(02-15-2012 10:45 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  If they are trying to convince Temple to come in all sports could it be Xavier? Xavier, UMass and Charlotte would be a lot of Temple's A10 friends.

I think this is a possibility. Make staying in the MAC and A10 as unattractive as possible.

(02-15-2012 10:42 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 10:33 PM)pirateradio97 Wrote:  If its for TV Market..Its Akron

Why would you pick Akron over Toledo?

Toledo DMA is close to 1 million and I don't think Akron has even half of that population. They are rolled up under the Cleveland DMA but still.

I suppose Akron might be more valuable that Toledo if you are looking at basketball as a criteria. It would be a nice break for MAC football if Akron hit the road, the worst performing school for several years running.

Cleveland-Akron 1,524,000
Toledo 426,000

TV Households according to Nielsen

Now if it BBall only..Its Xavier..Cincy Market against the Big East in BBall

Akron would be a HORRIBLE addition even considering their market.

(02-15-2012 10:45 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  If they are trying to convince Temple to come in all sports could it be Xavier? Xavier, UMass and Charlotte would be a lot of Temple's A10 friends.

If they're trying to get Temple, then yes, Xavier moves up the chart fast...

Where is the mystery Ohio school rumor originating? I missed the source of this.

(02-15-2012 10:43 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 10:36 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I'll be honest, I'm LEANING toward Toledo.. but I'd need to know which part of the sports-discussion they're coming in for?

I'd assume all. Toledo would be best all things considered. Good market and good programs overall. Ohio has solid athletics but no market, they actually share the Marshall market.

Yes and Ohio and Marshall already play each other as a non-conference series in football. Its a good rivalry but can exist outside of the same conference.

If you want to give Marshall additional travel help Toledo would be the way to do it.

(02-15-2012 10:48 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Akron would be a HORRIBLE addition even considering their market.

I agree..But See SMU, San Diego St. and Houston...Its about the Tv Dollar and if we can add the #17 TV Market they will do it..plus..New Stadium..Terry Bowden...They can play all of this

I'm stuck in the Toledo area so they are my choice for obvious reasons. I'll get to see more Herd games if that scenario plays out.

(02-15-2012 10:50 PM)pirateradio97 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 10:48 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Akron would be a HORRIBLE addition even considering their market.

I agree..But See SMU, San Diego St. and Houston...Its about the Tv Dollar and if we can add the #17 TV Market they will do it..plus..New Stadium..Terry Bowden...They can play all of this

No thanks. They've shown no dedication whatsoever. There's a sliding scale here between market and success. Sure Akron has a bigger market but they also have practically zero success on the field. Consistently one of the worst performers in the MAC in the major sports. ONE BOWL GAME. ALL. TIME.

Let's say Temple declines the offer

And CUSA picks up UTSA, Akron, and UNT all of a sudden CUSAMWC seems like a lot smaller step up from WAC/MAC/Sunbelt than it is currently.

If The Merger does this correctly they can end the WAC, cripple the MAC, and Sunbelt still won't be much of a factor

for once you're making sense observer1. If we're going to poach the MAC and Sunbelt take the best overall, consistent programs that are at least in a decent market. Don't just grab the best market at the expense of taking a horrible program.

(02-15-2012 11:05 PM)Observer1 Wrote:  Let's say Temple declines the offer

And CUSA picks up UTSA, Akron, and UNT all of a sudden CUSAMWC seems like a lot smaller step up from WAC/MAC/Sunbelt than it is currently.

If The Merger does this correctly they can end the WAC, cripple the MAC, and Sunbelt still won't be much of a factor

if you wanted to go to 24 and neuter the other NAQs:

MAC: Toledo, Ohio, & NIU
WAC: LT, USU
SBC: MTSU, FIU, UNT/ASU

Ohio

I'll take they all suck and that state is dying for 1000, Alex.

(02-15-2012 10:46 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 10:43 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 10:36 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I'll be honest, I'm LEANING toward Toledo.. but I'd need to know which part of the sports-discussion they're coming in for?

I'd assume all.

if that's the case, I'm DEFINITELY leaning Toledo.. Akron is arguably the WORST football team in the NCAA's at this level. So they wouldn't be even a consideration to me...

1. Toledo (all-sports) 2. Miami (OH). (probably my top pick if FB only) 3. Dayton (Basketball only )and then the rest.

Yes, Akron's a better basketball team.. but market wise, Akron is it's own "subdivision" of Cincinnati.. so that cancels out the Cleveland vs. Toledo arguement (as I see it.. don't shoot me, it's just an opinion!)

The Big East did take Memphis so bad decisions do happen.

(02-15-2012 11:05 PM)Observer1 Wrote:  Let's say Temple declines the offer

And CUSA picks up UTSA, Akron, and UNT all of a sudden CUSAMWC seems like a lot smaller step up from WAC/MAC/Sunbelt than it is currently.

If The Merger does this correctly they can end the WAC, cripple the MAC, and Sunbelt still won't be much of a factor

So the plan is to cripple the MAC by taking Akron?



Go ahead and take Akron. The MAC will respond by adding James Madison and come out a better football conference than before.

I don't see why we need to neuter the MAC or sunbelt. They aren't passing us up and provide teams we can play ooc.

(02-15-2012 11:12 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  for once you're making sense observer1. If we're going to poach the MAC and Sunbelt take the best overall, consistent programs that are at least in a decent market. Don't just grab the best market at the expense of taking a horrible program.

Alright, while im hot... If they do extend the league to 24 taking the best couple from each of the remaining AQ conferences then what needs to happen is the Alliance should get an auto birth for their champion, which would effectively move WAC/MAC/Sunbelt to I-A 1/2. Which I can see the majority of the left over schools being fine with since, they will still be able to make an impact in their "specialty" sports with the Auto NCAA Bids. (ULL baseball, NMSU basketball, etc.)

(02-15-2012 11:24 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:05 PM)Observer1 Wrote:  Let's say Temple declines the offer

And CUSA picks up UTSA, Akron, and UNT all of a sudden CUSAMWC seems like a lot smaller step up from WAC/MAC/Sunbelt than it is currently.

If The Merger does this correctly they can end the WAC, cripple the MAC, and Sunbelt still won't be much of a factor

So the plan is to cripple the MAC by taking Akron?



Go ahead and take Akron. The MAC will respond by adding James Madison and come out a better football conference than before.

No the plan is to make the MAC an inferior conference by taking Temple, NIU, Ohio/Toledo