(02-24-2012 09:27 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 02:54 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  If UB gets hockey going it would be cool to have a MAC hockey cup trophy with BG, WMU, MU, UB, and UMass similar to the Big 5 for Philly basketball

You cant possibly compare that to the Big 5...

What's the Big 5, sounds regionally interesting and of zero importance otherwise.

Having said that, seriously, what is it?

A sporting goods store. Either that, personality traits or large game animals in Africa, according to Google at least.

(02-24-2012 08:25 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  What's the Big 5? (ducking).

Just kidding, JHG, but outside of very serious college hoops fans you'd be hard-pressed to find midwesterners that know about the Big 5, just like people in Philly aren't familar with BGSU, BSU and many other MAC schools.

Considering UD and X are in the A10, I imagine plenty of people in the midwest know about the Big 5. You dont have to be a very serious college basketball fan to know about the Big 5.

Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Maybe for someone that has lived their whole life in and around Philly. I couldn't name any schools other than Nova, Drexel, and Temple.

(02-24-2012 01:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 01:08 PM)TUJim Wrote:  Fair enough but that is really the only time frame where you can say the schedules were comparable with regards to playing a full MAC schedule.

(02-24-2012 11:54 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:56 AM)TUJim Wrote:  Can't argue with not winning a MAC conference championship but for all the bluster let's compare NIU's records while Temple was a full football member, 2007 on. Regular season NIU (35-25) Temple (34-26) NIU does have 1 MAC Championship in that time and 2-2 in bowls, with Temple no MACs 1-1 in bowls.....not a huge difference

(02-24-2012 08:43 AM)BobL Wrote:  http://www.presnapread.com/temple-can-in...more-33968

Temple, despite its recent climb, was unable to achieve several noteworthy achievements as a member of the MAC. That includes never winning any conference hardware of any kind, whether on a conference-wide or divisional level. In addition, the Owls never beat a MAC opponent with a record greater than .500.


Good riddance

I know you picked 2007 because of when Temple joined, but that's the worst possible time period for NIU since 2007 was the 1 bad year NIU had in the past decade.

No, not really in 2006 you played *6* MAC teams.. Even from 2007 on there is a huge difference in the conference strength of NIU's schedule

CMU Dynasty, BSU Blip, and the Toledo resurgance..

And Temple's

UB Blip, OU...

Toledo resurgence? In that time frame (since 2006) UT is 3-3 against NIU and 2-4 against WMU.
By the way, NIU is only 3-3 against WMU during that same time period.

Looking at those stats, I must say that NIU has only been mediocre during the Temple in the MAC era.

By the way, Temple is 0-7 against WMU

(02-24-2012 09:27 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 02:54 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  If UB gets hockey going it would be cool to have a MAC hockey cup trophy with BG, WMU, MU, UB, and UMass similar to the Big 5 for Philly basketball

You cant possibly compare that to the Big 5...

What's the Big 5, sounds regionally interesting and of zero importance otherwise.

Having said that, seriously, what is it?

I have heard of the Big 5.
That is what my mother told me I was when I went to Kindergarten.

(02-24-2012 10:59 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Maybe for someone that has lived their whole life in and around Philly. I couldn't name any schools other than Nova, Drexel, and Temple.

I doubt you could name anyone playing for CMU.

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Nope. People DON'T know about rivalries around the country unless they're OSU-UM, UA-Auburn, USC-Notre Dame. People don't know about OU--Miami or BG-UT except locally. Quick- who is UNLV's chief rival? Yeah, me either. How about Oral Roberts' or Minnesota's? Yeah, I didn't think so. So unless you're a big time athletic program which none of the Big Five are, people don't know about the rivalry except locally.

By the way I got Temple, Villanova and LaSalle without help. Now I know Drexel (Drexel?). I'm gonna look up the other.

(02-25-2012 07:18 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Nope. People DON'T know about rivalries around the country unless they're OSU-UM, UA-Auburn, USC-Notre Dame. People don't know about OU--Miami or BG-UT except locally. Quick- who is UNLV's chief rival? Yeah, me either. How about Oral Roberts' or Minnesota's? Yeah, I didn't think so. So unless you're a big time athletic program which none of the Big Five are, people don't know about the rivalry except locally.

By the way I got Temple, Villanova and LaSalle without help. Now I know Drexel (Drexel?). I'm gonna look up the other.

St. Joes?

BTW, is Drexel one of the Big 5? What about Penn?

Seriously the "Big 5" is far too much a local interest (in a big market mind you but still a "local" thing). As I said upstate NY no idea about it and that is not that far away. Perhaps major basketball fans know it but we the casual fan nope not really. This is one of those it is big here so you think it is big everywhere sort of things sort of like I say soda in my part of NY and I thought it was used everywhere up north. See my surprise when I get to Ohio and they say pop. You just don't know how regional something is until you leave the region and talk to the common people.

Big 5 is indeed local but probably older college basketball fans would be familiar with it.

Philly was the citadel of college hoops.

(02-25-2012 07:29 AM)emu steve Wrote:  By the way I got Temple, Villanova and LaSalle without help. Now I know Drexel (Drexel?). I'm gonna look up the other.

St. Joes?

BTW, is Drexel one of the Big 5? What about Penn?
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OK, I like those two- kinda like the Big Ten-there's really six in the Big Five. And none of them are big.

(02-24-2012 09:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 08:25 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  What's the Big 5? (ducking).

Just kidding, JHG, but outside of very serious college hoops fans you'd be hard-pressed to find midwesterners that know about the Big 5, just like people in Philly aren't familar with BGSU, BSU and many other MAC schools.

Considering UD and X are in the A10, I imagine plenty of people in the midwest know about the Big 5. You dont have to be a very serious college basketball fan to know about the Big 5.

What are we talking about here??
I jumped into the end of this thread on Temple to Big East but the conversation seems to be about a "Big 5"??
What is this?

No Drexel! Big 5's greatest years were from its inception until the early 1980's... Not the same since, but are back to playing each other ever year, but no longer at the Palestra unless it is a Penn home game, but use to be great in it heyday... the school colored streamers the fan's throw for the first basket was a fun thing...


A FAMILY OF PHILADELPHIA RIVALS

The official announcement of the formation of the Big 5 was made by University of Pennsylvania president Dr. Gaylord Harnwell at Penn's Houston Hall on November 23, 1954.

The Big 5 was touted as a chance for Philadelphia to present the best basketball it had to offer with the schools sharing the profits evenly after Penn was paid for the Palestra's upkeep. The formation of the Big 5 was conceived by Penn athletic director Jerry Ford. Penn sports information director Bob Paul and the Quaker's business manager John Rossiter worked to put the round-robin format together. The other athletic directors who worked together to form the Big 5 were LaSalle's Jim Henry, St. Joseph's George Bertelsman, Temple's Josh Cody and Villanova's Ambrose (Bud) Dudley.


big 5

Regards to the Temple exit fee, prefer some of the money is used to pay each teams MAC dues for two years, 2.6 M.

The exit fee will be more than the 2.5 M with 2 years notice and remember UMass paid a 500k entrance fee so the MAC office will have cash for Bowling.

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Until this thread I have never heard of the phrase "The Big 5".

(02-25-2012 10:52 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Until this thread I have never heard of the phrase "The Big 5".

ditto that.

(02-25-2012 11:12 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 10:52 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Until this thread I have never heard of the phrase "The Big 5".

ditto that.

Are you serious?

Everyone that follows college basketball knows about the Big 5.

(02-25-2012 11:35 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 11:12 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 10:52 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of all the people who call themselves college basketball fans outside of Philadelphia, and though some fans could tell you it's a Philadelphia thing, I bet less than 5% could name the Big 5. I used to live in Philly. It's big locally, but why would anyone in any other region of the country know about it?

The same reason people know about other rivalries around the country?

Until this thread I have never heard of the phrase "The Big 5".

ditto that.

Are you serious?

Everyone that follows college basketball knows about the Big 5.

Ah! That's the problem. I flip past college basketball just as fast as OWN.