(02-09-2012 03:09 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  As complimentary of the SBC as I have been, they've made the mistake of getting big w/ members of varying participation. They need to negotiate w/ MWC to take Denver (which shouldn't be too bad). UALR and USA are problems for their future growth.

Isn't the WAC taking Denver - along with Seattle?

(02-09-2012 03:09 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 01:56 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  A few quick points:

-ECU's AD says that they've never had more than 400 visiting fans from an opponent in CUSA. This includes the vaunted traveling fan base of Marshall.

-He says he wants to take the Pirate football stadium up to 60,000 seats but that is nearly impossible to do playing a Crap USA home schedule.

-He would love to get ECU into the SEC and even talked to the Big XII about pairing with West Virginia but thinks Louisville will end up with that spot.

-The Big East is now more geographically challenging than the conference ECU is now in, as strange as it may seem. He likes the idea of the merger and playing in one solid division of schools rather than rotating divisional opponents to build rivalries.

-He thinks the merger will still end up 20 or 24 teams, maybe beyond. He likes the idea of adding more schools that play in the Eastern Timezone.

http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/...x?PID=1773

Any institution that joins a 24 team merger (they are talking a whole conference at this point) needs to take their AD and president behind the woodshed and beat some sense into them.

24 teams is an insane number of hoops squads and a Bat$h!t crazy number of teams for football teams.

CUSA needs to do the smart thing and raid the WAC (so as not to piss off the MWC) and then maybe set up a scheduling agreement with the MWC to strengthen their profile.

Agreed, 24 teams is a mess.

ECU, Marshall and UAB ought to approach the SBC for membership, w/ this proposition:

ECU gets to host the conf football championship game for some minimum number of years...UAB hosts the men's basketball championship for some minimum number of years.

As complimentary of the SBC as I have been, they've made the mistake of getting big w/ members of varying participation. They need to negotiate w/ MWC to take Denver (which shouldn't be too bad). UALR and USA are problems for their future growth.

Do you read the crap you spew? That makes zero sense and will never ever happen. If you're going to talk about this realignment stuff at least go by what is actually being reported by journalists, national outlets and being discussed by MWC and CUSA presidents and AD's. Not these dream scenerios where Marshall ends up in a conference beneath the MAC and you cream yourself.

(02-09-2012 03:10 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  LOL. I know it sucks being on the outside looking in when it comes to this conference realignment stuff. The Big East doesn't want us and nobody wants Bowling Green.

Really? The MAC seems satisfied w/ BG. But it's not just the BE that doesn't want Marshall...nobody does.

(02-09-2012 03:12 PM)nert Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:09 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  As complimentary of the SBC as I have been, they've made the mistake of getting big w/ members of varying participation. They need to negotiate w/ MWC to take Denver (which shouldn't be too bad). UALR and USA are problems for their future growth.

Isn't the WAC taking Denver - along with Seattle?

Yes, but don't tell Torch that. He's on a roll..


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6661939

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5789078

I don't see ECU, Marshall et al joining the SunBelt - though they may steal teams from the SunBelt to try and form their own conference east of the Mississippi - or just use them to plug spots in what's left of C-USA.

(02-09-2012 03:13 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:10 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  LOL. I know it sucks being on the outside looking in when it comes to this conference realignment stuff. The Big East doesn't want us and nobody wants Bowling Green.

Really? The MAC seems satisfied w/ BG. But it's not just the BE that doesn't want Marshall...nobody does.

I guess that's why the MAC wanted us when we were I-AA. Then C-USA wanted us when we were in the MAC. And now we'll be joining a merged conference from sea to shining sea.

(02-09-2012 03:13 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Do you read the crap you spew? That makes zero sense and will never ever happen. If you're going to talk about this realignment stuff at least go by what is actually being reported by journalists, national outlets and being discussed by MWC and CUSA presidents and AD's.

Did I make you angry son?

Boy, don't come to my board and tell me what to write.

(02-09-2012 03:12 PM)nert Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:09 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  As complimentary of the SBC as I have been, they've made the mistake of getting big w/ members of varying participation. They need to negotiate w/ MWC to take Denver (which shouldn't be too bad). UALR and USA are problems for their future growth.

Isn't the WAC taking Denver - along with Seattle?

That's good for all of them.

(02-09-2012 03:15 PM)nert Wrote:  I don't see ECU, Marshall et al joining the SunBelt - though they may steal teams from the SunBelt to try and form their own conference east of the Mississippi - or just use them to plug spots in what's left of C-USA.

I'm not sure too many jump from SBC to C-DOA. Maybe UNT, but the others probably realize that it's a sinking ship.

I mean you're probably right, but it doesn't mean it's a good plan. I understand that CUSA thinks it's better than the SBC...but it's not.

Each school should look at a conference as to how it can be leveraged for its own good and the greater good. SBC has already shown its top programs can compete w/ CUSA. It's shown that a regional, stable conference is good for all involved.

All three get good competition, and likely bowl opportunities, while the conference as a whole continues to improve.

Adding ECU provides a new state, w/ a large alumni and fan base. What they would get is a conf championship game to occupy their large stadium, and good competition w/ similar regional universities.

UAB has a fairly young football team, and can start a rivalry w/ Troy.

Marshall gets its southern conference, w/ much better geography: WKU and MTSU in particular, where it can extend its recruiting for bball and fball.

Both the SBC and CUSA maps get cosolidated, reducing travel costs while still adding new states. No more road trips to Tulsa or El Paso.

(02-09-2012 03:17 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:13 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:10 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  LOL. I know it sucks being on the outside looking in when it comes to this conference realignment stuff. The Big East doesn't want us and nobody wants Bowling Green.

Really? The MAC seems satisfied w/ BG. But it's not just the BE that doesn't want Marshall...nobody does.

I guess that's why the MAC wanted us when we were I-AA. Then C-USA wanted us when we were in the MAC. And now we'll be joining a merged conference from sea to shining sea.

Every small and non market from the Atlantic to the Pacific! Its travel-tastic!

(02-09-2012 03:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:17 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:13 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:10 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  LOL. I know it sucks being on the outside looking in when it comes to this conference realignment stuff. The Big East doesn't want us and nobody wants Bowling Green.

Really? The MAC seems satisfied w/ BG. But it's not just the BE that doesn't want Marshall...nobody does.

I guess that's why the MAC wanted us when we were I-AA. Then C-USA wanted us when we were in the MAC. And now we'll be joining a merged conference from sea to shining sea.

Every small and non market from the Atlantic to the Pacific! Its travel-tastic!

Great, first IGA, now we have the A&P conference.

(02-09-2012 03:17 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  [quote='MUsince96' pid='7532986' dateline='1328818393']Do you read the crap you spew? That makes zero sense and will never ever happen. If you're going to talk about this realignment stuff at least go by what is actually being reported by journalists, national outlets and being discussed by MWC and CUSA presidents and AD's.

Did I make you angry son?

Boy, don't come to my board and tell me what to write.

'Son' & 'Boy' in the same post.



Torch is a badass.

You're all arguing over which deck chairs are on what side of the Titanic. Don't get too worked up. We're all on the outside looking in.

I hate to say it, but a C-USA/MWC merger is a step closer to one big conference, subdivision for the DI FBS schools that are currently considered non-AQ. This is actually the kind of thing that the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big East, and PAC 12 (did I miss any?) want to see as it falls into their ultimate plan of being considered a subdivision higher than the rest of the FBS schools. They'll create some sort of 4 team playoff for a national champion and we'll all be stuck with nothing but our own ****** subdivision. Keep it up C-USA and MWC, you're making it too easy for the AQ conferences.

I have a feeling that in the end, the teams that did not get into the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, and probably Big East will be playing and recruiting with FCS teams in about 5-10 years. I'm going to enjoy our last couple years of FBS while I can I guess.

(02-09-2012 11:25 PM)Beckman4President Wrote:  I have a feeling that in the end, the teams that did not get into the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, and probably Big East will be playing and recruiting with FCS teams in about 5-10 years. I'm going to enjoy our last couple years of FBS while I can I guess.

(02-09-2012 11:07 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  I hate to say it, but a C-USA/MWC merger is a step closer to one big conference, subdivision for the DI FBS schools that are currently considered non-AQ. This is actually the kind of thing that the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big East, and PAC 12 (did I miss any?) want to see as it falls into their ultimate plan of being considered a subdivision higher than the rest of the FBS schools. They'll create some sort of 4 team playoff for a national champion and we'll all be stuck with nothing but our own ****** subdivision. Keep it up C-USA and MWC, you're making it too easy for the AQ conferences.

I'm pretty sure when I said this, people said I was an idiot.

I think you're right, except I think it will be an 8-team playoff for national champion.

(02-09-2012 11:25 PM)Beckman4President Wrote:  I have a feeling that in the end, the teams that did not get into the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, and probably Big East will be playing and recruiting with FCS teams in about 5-10 years. I'm going to enjoy our last couple years of FBS while I can I guess.

There is a good chance that you are right, but I really doubt the Big East will be in there.

(02-10-2012 08:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 11:25 PM)Beckman4President Wrote:  I have a feeling that in the end, the teams that did not get into the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, and probably Big East will be playing and recruiting with FCS teams in about 5-10 years. I'm going to enjoy our last couple years of FBS while I can I guess.

(02-09-2012 11:07 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  I hate to say it, but a C-USA/MWC merger is a step closer to one big conference, subdivision for the DI FBS schools that are currently considered non-AQ. This is actually the kind of thing that the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big East, and PAC 12 (did I miss any?) want to see as it falls into their ultimate plan of being considered a subdivision higher than the rest of the FBS schools. They'll create some sort of 4 team playoff for a national champion and we'll all be stuck with nothing but our own ****** subdivision. Keep it up C-USA and MWC, you're making it too easy for the AQ conferences.

I'm pretty sure when I said this, people said I was an idiot.

I think you're right, except I think it will be an 8-team playoff for national champion.

I originally didn't think the mid-major schools were stupid enough to play into the AQ schools' hands. I was wrong.

If this "alliance" goes through, does it also consolidate the current two votes (MWC, CUSA) into one?

That plays into the hands of the "AQ" schools as well.

(02-10-2012 12:46 PM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  If this "alliance" goes through, does it also consolidate the current two votes (MWC, CUSA) into one?

That plays into the hands of the "AQ" schools as well.

Based on quotes from conference presidents it looks as though AQ will be eliminated come 2013. Which makes it kind of dumb for Boise, SDSU, UCF, Houston, SMU & Memphis to join the BE if there is no more AQ.