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(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

(11-22-2012 12:50 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Folks, this is the Providence Journal talking, which has a long standing agenda to turn back the clock to the glory days of PC basketball, as if all the catholic schools coudl recreate the 1970's and we'd all be happy playing in places like Alumni Hall and Walsh Gym.

Not happening.

FYI, Kevin McNamara went to Syracuse. The Big East was absolutely Gavitt's idea. Georgetown's coach was a Providence grad and player so they were by default and friendship going to be part of the new league. Syracuse's AD was a college roommate of Gavitt. St John's needed some convincing. BC, UConn and Seton Hall were geographically convenient. Georgetown was a rising team under Friar-grad John Thompson, but hadn't won an NCAA tourney game since 1943. None of this is necessarily relevant to today's issues, except to at least understand the history, especially for our newest members. Also, I've repeated these comments 750 times over the last 3 years.

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year? How many times did you sit there able to single handily count the official attendance? I am a Tigers fan, both basketball and football. But I'm not a naive fan who thinks that Memphis football can one day be on the same level as Tennessee, Texas or Alabama or even Ole Miss for that matter. That is never going to happen. And the sooner Tiger fans realize that the better off they will be.

Tiger on Tiger crime..

Additional general comments:
The A-10 is a very solid league. Probably the top midmajor. But the schools in the A-10 status-wise here in the northeast are across the board below each Big East school in their respective areas, except for Xavier maybe.
The cliches about the "CYO league" or "glorified A-10" are bull**** and useless descriptions. Each of the 7 Catholics have long great histories and are respected in the northeast, even PC which is finally rebuilding.

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

I'll say it one more time:

FOOTBALL DRIVES THE BUS

An all sports conference where the basketball schools control what happens is doomed to die. That's why the Big East is on the slab and that's why the ACC is beginning to crumble. If you only concern yourself with the basketball schools the football schools will leave. The football schools are what make the money in today's world.

(11-22-2012 04:54 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

I'll say it one more time:

FOOTBALL DRIVES THE BUS

An all sports conference where the basketball schools control what happens is doomed to die. That's why the Big East is on the slab and that's why the ACC is beginning to crumble. If you only concern yourself with the basketball schools the football schools will leave. The football schools are what make the money in today's world.

The Big East NEVER had football membership when it was first formed in 1979. What ruined it was turning it into an all sports conference.

Oh and for the record, not everyone in America caters to football. It is driven by rich billionaires and politics. Nothing else drives it. The SEC, Big 12, Big Ten are always going to be the darlings because of their location, South, Midwest and North. Louisville and Memphis have and always will be known as basketball schools, but with promising football programs. It's reality. Deal with it.

(11-22-2012 04:57 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  Oh and for the record, not everyone in America caters to football. It is driven by rich billionaires and politics. Nothing else drives it.

Ah...College Football Regular Season Games are worth millions to networks/advertisers and obviously to teams too.

To think its only Billionaires and Politics as to why REGULAR SEASON College Football Games are worth 20 times more than REGULAR SEASON College Basketball Games...then you just don't understand the basic value of live programming and what many in the nation want to watch. (Hint: there's a reason why 98% of all Hoop $$$ are for just March Madness...because not many nationwide pay that much attention to regular season hoop games...even though 95% of us on this board do).

This may actually turn out for the best. All the former/current Big East schools that play football will probably reunite in the ACC (Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, Boston College, and Pittsburgh), the basketball schools can form their own non football playing league under the Big East banner by adding a few schools like Xavier (), Butler, Dayton, St. Louis, etc and still maintain a very good basketball league without having to deal with cellar dwellers like SMU, UCF and UH dragging down their bball for the sake of football. Everyone is happy.

(11-22-2012 04:57 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:54 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

I'll say it one more time:

FOOTBALL DRIVES THE BUS

An all sports conference where the basketball schools control what happens is doomed to die. That's why the Big East is on the slab and that's why the ACC is beginning to crumble. If you only concern yourself with the basketball schools the football schools will leave. The football schools are what make the money in today's world.

The Big East NEVER had football membership when it was first formed in 1979. What ruined it was turning it into an all sports conference.

Oh and for the record, not everyone in America caters to football. It is driven by rich billionaires and politics. Nothing else drives it. The SEC, Big 12, Big Ten are always going to be the darlings because of their location, South, Midwest and North. Louisville and Memphis have and always will be known as basketball schools, but with promising football programs. It's reality. Deal with it.

Dude, you are delusional! Football is driving all the changes, that plus the greed of those in power.

BE should have done more to hold onto Miami; the ACC had enough foresight to add football schools to improve their profile. While they are still in trouble, they are better off than the BE.

(11-22-2012 06:24 PM)Merrick Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:57 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:54 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

I'll say it one more time:

FOOTBALL DRIVES THE BUS

An all sports conference where the basketball schools control what happens is doomed to die. That's why the Big East is on the slab and that's why the ACC is beginning to crumble. If you only concern yourself with the basketball schools the football schools will leave. The football schools are what make the money in today's world.

The Big East NEVER had football membership when it was first formed in 1979. What ruined it was turning it into an all sports conference.

Oh and for the record, not everyone in America caters to football. It is driven by rich billionaires and politics. Nothing else drives it. The SEC, Big 12, Big Ten are always going to be the darlings because of their location, South, Midwest and North. Louisville and Memphis have and always will be known as basketball schools, but with promising football programs. It's reality. Deal with it.

Dude, you are delusional! Football is driving all the changes, that plus the greed of those in power.

BE should have done more to hold onto Miami; the ACC had enough foresight to add football schools to improve their profile. While they are still in trouble, they are better off than the BE.

Did I say football wasn't driving the changes? No I did not. i simply said that IF the Big East dissolves of football that Memphis would look to join an all basketball conference. People need to stop jumping to conclusions.

(11-22-2012 12:50 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Folks, this is the Providence Journal talking, which has a long standing agenda to turn back the clock to the glory days of PC basketball, as if all the catholic schools coudl recreate the 1970's and we'd all be happy playing in places like Alumni Hall and Walsh Gym.

Not happening.

I don't think so either. Suppose the tectonic plates shift to the point where multiple schools leave. It's better to wait until all the exit fees are collected than to dissolve it now

Who knows, though... there is the 1% chance the whole thing stops at UL/UConn to the ACC.

Too many people in panic mode, imo.

I don't see the BB schools splitting off. I don't think there is some secret deal between ESPN and the BB schools (ala the MWC/WAC "airport meeting") that is trying to lure them into dissolving the BE. That would create a rainmaker of a lawsuit or suits.

This is an interesting time, but the ball is firmly with the ACC and the conferences in talks with their schools. And the PAC has been eerily silent. If the other conferences were to suddenly want to get to 16 teams each (which would be kinda dumb, for scheduling), then what would the PAC do?

Nah, I think this is more spin and hype. I'll wait and see what happens. But what I think will happen is a little movement - one more BE team to the ACC to fill the hole, and the BE back-filling from the MWC and/or C-USA. And then it stops.

The lesson of what happened with the PAC/B12 tells me the potential complications make massive conference movement unlikely.

the football side should have dissolved when syracuse and pitt left. since this is all about football anyway, losing those two schools was the end of the historical, traditional football legacy. the teams that were coming in to replace them either had no legacy, coming off major changes from the previous year (boise and houston) or had some other disgraceful recent history (temple and smu). none of these moves says anything but being reactionary and staying viable as a conference, especially when there was serious talk about a new system that wouldn't be based on the current bcs system so those numbers for teams would have been irrelevant.

bad leadership by not taking care of football TWICE killed the conference.

The Big East isn't going away. Why would it? As it stands, it's still better than the other "non-Access" leagues AND has MSG AND is on the open market for television with a TV exec at the helm? That offers a lot more potential than any other non-Power 5 league and they can extend the gap by cherry picking "the best of the rest" because they're all in even worse positions. ECU, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech, UNLV, BYU, etc all stand to better their current situations incredibly by joining the Big East.

The basketball schools would also be in a position of influence at this point too, I'd imagine. I think they'd be silly to leave that all behind and split off.

Here's a doomsday scenario:

The ACC takes Louisville, UConn and Cincy.

That leaves 7 basketball schools and USF and maybe (but maybe not) Temple left as voting members until July 1, 2013.

It only takes a 3/4 vote to changes the by-laws. See section 15 of the By-laws.

The basketball schools (controlling 7 of 8 or 7 of 9 votes) could vote to change the by-laws on how schools are kicked out out of the league. And how the league can revoke previous membership offers. Make both a 3/4 vote.

Once the by-laws are amended, they could then vote to kick out/rescind all the new football offers. In this way, they keep the Big East name and don't have to dissolve. They keep all the exit fees from members who voluntarily left. Then negotiate a TV deal for themselves.

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

What "needs of the basketball schools" are you referring too? You do realize that DePaul and Louisville joined the same time (2005) after the first set of defections right? Are you just making stuff up to sound intelligent? Ever since this whole conference realignment thing has been going it's been the basketball schools bending over backwards for the football schools. It's the football schools pointing fingers and then quickly jumping off the ship at the first sight of "land."

Want an example, back in April of 2011 the BE had an option to extend the ESPN contract-BE denied it...want to know which schools rejected it?

In early April when leaders of the Big East were discussing broad outlines of a seven-year extension of the conference’s media deal with ESPN, there was sharp, internal disagreement. Most saw the number — an average of $130 million a year — as a healthy increase that would boost their coffers. A vocal minority, however, saw a TV marketplace ripe for a larger increase.

Presidents from Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rutgers and Seton Hall voted against the deal, sources said. Others, including Pittsburgh and West Virginia, also were vocal skeptics of the deal, preferring to wait and see what the open market would bring once ESPN’s deals ended, following the 2013-14 football season. Still, the presidents voted 12-4 to accept its broad outlines.

Isn't it funny that the schools that voted against it (in bold) were the first to abandon ship at the first opportunity they had.

What's the BBall schools to do? oh you lost some members and want to replenish the ranks? sure go ahead and add some more football schools..oh they are out west? OK that's fine..oh they are really out west? OK whatever. And you say they don't fit academically? Fine just invite them....

Yeah the BBall schools are totally trying to screw the Football schools over (sarcasm intended).

Maybe DePaul should just bolt to a better situation.

(11-22-2012 11:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Maybe DePaul should just bolt to a better situation.

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