If we can get him healthy, he could be the dominent player in the league. His upside is unlimited.

(02-12-2012 11:42 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  If we can get him healthy, he could be the dominent player in the league. His upside is unlimited.

I guess that's assuming that Tony Mitchell is a one and done, and goes to the NBA.

Health may be the main issue.

Right now he can't create his own shot, so i think this boils down to pg play.

(02-13-2012 07:28 AM)insideualr Wrote:  Right now he can't create his own shot, so i think this boils down to pg play.

He is a shooter, and not a slasher. True, he doesn't create his own shot by driving by quicker defenders, but with his size they don't match up with him, and he can shoot over many who guard him. He also has the size and shot to post up inside. Will is too thin to bang inside, and they need to get him out of there as soon as possible, and I think he will play the 3 next year. Can't you see it now, the Trojans starting three 6'10" guys. Probably unheard of in the Belt for sure.

Reading a post on the ASU board, the poster said something like this. That Will reminded him a little of Larry Bird. Will can shoot the perimeter shot and can post up inside and hit the turn around jumper. I hadn't thought of him like that, but yes, Bird did those things.

(02-13-2012 10:18 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 07:28 AM)insideualr Wrote:  Right now he can't create his own shot, so i think this boils down to pg play.

He is a shooter, and not a slasher.

He can't create off the dribble, true, but that little step-back fall-away jumper is going to be awfully hard to defend if he can hit it consistently. Jabbar didn't create his own shots on the sky hook, but you couldn't defend them.

(02-13-2012 10:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 10:18 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 07:28 AM)insideualr Wrote:  Right now he can't create his own shot, so i think this boils down to pg play.

He is a shooter, and not a slasher.

He can't create off the dribble, true, but that little step-back fall-away jumper is going to be awfully hard to defend if he can hit it consistently. Jabbar didn't create his own shots on the sky hook, but you couldn't defend them.

Not sure "what creating you own shot means", but his turn-around, fall-away jumper sure looks like a created shot to me. Not many on our level can do that.

In answer to your main question: about as good as he wants to be and can get healthy enough to be. Certainly no reason why he won't be First Team SBC.

Create you own shot, means you get the ball and create a shot. The post up game and his outside game both require a pg to get him the ball.

Solo could create a shot.

(02-13-2012 06:47 PM)insideualr Wrote:  Create you own shot, means you get the ball and create a shot. The post up game and his outside game both require a pg to get him the ball.

Solo could create a shot.

Using your definition, I will grant that he cannot. However, he usually will have the combination of height and quickness to get off his shot against whomever is covering him.

He is the best talent we have had in my time here.

He will learn to put the ball on the floor. When we force the other team to put a big on him the shot fake and drive are going to be his friend. Right now, we have to run our stuff and produce touches in his scoring positions.

Unless you get a rebound and shoot or a loose ball and shoot, somebody else is always giving you the ball. A player coming off a screen for an open shot is not creating a shot. PG passes to a player and then the PG sets a screen for that player who comes off the screen and shoots. That is not a created shot, yet he got the ball from the PG. A player creates a shot when he has the ball, is well defended and, all by himself, creates space for an open shot. Doesn't matter where he is on the floor. A player dribbles past his defender for a layup, created shot. Next possession he puts the ball on the floor and drops his shoulder, the defender bites on the fake move to the basket and the offensive player pops a jumper, created shot. A post player can be on the blocks with his back to the basket and the defender is right on his back. PG gives him the ball and the post player fakes a spin to the left, feels the defender bite, then spins to the right for an open shot, created shot. Now if you have your back to the basket and the defender is on your right shoulder and you get a nice pass to your left and you spin left with the ball for an open shot, not a created shot. That's why they have assists. The person making the pass actually created the shot. He gets an assist. Solo was very good creating shots. Stevie Moore was not only good at creating shots, he was good at making the ref think he was fouled. He hardly ever took a shot where he didn't initiate some sort of contact that made the ref think he was fouled.

So by that definition he can create his own shot, can't he? I saw him take the ball low in the post and with a few shot fakes get off a shot, and make them too.

No, he can't create a shot, imo. He can't put the ball on the floor. With his jumper and a shot fake, he will get chances to drive but has not shown his ability to do this yet.

When he does, that will be the separation from every other player in the sbc except a couple. I think the kid is hurt and it will be next year before we see that part of his game.

The combo of javes, leeper, and wn will be tough. Throw in guy and a pg and that is a strong starting 5.

(02-13-2012 10:31 PM)ez272 Wrote:  Unless you get a rebound and shoot or a loose ball and shoot, somebody else is always giving you the ball. A player coming off a screen for an open shot is not creating a shot. PG passes to a player and then the PG sets a screen for that player who comes off the screen and shoots. That is not a created shot, yet he got the ball from the PG. A player creates a shot when he has the ball, is well defended and, all by himself, creates space for an open shot. Doesn't matter where he is on the floor. A player dribbles past his defender for a layup, created shot. Next possession he puts the ball on the floor and drops his shoulder, the defender bites on the fake move to the basket and the offensive player pops a jumper, created shot. A post player can be on the blocks with his back to the basket and the defender is right on his back. PG gives him the ball and the post player fakes a spin to the left, feels the defender bite, then spins to the right for an open shot, created shot. Now if you have your back to the basket and the defender is on your right shoulder and you get a nice pass to your left and you spin left with the ball for an open shot, not a created shot. That's why they have assists. The person making the pass actually created the shot. He gets an assist. Solo was very good creating shots. Stevie Moore was not only good at creating shots, he was good at making the ref think he was fouled. He hardly ever took a shot where he didn't initiate some sort of contact that made the ref think he was fouled.

Very good explanation. Will doesn't create his own shot at this time. It takes quickness to do that, and he doesn't have that quickness. Doesn't mean he can't be a great player. It's up to other players to get him the ball on time when he can get a good shot off. Larry Bird had no quickness either, but he was one of the all time greats. Had great court awareness and anticipation, and Will has some of those attributes. He'll be great for us when and if he ever gets and stays completely healthy.

(02-14-2012 10:37 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 10:31 PM)ez272 Wrote:  Unless you get a rebound and shoot or a loose ball and shoot, somebody else is always giving you the ball. A player coming off a screen for an open shot is not creating a shot. PG passes to a player and then the PG sets a screen for that player who comes off the screen and shoots. That is not a created shot, yet he got the ball from the PG. A player creates a shot when he has the ball, is well defended and, all by himself, creates space for an open shot. Doesn't matter where he is on the floor. A player dribbles past his defender for a layup, created shot. Next possession he puts the ball on the floor and drops his shoulder, the defender bites on the fake move to the basket and the offensive player pops a jumper, created shot. A post player can be on the blocks with his back to the basket and the defender is right on his back. PG gives him the ball and the post player fakes a spin to the left, feels the defender bite, then spins to the right for an open shot, created shot. Now if you have your back to the basket and the defender is on your right shoulder and you get a nice pass to your left and you spin left with the ball for an open shot, not a created shot. That's why they have assists. The person making the pass actually created the shot. He gets an assist. Solo was very good creating shots. Stevie Moore was not only good at creating shots, he was good at making the ref think he was fouled. He hardly ever took a shot where he didn't initiate some sort of contact that made the ref think he was fouled.

Very good explanation. Will doesn't create his own shot at this time. It takes quickness to do that, and he doesn't have that quickness. Doesn't mean he can't be a great player. It's up to other players to get him the ball on time when he can get a good shot off. Larry Bird had no quickness either, but he was one of the all time greats. Had great court awareness and anticipation, and Will has some of those attributes. He'll be great for us when and if he ever gets and stays completely healthy.

To me, when Will gets the ball in the block and the makes a turn-around, fade-away jumper he has created that shot. I could pass him the ball, but I'm not sure we have ever had anyone who could consistently make that shot.

How good can Will Neighbour be? I guarantee you that is a question opposing coaches will be giving a lot of thought this summer.

I kinda agree with mjs. Can he create off the dribble? No, not yet at least. But I feel like he creates in the post with things like the fade away and head fakes, etc.

(02-14-2012 02:22 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  I kinda agree with mjs. Can he create off the dribble? No, not yet at least. But I feel like he creates in the post with things like the fade away and head fakes, etc.

With his size and shooting ability, he doesn't need to create his shot off the dribble like a little guys does. He has the size and ability to take a defender inside and post him up and score.

And that's why he's not a three guard. The three guard is a guard. He needs to be able to penetrate off the dribble just like the point guard and the two guard. Will doesn't fit that description. He's a four or five. Not to say he can't play out on the floor. Just that he doesn't have the quickness to dribble drive and take it to the rim, or pull up for a short jumper. But he can shoot the three if they can get him open for just a moment. He still hesitates a lot of time and looks to pass inside instead of taking the three point shot. That will change each year he's here. He's still just a sophomore and probably defers to Dre, Courtney, and even Chucky sometimes, even though Chucky is just a Sophomore, he's played a full year in our system prior to this year. Next year he won't be pulling the ball back so many times on possible three point shots. He'll have more freedom and confidence to let it fly.