Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children

Just a warning, don't eat before you read it.

Quote:It's not easy to listen to Terry talk about the time he had sex with a seven-year-old girl. But after his psychotherapist put us in touch, he agreed to lay it all out for me during a phone call and email, and I was enthralled the way one might stare at a man falling from a bridge. Terry is 38, a small-business owner, and deeply religious—he ends all our correspondence by saying, "Blessings to you, Cord"—but back then when it happened Terry was 20 and a meth head. He was living with his then-wife, his marriage to whom had made him the co-guardian of her two nieces and a nephew. The one niece was a baby, but the other was seven, and it wasn't long before Terry, addicted and in a marriage he calls "abusive," fell for his niece and began a sexual relationship with her.

Quote:The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they're also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he'd embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles. As a self-professed "progressive," when I think of the world I'd like to live in, I like to imagine that one day I'd be OK with a man like Terry moving next door to me and my children.

Absolutely repugnant.

Hey, all of us prefer different things. Some of us like blondes, big knobs, big butts, older women, Asian women, whatever. So I can almost understand how the occasional oddball comes around and likes something outside the white lines; statistically, it's bound to happen. But the idea has to be all about self control. I can easily cheat on my wife with a younger, better looking babe but I don't because it would be wrong plus their are families involved who would all be impacted. People diddling 7 year olds have to know it's wrong and just cave in to their desires. It's this lack of will power, lack of respect for the child and what happens afterward, and lack of overall decency that makes me mad.

So let this guy and Terry live next door to each other along with all their other progressive friends........as long as it's on an island far off into the ocean.

Naturally, the libs on this board will hammer me.

Push for acceptance of one deviant perversion and a logical progression follows.

Quote:The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks.

Speaking of "weakest", who the hell is looking out for the seven year old, assshole?

Guys, this guy was born like this. How can you say it's wrong when God created him? They should be able to get married and ...

Nevermind, that's gays. Different somehow.

(09-08-2012 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey, all of us prefer different things. ...

So let this guy and Terry live next door to each other along with all their other progressive friends........as long as it's on an island far off into the ocean.

I'd like to shoot Terry and this progressive author. I'm guessing that's ok then to.

(09-08-2012 05:01 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey, all of us prefer different things. ...

So let this guy and Terry live next door to each other along with all their other progressive friends........as long as it's on an island far off into the ocean.

I'd like to shoot Terry and this progressive author. I'm guessing that's ok then to.

Exactly.

Though we really need RedwingRobert here to tell us how Terry never said what he's quoted as saying.

The moral standard bar continues to be lowered by the Progressive infestation in American. Obviously there are also people born attracted to animals so that will be defended soon.

Quote:Van Gjiseghem says what he and his colleagues mean by sexual orientation is a person's inborn and unalterable sexual preference, irrespective of whether that preference is harmful to others or not. . . .

"Viewing pedophilia as a sexual orientation would suggest that treatment is more likely to be effective if it focuses on self-regulation skills (in order to effectively manage pedophilic urges, thoughts, etc.) than on trying to change sexual preferences." . . .

There are among us men who live their whole lives wanting to have sex with children but never doing it. America might have more of these men if we eased our taboos on anyone even admitting an attraction to kids. Consider that in Germany there is Prevention Project Dunkelfeld, an organization that, like a suicide hotline, offers free counseling to anyone struggling with thoughts of molesting a child. . . .

If we can get pedophiles to begin acknowledging their dangerous desires, experts like Dawn Horwitz-Person, a psychotherapist in Chico, California, who specializes in treating sex offenders, believes we can help pedophiles "learn how to manage their desires the way alcoholics do."

Where is the author defending practicing pedophiles? It seems like his focus is much more on recognizing that there is evidence that there are men who will always be solely attracted to children (I have no idea if that's true) and preventing them from actually molesting children. Seems like a worthy goal to me.

(09-08-2012 06:57 PM)jh Wrote:  Where is the author defending practicing pedophiles? It seems like his focus is much more on recognizing that there is evidence that there are men who will always be solely attracted to children (I have no idea if that's true) and preventing them from actually molesting children. Seems like a worthy goal to me.

Frankly, I don't disagree.

My problem was with this clown's reference to "the weakest among us".

If this is a legitimate condition (and I will continue to think of it as a "condition" rather than an orientation), then by all means, let's have a dialogue about what people who have these urges can/should do to keep them from harming a child.

Fact is, anyone who has those urges and has the will to not act on them deserves a gold star.

It's a miserable way to live, to be sure, and I certainly wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

Having said all that, let's just be damn clear on not losing sight of the fact that if there are "victims" here, it's the children being molested by adults.

(09-08-2012 07:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Having said all that, let's just be damn clear on not losing sight of the fact that if there are "victims" here, it's the children being molested by adults.

Exactly.

(09-08-2012 07:20 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 07:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Having said all that, let's just be damn clear on not losing sight of the fact that if there are "victims" here, it's the children being molested by adults.

Exactly.

Yes. That's exactly why you posted the thread and chose to post the most inflamatory passages (that don't actually involve depictions of sex with a child). And that's why you titled it "Progressives Begin New Crusade - Defense of Pedophiles." Because of the children.

(09-08-2012 08:10 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 07:20 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 07:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Having said all that, let's just be damn clear on not losing sight of the fact that if there are "victims" here, it's the children being molested by adults.

Exactly.

Yes. That's exactly why you posted the thread and chose to post the most inflamatory passages (that don't actually involve depictions of sex with a child). And that's why you titled it "Progressives Begin New Crusade - Defense of Pedophiles." Because of the children.

No. I posted it because progressives love to find victims in the most ruthless of people. Terrorists, terrorist nations and now pedophiles. Poor victims can't find a place to live because of databases they have to register with. The horror of people not wanting these poor folks living next door to them.

Then there is this gem:

Quote:And if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that also means it's futile to send pedophiles to prison in an effort to alter their attractions. Doing so is akin to sending a homosexual child off to a religious-based institution that claims it can "pray the gay away."

Isn't it liberals that get so completely offended at comparisons of homosexuals to pedophiles? Yet this doctor makes the comparison with seemingly no second thought about it. Homosexual behavior has been pretty much mainstreamed in today's society. Much of it because of the belief that it's an orientation that is with them from birth. This doctor is advancing the same foundation with pedophiles. This article could have come right out of a NAMBLA brochure.

Here's another good one.

Quote:Imagine a world in which admitting your attraction to busty women or tall men led to alienation, jail time, or your murder. Older gay men can probably remember such an era, but nowadays most sexual appetites have been mainstreamed to the point of banality. Pedophiles, for obvious reasons, don't enjoy the same kind of tolerance, and thus it seems as if they may be locked forever in a sexual prison from the moment they're born.

There's the favorite liberal buzz word, "tolerance."

Advancing the idea that pedophilia is an orientation is the first step of attempting to legitimize it. It's the disease that comes from the moral relativism embraced by today's liberals.

In order to tolerate a pedophile's actions you have to be OK with a kid getting molested. Is that where we're heading next?

(09-08-2012 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Then there is this gem:

Quote:And if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that also means it's futile to send pedophiles to prison in an effort to alter their attractions. Doing so is akin to sending a homosexual child off to a religious-based institution that claims it can "pray the gay away."

Isn't it liberals that get so completely offended at comparisons of homosexuals to pedophiles? Yet this doctor makes the comparison with seemingly no second thought about it. Homosexual behavior has been pretty much mainstreamed in today's society. Much of it because of the belief that it's an orientation that is with them from birth. This doctor is advancing the same foundation with pedophiles. This article could have come right out of a NAMBLA brochure.

Only if you didn't actually read the article. Unless, of course, you just didn't understand it.

I find it more than a little sad that you appear to care more about scoring points against progressives than preventing children from being molested.

(09-08-2012 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  In order to tolerate a pedophile's actions you have to be OK with a kid getting molested. Is that where we're heading next?

The next phase would be arguing that it's not actually molestation. Just the consensual act of two loving people. That's what NAMBLA puts out in the their propaganda. In this article Terry states that the little girl he was pursuing willingly came to him.

I don't believe the next step is saying it's ok for a pedophile to force themselves on a child. It's to say if the child consents then it's ok.

(09-08-2012 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  In order to tolerate a pedophile's actions you have to be OK with a kid getting molested. Is that where we're heading next?

Where in the article does it suggest that child molestation should be tolerated? Somehow NinerFan1 managed to avoid highlighting "for obvious reasons" in the quote. I'm sure that was just an oversight.

(09-08-2012 08:41 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Then there is this gem:

Quote:And if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that also means it's futile to send pedophiles to prison in an effort to alter their attractions. Doing so is akin to sending a homosexual child off to a religious-based institution that claims it can "pray the gay away."

Isn't it liberals that get so completely offended at comparisons of homosexuals to pedophiles? Yet this doctor makes the comparison with seemingly no second thought about it. Homosexual behavior has been pretty much mainstreamed in today's society. Much of it because of the belief that it's an orientation that is with them from birth. This doctor is advancing the same foundation with pedophiles. This article could have come right out of a NAMBLA brochure.

Only if you didn't actually read the article. Unless, of course, you just didn't understand it.

I find it more than a little sad that you appear to care more about scoring points against progressives than preventing children from being molested.

I find it a little more than sad you appear to care more about twisting my words than preventing children from being molested.

This article is attempting to bring legitimacy to the idea pedophilia is an orientation. Doing that makes it more dangerous for children, not less. You don't see anything wrong with legitimizing that behavior. Therefore you want more kids molested. Why do you want kids molested?

See how easy that was?

(09-08-2012 08:44 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  In order to tolerate a pedophile's actions you have to be OK with a kid getting molested. Is that where we're heading next?

Where in the article does it suggest that child molestation should be tolerated? Somehow NinerFan1 managed to avoid highlighting "for obvious reasons" in the quote. I'm sure that was just an oversight.

I only read about half of the article, but the title "Born this way" suggests we're penalizing or discriminating against something a person can't help. It's the same defense gays use. Should we also apply it to serial murderers?

The fact is, a pedophile can't what he wants without committing a crime. Period.

(09-08-2012 08:51 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 08:44 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  In order to tolerate a pedophile's actions you have to be OK with a kid getting molested. Is that where we're heading next?

Where in the article does it suggest that child molestation should be tolerated? Somehow NinerFan1 managed to avoid highlighting "for obvious reasons" in the quote. I'm sure that was just an oversight.

I only read about half of the article, but the title "Born this way" suggests we're penalizing or discriminating against something a person can't help. It's the same defense gays use. Should we also apply it to serial murderers?
The fact is, a pedophile can't what he wants without committing a crime. Period.

You should read the rest of the article because that's not what it is saying. The article draws a distinction between pedophiles and child molesters. A true pedophile is solely attracted to children and according to the article most are born that way. They are a pedophile even if they never act on their desires and molest a child.

You are right, a pedophile can't satisfy his sexual desires without breaking the law and hurting someone else (that's the big difference between pedophelia and homosexuality). That's why the article talks about working with pedophiles before they act to give them tools to help them resist their urges. It's suggesting that new approaches might be needed to reduce child molestation.