days. There will be a decision tomorrow.

That was pretty much it.

I hate to parse every comment......but think the guy is full of crap.

He spent 6+ hours w/ his wife on Sunday going to Purdue. By all reports he spent 12+ hours with his wife (including 2 2hour plus plane trips w/ just the 2 of them in the plane).....on TUESDAY! That's more time w/ a spouse during a work week than most of us have spent in years!! He's playing the entire town as if he's agonizing over the decision and people are buying it. What..he's letting his kids tell him what to do??? Just go already.

Time for a rescind - I stand corrected, at the moment.

(12-05-2012 11:12 PM)mbl95 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 07:08 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Jones confirmed that he had met with UC athletic director Whit Babcock before leaving for Charlotte but said the meeting was not about his discussions with Colorado. That was just catching up,” Jones said. “He’s been out of town in New York City. We always do that. We would have been in there even if there was nothing going on.”

Asked if UC had made a counter proposal, Jones said, “They’re working on it. They’ll do the appropriate thing. I’m not trying to play one side against the other. That has nothing to do with it.”
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All you have to look at this quote to the complete BS he's trying to spin. Are you kidding me? Him an 'ol Whit just catching up...not talking about the CU job?

Butchy: Hey Whit how was NYC? Did you see the Rockettes or Mike Aresco while you were there?
Whit: It was great Butch. The "New Big East" is gonna be great!! We saw all the plans for Tulane's new on-campus stadium by the way. Come to think of it....are they looking for a coach or AD?


I'm sorry. Maybe I'd lose my house, but this seems to be completely about him being able to tell the team "first", so his own self-centered image bubble isn't burst.....it's beyond ridiculous.

And if is true...Babcock should be blasted for sitting around wasting time. With all this 50/50 drama, he should be busting his tail out there working the phones and screening interest in other candidates. The NC State AD said today that the "pool of quality coaches is very shallow this year"...which why they moved so fast to get the Northern Illinois coach on board. Instead of "catching up" w/ our current 1/2 coach.........he better be playing big time talent recruiter and putting the contigency options in place. Babcock is young and very inexperienced...........between the conference stuff and this, does anyone else fear the guy is in way over his head?

x2

(12-05-2012 11:48 PM)mbl95 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 11:35 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Just reiterated the stuff we've been hearing.

I love Cincinnati. This effects a lot of people. I needed to do my due diligence. I've been busy all day. Haven't talked to my family in days. There will be a decision tomorrow.

That was pretty much it.

I hate to parse every comment......but think the guy is full of crap.

He spent 6+ hours w/ his wife on Sunday going to Purdue. By all reports he spent 12+ hours with his wife (including 2 2hour plus plane trips w/ just the 2 of them in the plane).....on TUESDAY! That's more time w/ a spouse during a work week than most of us have spent in years!! He's playing the entire town as if he's agonizing over the decision and people are buying it. What..he's letting his kids tell him what to do??? Just go already.

Just like they say in North Dallas Forty; Mlb is someone that can see through the game.

Anyone now when this so called press conference is going to be?

(12-06-2012 08:11 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  Anyone now when this so called press conference is going to be?

There is no press conference scheduled, that was false info according to Ken Broo's twitter. There will be a "decison". That's all we know for sure. To me, this pretty much answeres the question. Mostly likely there will be a press conference late today or tomorrow in Colorado. Just conjecture on my part obviously, but I would feel much better if there were a press conference to be scheduled here to announce a contract extension, etc.

(12-06-2012 08:11 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  Anyone now when this so called press conference is going to be?

I dunno, who said what, who was seen talking to who, what have you heard, where is Mrs. Jones today, yada, yada,yada.............
Let's end this crap today one way or another.

The inability to make a decision between 2 options appears to be the first requirement to be Colorado's coach. Meaning he is the perfect fit for them.

No wonder it took so long to bench Munchie -- Butch probably had doubts in week 1 and it took him the rest of the season to make his mind up.