(06-28-2012 05:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Johnson pulls enough votes to impact the result, and if those people vote for republican senate and congressional candidates down-ballot (as I would expect about 97% of them to do), then that's probably a result we can live with.

Plus libertarians will be established as a force whose wishes must be considered. That's actually pretty good. It's probably the only way we're ever going to break the demopublican monopoly.

While I agree with your post, the problem for libertarians at least now is that until they have enough of their people in offices down ballot, a libertarian has no coalition with which to govern, were they to win the Presidential election. The dems won't go along and the GOP doesn't play nice with libertarians.

So the process may need more time before they can force a choice between a rigged two party system and a third player.

Agreed. Neither in the 2 party rigged system will "play" in the sandbox with the 3rd party.

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

The enormity of this governmental power grab is completely lost on you, isn't it?

(06-29-2012 09:04 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 05:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 03:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Johnson pulls enough votes to impact the result, and if those people vote for republican senate and congressional candidates down-ballot (as I would expect about 97% of them to do), then that's probably a result we can live with.

Plus libertarians will be established as a force whose wishes must be considered. That's actually pretty good. It's probably the only way we're ever going to break the demopublican monopoly.

While I agree with your post, the problem for libertarians at least now is that until they have enough of their people in offices down ballot, a libertarian has no coalition with which to govern, were they to win the Presidential election. The dems won't go along and the GOP doesn't play nice with libertarians.

So the process may need more time before they can force a choice between a rigged two party system and a third player.

Agreed. Neither in the 2 party rigged system will "play" in the sandbox with the 3rd party.

I believe that Americans are more in line with Libertarian thought than they know. They are just so entrenched in gang war that they never stop and explore it. Sad... really that people are so "team" oriented.

(06-29-2012 09:37 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

The enormity of this governmental power grab is completely lost on you, isn't it?

Most everything is lost on Robert........he likes all this redistribution stuff because he doesn't make enough to have to pay for any of it. It's easy to want "free stuff" when it's other peoples money.

(06-29-2012 09:37 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

The enormity of this governmental power grab is completely lost on you, isn't it?

No...He is a sheep. He loves to be lead around and told what to do.

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

I'm to the left of Obama on that test, you retarded chimp.

(06-29-2012 09:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:37 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

The enormity of this governmental power grab is completely lost on you, isn't it?

No...He is a sheep. He loves to be lead around and told what to do.

Well, he hasn't been too successful making the decisions on his own, now has he?

(06-29-2012 09:42 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

I'm to the left of Obama on that test, you retarded chimp.

Hey...Go easy on the monkeys!

(06-29-2012 09:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:42 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

I'm to the left of Obama on that test, you retarded chimp.

Hey...Go easy on the monkeys!

Chimp ain't a monkey.

(06-29-2012 09:45 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:42 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Any little test that has Obama to the right is illegitimate as hell, GTS.

Or it shows just how far right YOU are?

I'm to the left of Obama on that test, you retarded chimp.

Hey...Go easy on the monkeys!

Chimp ain't a monkey.

Then go easy on the Chimps!

what a fun quiz! i always wondered where my beliefs fell. i'm kind of a mutt when it comes to identifying my political persuasion. some of the questions challenged my thoughts. had to look up exactly what "protectionism" was.

(06-29-2012 10:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  what a fun quiz! i always wondered where my beliefs fell. i'm kind of a mutt when it comes to identifying my political persuasion. some of the questions challenged my thoughts. had to look up exactly what "protectionism" was.

Flip it over vertically, and that's me... somehow to the left of Obama, LOL.

Thought this was important:

Quote: A Word about Neo-cons and Neo-libs
U.S. neo-conservatives, with their commitment to high military spending and the global assertion of national values, tend to be more authoritarian than hard right. By contrast, neo-liberals, opposed to such moral leadership and, more especially, the ensuing demands on the tax payer, belong to a further right but less authoritarian region. Paradoxically, the "free market", in neo-con parlance, also allows for the large-scale subsidy of the military-industrial complex, a considerable degree of corporate welfare, and protectionism when deemed in the national interest. These are viewed by neo-libs as impediments to the unfettered market forces that they champion.

Do you guys want to know where I ended up on this little chart?

(06-29-2012 11:40 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Do you guys want to know where I ended up on this little chart?

ohhh! a game, yay!!

sorry, i was high a minute ago

(06-29-2012 12:04 PM)Lush Wrote:  sorry, i was high a minute ago

I was actually going to ask if you had been drinking but apparently, you were high not drunk.

I know you guys are interested despite not commenting so here it is


Guess that didn't work. So I will just give the link

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printabl...&soc=-2.97

I see I am a little left of Mr. Venezuela(though considerably more libertarian) and pretty close to Ghandi (just a little more left)

(06-29-2012 12:08 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I know you guys are interested despite not commenting so here it is


Guess that didn't work. So I will just give the link

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printabl...&soc=-2.97

I see I am a little left of Mr. Venezuela(though considerably more libertarian) and pretty close to Ghandi (just a little more left)

You obviously weren't being honest if you scored more libertarian than authoritarian. Did you just guess C on everything?

(06-29-2012 10:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  what a fun quiz! i always wondered where my beliefs fell. i'm kind of a mutt when it comes to identifying my political persuasion. some of the questions challenged my thoughts. had to look up exactly what "protectionism" was.

Pretty much exactly where I was.