(02-08-2012 10:53 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:30 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I am telling you guys that Memphis football will surprise you very soon, more potential than many teams that already throwing stones.

Seriously, what is your potential? Where are your quality recruits going to come from?

I have a question. Are you like this all the time, or is this just a bad week? j/k

It doesn't help that we have a bunch of Tiger homers coming here telling us we should be afraid of their "powerhouse" that hasn't lost less than 10 games in three years...

Why is performance in the past five years the yard-stick, all of a sudden? We've had football for 100 years, the worst years of it just happen to be occurring now.

Show me a team that has never in their history had a 1-win season.

It happens if you've played long enough.

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:56 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  one possible indicator of likely marginal value is the reaction of fans of a school to a Big East invitation. If we invite a program and their fans flood this forum celebrating wildly, this strongly suggests that they believe their school will be receiving more money than they contribute.

It also strongly suggests a passionate fan base which is joyous over the fact that after 99 years of a long hard struggle, we finally caught a big break and can now rise above the suppression of local SEC enemies.

Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

(02-11-2012 07:22 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:39 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 11:45 AM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  For all of you posturing, I'm still trying to figure out the USF contribution to the pie.

Memphis fans keep asking what USF contributes when that is not the issue here. USF has been a member of the Big East for 8 years thus we don't have to justify our membership. On the other hand, it is entirely appropriate for existing members to ask what marginal value a new member will add.

And in Memphis's case, i don't see anything.

You don't see anything because your head is up your ignorant ass. I believe Triple A (who is a very legit poster) explained it to you.

This forum has been flooded with insufferable noob Memphis fans. Good grief, if it's so easy to see, then please explain how Memphis is going to add about $10 million per year to the Big East in conference revenue. This space reserved:

Do you actually read what people post? Triple A is a Memphis insider and it is common knowledge that FedEx will be giving $10 million. Memphis is FedEx. This is not counting the Liberty Bowl ($2,000,000 payout) and the a TV market that is dominated by the Univeristy of Memphis (West TN -Memphis, Jackson, Northern Miss, and Eastern Arkansas), a entrance fee to join, and a rabid fanbase who will eat up Big East merchandise. So how does that not add up?

What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:56 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  one possible indicator of likely marginal value is the reaction of fans of a school to a Big East invitation. If we invite a program and their fans flood this forum celebrating wildly, this strongly suggests that they believe their school will be receiving more money than they contribute.

It also strongly suggests a passionate fan base which is joyous over the fact that after 99 years of a long hard struggle, we finally caught a big break and can now rise above the suppression of local SEC enemies.

Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

MEMPHIS is actually a more widely recognized brand than Ole Miss due to their Final Four runs. They have a cred with younger athletes that is not all that unlike UNC.

Nevertheless, other schools with lesser profiles have been emphasizing the SEC affiliation, and Memphis's lack of being able to gain access to the biggest stage in college football... The MNC.

Being able to take that out of their bag of tricks is huge! It allows for the image they created around Tiger basketball to transcend into football.

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:56 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  one possible indicator of likely marginal value is the reaction of fans of a school to a Big East invitation. If we invite a program and their fans flood this forum celebrating wildly, this strongly suggests that they believe their school will be receiving more money than they contribute.

It also strongly suggests a passionate fan base which is joyous over the fact that after 99 years of a long hard struggle, we finally caught a big break and can now rise above the suppression of local SEC enemies.

Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

Well...if you followed Memphis Football over the years (we know, you haven't and never will), you would realize that same scenario has been played out before...even when Memphis was in CUSA.

You might have heard of this guy before:



While Memphis lost more recruiting battles vs the neighbors (Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss St) than they won , they did have some recruiting wins while being a CUSA team...and now that they have the BCS label to recruit...odds are...as other CUSA to Big East teams have proven over the last few years...Memphis, just like those schools, will experience more recruiting "wins" in the future.

One HUGE advantage for Memphis is that recruits from that region of Arkansas, TN, MS and Northern LA, can play BCS Football WITHOUT the need to be stuck in a tiny hogtown for 365 days a year (Fayeteville, Starkville and Oxford), as there is finally a new option to choose from.

(02-12-2012 07:05 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:56 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  It also strongly suggests a passionate fan base which is joyous over the fact that after 99 years of a long hard struggle, we finally caught a big break and can now rise above the suppression of local SEC enemies.

Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

MEMPHIS is actually a more widely recognized brand than Ole Miss due to their Final Four runs. They have a cred with younger athletes that is not all that unlike UNC.

Nevertheless, other schools with lesser profiles have been emphasizing the SEC affiliation, and Memphis's lack of being able to gain access to the biggest stage in college football... The MNC.

Being able to take that out of their bag of tricks is huge! It allows for the image they created around Tiger basketball to transcend into football.

You seriously think Memphis football has even 1/5 the brand recognition of Ole Miss football? Have Big East homers gone insane?

Use your head for a moment. If a kid goes to Ole Miss, they get to play against LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, and Florida. You go to Memphis and play UCF, Rutgers, Houston, and Cincy?

Is that even a remotely close comparison?

(02-12-2012 07:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Use your head for a moment. If a kid goes to Ole Miss, they get to play against LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, and Florida. You go to Memphis and play UCF, Rutgers, Houston, and Cincy?

Is that even a remotely close comparison?

And?

Some kids (which you CONTINUE to ignore) picked Memphis in the past over Ole Miss even when their competition was lowly CUSA teams like USF, Cinci, ECU and UAB.

Your flaming skills are "frozen".

Maybe best to turn off and reset.

(02-12-2012 07:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:56 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  It also strongly suggests a passionate fan base which is joyous over the fact that after 99 years of a long hard struggle, we finally caught a big break and can now rise above the suppression of local SEC enemies.

Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

Well...if you followed Memphis Football over the years (we know, you haven't and never will), you would realize that same scenario has been played out before...even when Memphis was in CUSA.

You might have heard of this guy before:



While Memphis lost more recruiting battles vs the neighbors (Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss St) than they won , they did have some recruiting wins while being a CUSA team...and now that they have the BCS label to recruit...odds are...as other CUSA to Big East teams have proven over the last few years...Memphis, just like those schools, will experience more recruiting "wins" in the future.

One HUGE advantage for Memphis is that recruits from that region of Arkansas, TN, MS and Northern LA, can play BCS Football WITHOUT the need to be stuck in a tiny hogtown for 365 days a year (Fayeteville, Starkville and Oxford), as there is finally a new option to choose from.

Knight, who are these "BCS football teams" Memphis will be playing? UCF, Houston, SMU, Rutgers? Hmmmm... those look suspiciously like CUSA teams, eh?

Do you seriously think a recruit will be fooled? That he will compare that lineup favorably to playing against LSU, Alabama, Florida, etc.? Come on.

(02-12-2012 07:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

Well...if you followed Memphis Football over the years (we know, you haven't and never will), you would realize that same scenario has been played out before...even when Memphis was in CUSA.

You might have heard of this guy before:



While Memphis lost more recruiting battles vs the neighbors (Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss St) than they won , they did have some recruiting wins while being a CUSA team...and now that they have the BCS label to recruit...odds are...as other CUSA to Big East teams have proven over the last few years...Memphis, just like those schools, will experience more recruiting "wins" in the future.

One HUGE advantage for Memphis is that recruits from that region of Arkansas, TN, MS and Northern LA, can play BCS Football WITHOUT the need to be stuck in a tiny hogtown for 365 days a year (Fayeteville, Starkville and Oxford), as there is finally a new option to choose from.

Knight, who are these "BCS football teams" Memphis will be playing? UCF, Houston, SMU, Rutgers? Hmmmm... those look suspiciously like CUSA teams, eh?

Do you seriously think a recruit will be fooled? That he will compare that lineup favorably to playing against LSU, Alabama, Florida, etc.? Come on.

Who's fooling who? Recruits know that Houston and SMU aren't playing in CUSS anymore. Ask Deontay Greenberry. Mr. Greenberry is looking forward to playing in BCS bowls as a Houston Cougar. He chose us over Notre Dame.

(02-12-2012 07:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Do you seriously think Big East membership will help you compete effectively in football with SEC teams? Really?

The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

Well...if you followed Memphis Football over the years (we know, you haven't and never will), you would realize that same scenario has been played out before...even when Memphis was in CUSA.

You might have heard of this guy before:



While Memphis lost more recruiting battles vs the neighbors (Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss St) than they won , they did have some recruiting wins while being a CUSA team...and now that they have the BCS label to recruit...odds are...as other CUSA to Big East teams have proven over the last few years...Memphis, just like those schools, will experience more recruiting "wins" in the future.

One HUGE advantage for Memphis is that recruits from that region of Arkansas, TN, MS and Northern LA, can play BCS Football WITHOUT the need to be stuck in a tiny hogtown for 365 days a year (Fayeteville, Starkville and Oxford), as there is finally a new option to choose from.

Knight, who are these "BCS football teams" Memphis will be playing?

Same ones USF will be playing.

Thought you knew...guess all of your flaming has you confused.

give it a rest quo....

your opinon on "brand" and who is and who is not a name brand, your rants about how weak the new teams coming in are, your constant moaning about how we are losing AQ, etc etc etc are really really really getting old

(02-12-2012 09:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  give it a rest quo....

Give it a rest Bearcats. If, as in this case, you don't have anything useful to contribute to a thread, then just stay out of it.

(02-12-2012 07:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 06:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:40 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote:  The SEC teams in our backyard (Ole Miss & Mississippi State)? Absolutely.

Hard to imagine a top recruit saying to themelves "if Memphis was still in CUSA, i'd go to Ole Miss or Arkansas, but now that they are in the BiG EAST i am going to Memphis!". I guess we will see, but ....

Well...if you followed Memphis Football over the years (we know, you haven't and never will), you would realize that same scenario has been played out before...even when Memphis was in CUSA.

You might have heard of this guy before:



While Memphis lost more recruiting battles vs the neighbors (Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss St) than they won , they did have some recruiting wins while being a CUSA team...and now that they have the BCS label to recruit...odds are...as other CUSA to Big East teams have proven over the last few years...Memphis, just like those schools, will experience more recruiting "wins" in the future.

One HUGE advantage for Memphis is that recruits from that region of Arkansas, TN, MS and Northern LA, can play BCS Football WITHOUT the need to be stuck in a tiny hogtown for 365 days a year (Fayeteville, Starkville and Oxford), as there is finally a new option to choose from.

Knight, who are these "BCS football teams" Memphis will be playing?

Same ones USF will be playing.

Thought you knew...

What makes you think i don't know who USF will be playing? That's not the issue, it's a red herring, a very lame one.

Well, there are few alternatives for the Big East regarding expansion, Steve.

I know that every older member school wants to go elsewhere, but those options don't really exist right now for USF, Rutgers, UConn and maybe Cincinnati.

So, the expansion committee is doing the best job it can with the realistic options available to it. I think that things will work out fine, for the reasons that I and others have posted in this thread.

Otherwise, it may be CUSA, the MAC or independence for USF, Rutgers, UConn and Cincinnati football if the Big East folded.

What other options exist?

(02-12-2012 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

We're trying to figure out what kind of value USF brings. You had a losing record in football and are traditionally a bottom feeder in arguably the best basketball conference in the country.

Look folks....our football futures depends on a legitimate playoff system being implemented granting the Big East an automatic bid. That is all we can ask for and gives a chance like anybody else to win a national championship. I think it happens....8 teams first then 16....which equals college football heaven!

In terms of the new members....its time to get over it. I recall all the snide remarks about USF's worthiness when were admitted in 2005. Memphis fans seems legitimately happy to be joining the Big East which is refreshing after the bitterness from WVU, Pitt and Cuse fans over the last couple years.

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  Look folks....our football futures depends on the a legitimate playoff system being implemented granting the Big East an automatic bid. That is all we can ask for and gives a chance like anybody else to win a national championship.

In terms of the new members....its time to get over it. I recall all the snide remarks about USF's worthiness when were admitted in 2005. Memphis fans seems legitimately happy to be joining the Big East which is refreshing after the bitterness from WVU, Pitt and Cuse fans over the last couple years.

I am only one fan, but I am legitimately happy to be joining the Big East. I can also assure you that there is a reasonably large segment of our fan base that has been fighting for decades to get our football program up to snuff, and it may not take as long as some fear for us to be competitive.

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  We're trying to figure out what kind of value USF brings. You had a losing record in football and are traditionally a bottom feeder in arguably the best basketball conference in the country.

No need to be a jerk....b/c USF's value and potential has been demonstrated many times and it still a very young program that was selected over many more established programs in 2003. Nobody in modern football history has had a better first 15-year run than USF.

Learn to realize that one person's opinion does not represent the entire fanbase....much like some of the crazy anti-Big East ramblings from GrayAvenger over the years didn't represent Memphis. Funny thing about GA is that now that Memphis is part of the Big East we won't find a bigger cheerleader than Avenger. LOL

(02-12-2012 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Well, there are few alternatives for the Big East regarding expansion, Steve.

I know that every older member school wants to go elsewhere, but those options don't really exist right now for USF, Rutgers, UConn and maybe Cincinnati.

So, the expansion committee is doing the best job it can with the realistic options available to it. I think that things will work out fine, for the reasons that I and others have posted in this thread.

Otherwise, it may be CUSA, the MAC or independence for USF, Rutgers, UConn and Cincinnati football if the Big East folded.

What other options exist?

Terry, as i said, i would expanded back to 8 teams, but no more. Probably UCF, Navy, and ECU as replacements for the three that left.

That would maintained our "East" character and would have given us the best chance to maximize our football TV revenue per school.

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.