(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

I doubt it.... I doubt that NC or Va adds one thing more than Missouri or Kansas.... especially in sports like BB. I know it's all about money, but come on here... too many schools/choices in NC. How many fans can you spread around? The more I think about Helious' theory the more it sounds possible. Will take the massively high up folks to make it happen though. Who knows. I am all in with the SEC now, but I roll with the flow too.

(11-20-2012 10:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:39 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

They really can't hurt themselves and SEC and B1G will probably go to 16 w/ some/all ACC schools, still doesn't change the fact that the ACC will live on and backfill w/ BE schools. Like you've been told they have a tv contract until 2027, BE has nothing and lesser schools.

The poster was saying for SEC to get WV, Baylor, and TCU, and Big Ten to get Missouri and Kansas. That's not happening......

You do understand that the ACC being under lock and key until 2027 is not a good thing at all..... You and others make it sound like that's a great thing. It's not..... ESPN could say ok you guys get 8 million a year and you play mostly weekdays... Meanwhile, if they went Big East, they could get potentially more money, and be able to play on Saturday's. Being on the open market would do that......

then take my bet or you don't even buy the bs you're selling.

Yeah I understand when the BE balks at the ESPN contract, Pitt, Cuse and ND go, then they let it go on the open market and RU and UConn or UL are gone. They never learn, ACC knows how to play ball w/ ESPN and will be alive in some form.

no because I'm posting on here no matter what.......

Do you really think ESPN wanted to lose Maryland? There's been a lot reported this week saying they were caught off guard by this move.... A move that totally unstabilized the ACC. This was not anything done by ESPN or the ACC...... Totally idiotic to say that....

We'll see how unstable the ACC is. If it is very unstable, nothing can be taken as being for sure....

(11-20-2012 10:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

I doubt it.... I doubt that NC or Va adds one thing more than Missouri or Kansas.... especially in sports like BB. I know it's all about money, but come on here... too many schools/choices in NC. How many fans can you spread around? The more I think about Helious' theory the more it sounds possible. Will take the massively high up folks to make it happen though. Who knows. I am all in with the SEC now, but I roll with the flow too.

USAF is a poster I'd love to join the B1G, along with his school of course

(11-20-2012 10:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

I doubt it.... I doubt that NC or Va adds one thing more than Missouri or Kansas.... especially in sports like BB. I know it's all about money, but come on here... too many schools/choices in NC. How many fans can you spread around? The more I think about Helious' theory the more it sounds possible. Will take the massively high up folks to make it happen though. Who knows. I am all in with the SEC now, but I roll with the flow too.

NC and VA add a lot of Big Ten network viewers that Missouri and Kansas wouldn't. The biggest flaw is the SEC. The #1 conference is going to lose Missouri and pick up WV, TCU, and Baylor (when they could pick up VT and NC State?). That's just crazy.

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

This isn't a choice that is up to the Big Ten and the SEC. This choice is up to Notre Dame. The Big Ten moved quickly to pressure the ACC so that Notre Dame does not have as much time to ready their following for complete membership in the ACC.

This isn't the Big Ten and SEC acquiescing. It is them applying more pressure due to the move Notre Dame made. It seems more and more that Notre Dame is a true Independent in regard to the Powers that Be. They deal with Notre Dame because they have to but it doesn't really seem like Notre Dame is playing along with them.

(11-20-2012 10:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

This isn't a choice that is up to the Big Ten and the SEC. This choice is up to Notre Dame. The Big Ten moved quickly to pressure the ACC so that Notre Dame does not have as much time to ready their following for complete membership in the ACC.

This isn't the Big Ten and SEC acquiescing. It is them applying more pressure due to the move Notre Dame made. It seems more and more that Notre Dame is a true Independent in regard to the Powers that Be. They deal with Notre Dame because they have to but it doesn't really seem like Notre Dame is playing along with them.

Notre Dame was never going to be a full member in the ACC.... They didn't have to.... the playoff was not set up in a way for them to be forced to join a conference.....

No pissing fights please, this is conference realignment in college football not WWE

(11-20-2012 10:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

I doubt it.... I doubt that NC or Va adds one thing more than Missouri or Kansas.... especially in sports like BB. I know it's all about money, but come on here... too many schools/choices in NC. How many fans can you spread around? The more I think about Helious' theory the more it sounds possible. Will take the massively high up folks to make it happen though. Who knows. I am all in with the SEC now, but I roll with the flow too.

What they add is households for basic cable. Follow the money

(11-20-2012 06:50 PM)ConanX Wrote:  Well that's $250 million in exit fees right there (including UM). Wake Forest might make out like a bandit if it's the last man standing.....

and one of the schools in America that does not need it. They are filthy rich beyond belief.

It just drives me crazy that folks think that ESPN did this in retaliation for Big East going to the open market. There is no way that ESPN wanted to see the ACC unstable like this. No way at all... How ANYONE could say otherwise is beyond me......

(11-20-2012 10:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 10:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Like the guy that posted that the 50mill and the GoR are false senses of security. If LHN fails, you could see Texahoma in the Pac 16. Then what for FSU, Clemson, Miami and the leftover 6 from the B12?

Texahoma 4 get promises to the PAC

Kansas gets a promise to the Big Ten

Missouri gets brought in with Kansas.

WVU, TCU and Baylor get promises to the SEC.


That is 8 teams and an 80% vote in the Big 12. Goodbye Big 12 due to vote of dissolution.

I don't really see the SEC or Big Ten wanting to give the ACC a break quite frankly.... I mean, for SEC, the money teams for them are VT and NC State.... Not that crap you brought up. Big Ten gets a lot more from UNC and UVA than Missouri and Kansas. Why would SEC and Big Ten hurt themselves?

This isn't a choice that is up to the Big Ten and the SEC. This choice is up to Notre Dame. The Big Ten moved quickly to pressure the ACC so that Notre Dame does not have as much time to ready their following for complete membership in the ACC.

This isn't the Big Ten and SEC acquiescing. It is them applying more pressure due to the move Notre Dame made. It seems more and more that Notre Dame is a true Independent in regard to the Powers that Be. They deal with Notre Dame because they have to but it doesn't really seem like Notre Dame is playing along with them.

Notre Dame was never going to be a full member in the ACC.... They didn't have to.... the playoff was not set up in a way for them to be forced to join a conference.....

If Notre Dame was never going to be a full member of the ACC then there was no reason for them to give up scheduling rights to the ACC. You do realize that such a submission technically makes them no longer Independent?

Notre Dame has already given up their Independence. They are just easing their following into it. Unfortunately the ground underneath their feet has just been collapsed. It's sink or swim time.

I can honestly say that I wouldl totally enjoy seeing the ACC be destroyed. I have had to tolerate it in NC for my entire life. It would thrill me to see it suffer.

(11-20-2012 11:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It just drives me crazy that folks think that ESPN did this in retaliation for Big East going to the open market. There is no way that ESPN wanted to see the ACC unstable like this. No way at all... How ANYONE could say otherwise is beyond me......

You don't think ESPN has it's hand in things? The final decision is up to the ACC, but when espn says we'll open the books for Pitt and Cuse, why would they ignore espn offering more money. They had nothing to do w/ B1G getting Maryland, but they might have a hand in UConn or UL to the ACC.

No way ACC schools defect to the Big East. The Big East is just too watered down at this point.

(11-20-2012 11:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It just drives me crazy that folks think that ESPN did this in retaliation for Big East going to the open market. There is no way that ESPN wanted to see the ACC unstable like this. No way at all... How ANYONE could say otherwise is beyond me......

You don't think ESPN has it's hand in things? The final decision is up to the ACC, but when espn says we'll open the books for Pitt and Cuse, why would they ignore espn offering more money. They had nothing to do w/ B1G getting Maryland, but they might have a hand in UConn or UL to the ACC.

In this scenario, really no. I mean, Maryland goes to the Big Ten. Who else is the ACC going to realistically look at? This scenario is night and day different than Pitt/Cuse. Louisville/UConn would have been the teams that the ACC was looking at regardless....

(11-20-2012 11:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It just drives me crazy that folks think that ESPN did this in retaliation for Big East going to the open market. There is no way that ESPN wanted to see the ACC unstable like this. No way at all... How ANYONE could say otherwise is beyond me......

You don't think ESPN has it's hand in things? The final decision is up to the ACC, but when espn says we'll open the books for Pitt and Cuse, why would they ignore espn offering more money. They had nothing to do w/ B1G getting Maryland, but they might have a hand in UConn or UL to the ACC.

In this scenario, really no. I mean, Maryland goes to the Big Ten. Who else is the ACC going to realistically look at? This scenario is night and day different than Pitt/Cuse. Louisville/UConn would have been the teams that the ACC was looking at regardless....

So then you agree they had a hand in the Pitt/Cuse. I still say they'll have one in UL vs. UConn, even if it's just the ACC asking if one or the other is worth more to the network.

(11-20-2012 11:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It just drives me crazy that folks think that ESPN did this in retaliation for Big East going to the open market. There is no way that ESPN wanted to see the ACC unstable like this. No way at all... How ANYONE could say otherwise is beyond me......

You don't think ESPN has it's hand in things? The final decision is up to the ACC, but when espn says we'll open the books for Pitt and Cuse, why would they ignore espn offering more money. They had nothing to do w/ B1G getting Maryland, but they might have a hand in UConn or UL to the ACC.

In this scenario, really no. I mean, Maryland goes to the Big Ten. Who else is the ACC going to realistically look at? This scenario is night and day different than Pitt/Cuse. Louisville/UConn would have been the teams that the ACC was looking at regardless....

Could be hoping B1G officials are looking at Pitt for some odd reason to add so ACC can go back to 12 Fball members.

(11-20-2012 07:26 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yes, that's true and I hate all of them for it.

Back OT..... Think about it like this...

UNC (don't buy GT would beat them to the punch) & UVA to the B10 makes sense b/c their the academic public elites of their respective states. B10 is the academic elite that has an Eastern footprint.

NCSU & VT are the landgrant / engineering / AG schools that have... how can I put this(?)..... more of a blue collar fanbase. They're a perfect fit for the SEC as much as it pains me to say that. I actually don't have an issue with NCSU or VT, in fact I can relate to their fans in a lot of ways.

UVA / VT are rivals. UNC / NCSU are rivals. Big10 / SEC are rivals with Eastern footprints. It all makes sense now.

Blue collar? Really? Come on.

(11-20-2012 11:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It just drives me crazy that folks think that ESPN did this in retaliation for Big East going to the open market. There is no way that ESPN wanted to see the ACC unstable like this. No way at all... How ANYONE could say otherwise is beyond me......

You don't think ESPN has it's hand in things? The final decision is up to the ACC, but when espn says we'll open the books for Pitt and Cuse, why would they ignore espn offering more money. They had nothing to do w/ B1G getting Maryland, but they might have a hand in UConn or UL to the ACC.

In this scenario, really no. I mean, Maryland goes to the Big Ten. Who else is the ACC going to realistically look at? This scenario is night and day different than Pitt/Cuse. Louisville/UConn would have been the teams that the ACC was looking at regardless....

So then you agree they had a hand in the Pitt/Cuse. I still say they'll have one in UL vs. UConn, even if it's just the ACC asking if one or the other is worth more to the network.

I think it's a lot different- just because I think the factors in the decision run a lot deeper than money on this one. The fb teams like Clemson/FSU/etc. don't want another yankee basketball team thrust upon them.

(11-20-2012 07:20 PM)stAtecamera13 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 07:11 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 06:47 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Found this post on the MWC Board:

"Ian Fitzsimmons (guy who got TAMU to SEC before anyone else) today said on ESPN radio that his source at SEC offices stated that the Big Ten is moving on Virginia and Georgia Tech next. That the SEC is planning on adding VaTech and NC State. Meanwhile, Florida State and Clemson are waiting to hear from the Big 12 but no contact has been made between the parties. Take it for whatever its worth to you."

The new BE has already become the old C-USA, so next step is will the new ACC become the new BE? So does the newer BE then become the newer C-USA? Which then pulls from the newer Sunbelt to become the newest C-USA? Nevermind, I need a drink...

there comes a time when C-USA is no longer a step up. that time is when ECU moves to the big east. then the power is gone. and something more regional like the MAC and SBC and MWC raid it. effectively dissolving C-USA

Wishful thinking. Try when ECU, Marshall, UAB, USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UTEP and Rice have left (even if the Sun Belt and MAC are stronger in football this year even with-or because-Memphis, UCF, UH and SMU are still there).